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29 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
I'm fed up with people keep saying the rich should pay more, just jealousy if you ask me.

i am amazed as to how there are these so called poor peeple out there?
Prepare to be astounded bemused befuddled and dare I say it staggered .... from just one page ago ... the net used has a very large mesh many many people fall through .... I believe I hinted quite strongly at this not so long ago
if you have been following this thred browning, can you answer any of the questions i have asked regarding peeple on low wages being entitled to tax credits, and why this is never mentioned on here?
If you'd been following this thread starlight I think you might find that they had
the government is talking about a maximum amount of 26 grand a yeer. how much is it at the moment if the amounts are higher than this?

28 Jan 2012

Quote by Max777

This may well be true in the short term ... but once those yachts and mansions are bought??... when these limited revenue streams are exhausted what's left ??? all those expensive designer clothes...from Paris and Milan ?? those holidays in the sun??? not in this country,Fine wines and spirits ,from France .... sounds like good news for our continental friends.

Pleased to see that you are in agreement that a sales tax instead of income tax wouldn't work.
I do agree Max .... I'm in two minds about a variable rate sales tax though (I know nobody mentioned it ,just thought I'd throw it into the mix lol

lol

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You mean one where you would have to produce your P60 to the shop assistant in order that she could ascertain which button to press on the till?
Well you could go that way .... I was thinking more based on the value of the goods ....I know double edged sword prices the poor out of some markets, but it was just a thought

28 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Not everyone on low wages gets tax credits,not everyone on low wages has children,why is it up to the nation to support those employers who will not pay their employees a living wage ??

:thumbup: i like the scaremongering tactic mr staggers, highly not recommend :thumbup:Scaremongering ???
you see that is why i asked if you wanted the link :doh:
you look up who is entitled to working tax credits. er i think peeple who are working on low wages :doh:. also peeple would obviusly get more money if they had children, and of course you are correct that not everyone on low wages has children, but they still get working tax credits.
Really ?? .... Gosh I must re-apply After all I'm in receipt of much less than the average wage I must be eligible
i know it is very difficult for someone like yourself who has this perfect ideology of what society should be like, but had you ever ( well everyone else has )thought that an employer just cannot pay anymore than the minimum wage? had you also at anytime thought about the fact that every employer who genuinely can only pay that low wage to pay anymore would force them out of business? then what? no business owner paying tax, and then no employee being paid. what circle of madness would that lead us into?
I had actually. It's nice to see you supporting the payment of benefits...makes a pleasant change
stop looking at every employer being a scrooge and look at it with the same eyes that i have ( open ones ) and look at the consequences of higher wages from employers. not every employer is a money grabbing arsehole. maybe your past and present employers are, which is why you look at things this way dunno

dunno

Actually you'll be surprised to learn that I have a very good relationship with my current employer..and that any problems I may or may not have had in previous jobs haven't (on the whole) been with my employer
there are many fantastic employers who pay low wages simply because that is all they can afford, and the other option is to just not employ anyone :notes::notes:
Yes and there are those who exploit the system in order to pay lower wages...have you never seen the adverts ?? you know those that advertise a certain wage with the addendum that this can be increased with tax credits .. I have. Either way not an ideal state of affairs eh?

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
as you say it's a good idea to look at the whole picture

maybe to practise what one preaches might be a jolly good starting point in debate :dunno:

28 Jan 2012

Quote by Max777

This may well be true in the short term ... but once those yachts and mansions are bought??... when these limited revenue streams are exhausted what's left ??? all those expensive designer clothes...from Paris and Milan ?? those holidays in the sun??? not in this country,Fine wines and spirits ,from France .... sounds like good news for our continental friends.

Pleased to see that you are in agreement that a sales tax instead of income tax wouldn't work.
I do agree Max .... I'm in two minds about a variable rate sales tax though (I know nobody mentioned it ,just thought I'd throw it into the mix lol

lol

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28 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
I'm not averse to using the word cunt .... it is a joyously transgressive word long may it remain

unless it is the pope eh? flipa

flipa

rotflmao

bolt

Oh dear ... how embarrassing for you

28 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
whatever your day job is, keep doing it.
some peeple are not happy even with a minimum wage introduced to help protect the low wage earners out there.
as i have pointed out already and did not get an answer to previusly, these " peeple " that are on low paid work also get tax credits or childrens tax credits, and in most cases BOTH. it is an additional amount of money on top of the wages of a low earner.
this applies to anyone who earns as a household up to 43 thousand pounds a year. why do peeple such as yourself always fail to mention the additional monies peeple get who are on low wages?
you need to find out how much extra a family household on say a year gets who have two children as well. i think even you would be amazed as to the extra amount. i would tell you myself but will let you do a search and see how good you are with google. when using figures to calculate someones earnings it is always best to give the whole story, and not just bits of that story. it makes no sense otherwise :thumbup:
would you like the link that i supplied ben with who also failed to mention the working tax credits a person would get who is on a low wage :

Not everyone on low wages gets tax credits,not everyone on low wages has children,why is it up to the nation to support those employers who will not pay their employees a living wage ?? as you say it's a good idea to look at the whole picture

28 Jan 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
I don't fight Bluefish...I'm a lover not a fighter
But I'll exchange a bit of banter now and then if the opponent is worthy of such...
I did notice how quickly the banter became personal...with suggestions of having to seek help due to alleged mental impairment, lol.
If that's the best that ones opponents can come up with then, the worthiness of any retort is sadly lost.
I shall continue to sit up this here hill and survey my land below and the fluffy bunnies in the
field...

Oh damn and there was me hoping a little light hearted ribbing would draw you out
So to those fallacious assumptions......

Quote by Rogue_trader
So the harder you work the more you earn....

you mention in a later post that you believe the majority of people to be on some kind of incentivised pay....I would dearly love to see your evidence for this.... a large proportion of working people in this country are in low paid (often part time ) jobs their only incentive being that if they don't work they don't get related pay and bonuses are (on the whole) the preserve of certain professions,and even then for the most part only for those above a certain level

Quote by Rogue_trader
the ones who earn the most spend the most thereby keeping people employed!

This may well be true in the short term ... but once those yachts and mansions are bought??... when these limited revenue streams are exhausted what's left ??? all those expensive designer clothes...from Paris and Milan ?? those holidays in the sun??? not in this country,Fine wines and spirits ,from France .... sounds like good news for our continental friends.

Quote by Rogue_trader
The country would be better off and you (Joe public) wouldn't get unfairly penalized for being a high earner!

Nobody is 'punished' for being a high earner ,either unfairly or otherwise

Quote by Rogue_trader
In fact it would attract more businessmen to the ...creating more jobs and more wealth....everyone ones a winner baby!!

I doubt we'd tempt many from the Caymans,and of those few I suspect most would be taking advantage of any left over loopholes in our tax not many and those in the fields of banking and accounting ... something I think we've got more than enough of already.... soooo only a small number of winners and those pissing down the backs of hard working ordinary average earners ..... loving your vision of a fairer society ... keep up the good work,we'll have a revolution before you can say 'more champers vassal'

27 Jan 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
:shakes head more in sorrow than anger:
Can I humbly suggest that you climb down from your ivory tower and visit the real world for a short time....this post is riddled with erroneous assumptions

nope, the views great baby!
That's 'view's' B.T.W. ..... I seem to remember that a symptom of altitude sickness is impairment of mental function .... you should, perhaps, seek help

27 Jan 2012

Quote by skinny
ffs.....anything they can all float away on has got to be good.

I'll just add,and I mean this in a totally non possessive way ..... mine

27 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
"It really is alarming to see the amount of envy the royals invoke in some people"
i have read that somewhere in a daily the other day, and how right that is to.:notes:

It's not envy it's righteous indignation

27 Jan 2012

I'm not averse to using the word cunt .... it is a joyously transgressive word long may it remain

27 Jan 2012

Right... sit down... remain calm
Perhaps....just perhaps you understand,the answer is not for government to tinker round the edges,changing a rule here and there....perhaps the answer is to develop a housing policy.... perhaps if just for the time being they decide not to render people poorer and homeless,they could accept the status quo for as long as it takes to build some more social housing ..... I know a stupid unworkable idea.... forget I mentioned it .... I mean joined up thinking from politicians it's a pipe dream ...

27 Jan 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
the policies are non sensical at best and down right stupid.
I would like to see the tax changes done in different bands, say 10k at a time. Starting at 25% then DROPPING by 10% each threshold you attain. So the harder you work the more you earn....
Think about it before I get shot down....the ones who earn the most spend the most thereby keeping people employed!
The country would be better off and you (Joe public) wouldn't get unfairly penalized for being a high earner!
In fact it would attract more businessmen to the ...creating more jobs and more wealth....everyone ones a winner baby!!
Now vote for me instead of that idiot clegg!

:shakes head more in sorrow than anger:
Can I humbly suggest that you climb down from your ivory tower and visit the real world for a short time....this post is riddled with erroneous assumptions

25 Jan 2012

i Have too argree incorrectly grammatical sentences and the lack off punctuation awe won of the greatest problems facing the werld twoday personally outy and shoot i would take them

25 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
Whilst I am sure too-hots remark was a barbed jibe, as used by many passionate orators when putting their point across. The fact that that you proceed to pull that one point apart and prove it to the point of absurdity surely negates your own signature regarding political correctness?
You are going to great lengths to be prove someone to be un-pc so as to disprove their argument. But it doesn't matter as the current evidence alleges
in this instance the captain acted cowardly and therefore the argument stands.

are you saying then that we shouldn't venture on anything with an Italian in charge
i would also point out self preservation is one of humans strongest instincts and not exclusive to Italian's
and my point was to highlight others willingness and speed to point out the aup to others when even a barbed jibe could fall fowl of the aup, but somehow also have the arrogance to believe they are above such rules
im also sure that others on here of italian decent could and some probably do find the remarks offencive but hey they dont count do they ?????
you might wanna google sterotype but comming from devon i would imagine you sit around all day drinking cider eating clotted cream and singing along to the wurzles greatest hits
My wife has rode a few Italians without any problem lol

lol

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Did any of them offer her a cabinet post ???

25 Jan 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
At the end of every money trail Rob is someone making something .... I for instance print £10 notes in the kitchen

then i would suggest you print £50's and join the capitalists
Rob that kind of social descent could ruin my reputation

25 Jan 2012

Dials...phone rings once and is picked up....
"hello Acme glaziers here"
Come quick there's an emergency.....you'll be millionaires"

25 Jan 2012

At the end of every money trail Rob is someone making something .... I for instance print £10 notes in the kitchen

24 Jan 2012

What joy .... all of the millions of links pertaining to Marx and you choose character assassination before engaging the ideas and beliefs .... what a shock

24 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

Now both you and Blue amongst others are/have asserted that the public would not be paying for any putative yacht ....

"There are scarce public resources. Therefore we do not think it would be appropriate to use public money at this time."
(snip)
Now, agreed we only have there word on this, but even so if a little public money went in, what would that hurt?
I really am surprised by the envy this idea seams to create dunno

dunno

My point is Blue .... The money will have to come from somewhere,we are being told it wont come from taxes,fine.
Where will this money come from ??? There has been the suggestion it would be from subscription/donation from "wealthy individuals",where does their money come from ?? ... the public,follow the trail back their money comes from you and will they cover the cost of these donations they're making ?? The price of whatever commodity or service they sell will be used to cover the cost ..... who will be paying for the yacht?? the public
And most importantly of all what will they get in return ????

24 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

Try that half full glass instead

Blue it is a basic law that unless in a vacuum all glasses are always full ..... not necessarily with liquid
That's the spirit :thumbup:
My preference would be for a good malt

24 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
It really is alarming to see the amount of envy benefits invoke in some people

I do not imagine the Lib Dem leader, Deputy Prime Minister Mr Clegg is envious of the benefits, yet he see's this as fair. I for sure do not envy them, if I did I would give up working and join them.
There may be some who are envious, but I suspect most see it more about fairness rather than envy
If you have a system where you can earn more in benefits than many who are working, and earning the national average, then that to me is crazy situation.
Oh but Blue I have been so often told that mine are the politics of envy .... even a cursory glance at this thread would suggest that there are some people in here that are in for a very expensive glazing bill
So here's a suggestion ..... perhaps the problem is that the average wage is too low,not that benefits are too high,got any ideas about how that situation could be rectified ??? I have

24 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
Try that half full glass instead

Blue it is a basic law that unless in a vacuum all glasses are always full ..... not necessarily with liquid

24 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

No you see it is my opinion and reasonable speculation ... I assume you have concrete evidence to the contrary

i think it was you that made unfounded opinions on who is going to pay for it.how can i prove other wise when the thing has not even been built yet. you made the statement so is up to you to back those claims up with facts.:doh:
Now that word in bold .... you do know what it means don't you
See that bit in Red .... now both you and Blue amongst others are/have asserted that the public would not be paying for any putative yacht .... Sooooooooo either you've changed your mind or you were indulging in a little of that bit in bold

Quote by starlightcouple
I would rather go to work and avoid what I assume will be all the attendant bullshit involved with the 'celebrations' but as my workplace will be closed that wont be an option

well thats a shame then :notes: i bet you would have loved to have gone into work on a bank holiday eh wink

wink

You're right of course ... I would love to work on bank holiday, time and a half and a days holiday to take when I wanted ... do you think you could persuade my boss to open that day.

Quote by starlightcouple
tell you what then. seeng as you are usually up for helping others, what about contacting a local charity in your area to help others less fortunate than yourself on that day? you are already getting paid you say and do not want to get involved with the bullshit of the " celebrations ". well you wont have to now. i am sure there are many places who would welcome your help on this day ( voluntarily of course ) seeing as you are already getting paid. give me your area and i will make a few enquiries for you :thumbup:
for the record. no i will not be donating a days pay. i wil be spending that days money on going up to london ( the greatest city on earth ) to see the boats on the thames. as bluefish said in another thred about assuming being the mother of all feck ups. some peeple do a lot of assuming in life, and others just get on with it :jagsatwork:

If you can find me a charity that wont be hosting a celebration I'll be more than happy to donate my time ... I think you may struggle
Nice of you to suggest that I should donate money that you're not prepared to
Now what's that H word innocent

innocent

:whistling::notes:

24 Jan 2012

It isn't a matter of her age .... it's the fact that in the links pictures and others in the press today she simply doesn't look comfortable in the clothes she's wearing

24 Jan 2012

It really is alarming to see the amount of envy benefits invoke in some people

23 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
The government would "react favourably" to the Future Ship Project which aims to build a royal yacht for hosting royal events.
The BBC understands David Cameron has given his "full support" to the plan.
Education Secretary Michael Gove had expressed his support for a new yacht as a potential gift to the Queen from the nation to mark her Diamond Jubilee.
But he was criticised for suggesting public money could be spent on it.
The Future Ship Project for the 21st Century (FSP21) involves building a ship 600ft long, to be used for trade and business events, as well as a training ship for 200 young people.

Hope this helps

Can you perhaps understand why I may be a little sceptical when it comes to this governments 'pledges' on educational matters

23 Jan 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

And do you really honestly think that it wouldn't end up being funded by us in one way or another ??

i will wait with bated breath your evidence of this please.
not your opinion but a fact this will happen.

No you see it is my opinion and reasonable speculation ... I assume you have concrete evidence to the contrary

Quote by starlightcouple
i think our queen deserves a bit more than a gold watch.

Why ??

Quote by starlightcouple
i presume that you will take this day off with pay as a bank holiday? i would hope that you would donate that money to a much better cause?

I suspect I will have no option but to take the day as holiday ... I would rather go to work and avoid what I assume will be all the attendant bullshit involved with the 'celebrations' but as my workplace will be closed that wont be an option .... why would I be donating this particular days holiday pay?? it wont be an extra day just one I'm having enforced upon me,I assume from this that you will be donating your days pay to what you consider a good cause ?? can we see the receipt please ??

23 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

limiting the assistance available to them may well in many cases mean they can no longer afford their homes.

If removing benefits means you can not afford where you live, then you should not be living their.
Only those that have fallen upon harder times, as Mids mentions above, in my view should be given any leeway
I can only assume that you have the figures to hand that show that this would only occur in a small minority of cases
And if removing benefits means you can no longer afford your home,then millions of people from the Queen and the Prime Minister to many of the inhabitants of the estate I live on would be seeking alternative accommodation
I shall also assume you've ignored my questions because the answers do not serve your argument.

23 Jan 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
If she wants a boat let her buy her own

can you show me anywhere at all where she has said she wants a boat?
i am sure that if she wanted one that badly she could indeed afford her own boat. it is merely a way of showing the coutries gratitude for 60 years of service to it, call it a royal gold watch.:thumbup:

So what's wrong with a gold watch ??? Why in these times of austerity (we're all in this together remember) spend 60 million when 60 quid would do .... it's the thought that counts after all
As long as it does not come out of taxes, then what problem is there, think of the employment this would create
And do you really honestly think that it wouldn't end up being funded by us in one way or another ??
How do you think these 'subscriptions' will come about ?? Do you honestly think business and private wealthy individuals will not pass on the cost to their consumers ??
I have absolutely no problem with the British ship building industry gaining commissions and increasing it's workforce and I have absolutely no belief that any privately funded royal yacht would be built in this country