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Quote by foxylady2209
Will you lot not get it???????
It doesn't matter a pile of shit of a union destroyed a government or a government destroyed a union - between them they destroyed a whole fucking industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!
//storms off to watch the BAFTAs
I do understand your point .... it is wrong
The demonization of the unions is in large part the reason why so much of our workforce is unrepresented today ... it plays no small role in the decline of working class voting,it has a part in the ghettoisation of many and the decline in many communities .... in short it does matter
Quote by starlightcouple
i think mr scargill through his own demons did the job perfectly well on his own mr staggers, with very little help from thatcher.
did the NUM with a small number of militants bring down a government that was democraticaly elected by millions?
i think you will find that instead of blaming just one person in thatcher for the unions demise, look closer to home with the leedership of that union.
after just looking on google he is as deluded today as he was all those yeers ago.
yaay for democracy and the downfall of a union that thought it could control everything with threats. :thumbup: thatcher had the biggest balls and the stomach for a reel fight mr staggers, and that my friend is what history tells us of a once great and powerful union, destroyed by a few.:notes:
the bit about the socialist labour party is frightening that a man with such views was once in charge of possibly the most powerful union in british history. no wonder he decimated it.
I can understand how ,if taken as a single case,the downfall of the miners could (by the hard of understanding)lead to this miners are not an isolated case..the steel industry,shipbuilding,the motor industry ,textiles,etc. etc. etc. the destruction of all of these industries has one person at the centre.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I agree to a point. I however apportion most blame to the unions who were out of control and had to be rained in by some one. They were attacking Government under the guise of protecting workers and that was a lie.
And where are these industries now the threat of the unions has been removed ??? on their fucking knees if they still exist ....bravo Mrs T. an absolute triumph
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Quote by starlightcouple
the fact still remains.
the NUM brought down a tory government, that is how powerful they had next tory governemnt under thatcher made sure the unions would pay dearly for it. they did. she finsihed the NUM once and for all.
they fell under her spell just as the printers did at wapping with murdoch.
lured into a huge sucker punch. class a politics. she won and they lost, sad but very true, and to this day they have never recovered.
the NUM has how many members today? and scargill? from what i reed. a broken man still clinging on.
that is the only fact that anyone in 2012 needs to know reely.:notes:
So what you're saying is that it is perfectly acceptable for a small number of people with a grudge to render thousands jobless, to decimate a countries industry,and squander it's future in order to exact a petty revenge on a union ..... yaay for democracy
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Never reply to texts,e-mails, phone calls .... anything that doesn't require technology sod it
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Quote by foxylady2209
And yet the fact remains that Scargill didn't start the strike
the fact remains that we are dependant on other countries for our fuel supplies
the fact remains that it was the Thatcher government who reneged on existing agreements
the fact remains we have a fraction of the manufacturing industry we had in '79
the fact remains that we are a one legged economy
the fact remains that the unbalanced nature of our economy leaves us vulnerable to even the smallest of obstacles
the fact remains that Thatchers myopic contempt for the working classes has left us the one legged man in that arse kicking competition I mentioned earlier
Negotiation is not a climb down, it isn't now and wasn't then,had the old bitch not been so busy trying to prove she had bigger bollocks than any man in government we might still have a healthy manufacturing base to our economy
I believe what she done was to put Government back in charge of the country, just like it is supposed to be, not unions, and rightly so.
And you are happy with the result?
What she said
Oh and it's the people not the government who supposed to be in charge .... they are supposed to be our servants not us theirs
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And yet the fact remains that Scargill didn't start the strike
the fact remains that we are dependant on other countries for our fuel supplies
the fact remains that it was the Thatcher government who reneged on existing agreements
the fact remains we have a fraction of the manufacturing industry we had in '79
the fact remains that we are a one legged economy
the fact remains that the unbalanced nature of our economy leaves us vulnerable to even the smallest of obstacles
the fact remains that Thatchers myopic contempt for the working classes has left us the one legged man in that arse kicking competition I mentioned earlier
Negotiation is not a climb down, it isn't now and wasn't then,had the old bitch not been so busy trying to prove she had bigger bollocks than any man in government we might still have a healthy manufacturing base to our economy
the fact remains that we are dependant on other countries for our fuel supplies
the fact remains that it was the Thatcher government who reneged on existing agreements
the fact remains we have a fraction of the manufacturing industry we had in '79
the fact remains that we are a one legged economy
the fact remains that the unbalanced nature of our economy leaves us vulnerable to even the smallest of obstacles
the fact remains that Thatchers myopic contempt for the working classes has left us the one legged man in that arse kicking competition I mentioned earlier
Negotiation is not a climb down, it isn't now and wasn't then,had the old bitch not been so busy trying to prove she had bigger bollocks than any man in government we might still have a healthy manufacturing base to our economy
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Quote by starlightcouple
The pits were not economically viable. Coal was available from other sources, cheaper than we could get it out of the ground. Simple as that!
yes that is correct bluefish. some would say that some pits were indeed making money, but there is no way that the NUM with scargill at the helm was ever going to admit that one. they or should i say he ( scargill ), wanted NO pits to close and no loss of jobs EVER. with attitudes like that is it any wonder the NUM went downhill fast once the strikes were over. and there membership numbers are now?
let others have there own way with things bluefish, but the facts of how mr scargill destroyed the miners through his own desperation to defeat thatcher is there for all to see. he took his glass eye off the ball and thatcher won. it reely is as simple as that.
losing a fight in any circumstances can leeve many peeple with a nasty taste in there mouths for many a yeer.:notes:
No Blue not correct it wasn't that simple...things never are ...
There was a timetable in place agreed with the N.U.M. for pit closures ffs!!!! this would strongly suggest that they had admitted that some pits were no longer viable ..... try and actually get past your rabid loathing of Scargill to the FACTS ... repeating something does not make it true whatever you may think about Scargill and the miners the strike was FORCED by Thatchers refusal to negotiate on her rejection of an existing agreement.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
The pits were not economically viable. Coal was available from other sources, cheaper than we could get it out of the ground. Simple as that!
The best place for coal is in the ground with its carbon still intact. Now we must work on more planet friendly ways to make our electric
Somepits were not profitable .... the cheaper imports were heavily subsidised by their governments .... most of the non profitable pits required investment not closure
Coal is a valuable asset,new technology allows it to be burnt with minimum environmental impact,it has because of the actions of a certain government been rendered far more expensive to mine than it could have been,leaving us at the mercy of gazprom for our energy supplies....go on admit it she fucked up royally
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Quote by Cubes
Smoking kills! And that's not kittens,
I have a modified gas mask and large supply of tobacco that says this is wrong....testing starts this afternoon :twisted:
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Quote by starlightcouple
as the highlighted bit shows dean, millions? i think the banks have made us billions. the financial industry we now have in the uk will in time get back all of the money and a heck of a lot more. dont confuse me though dean with someone who has any sympathy for the banks or their workers. i dont.
not going to get into a long drawn out debate about the mining history, as i know this has been done to death on here with not an outright winner.
what i will say though is it was not just thatchers fault but the miners leeder as well who it would seem put his own feelings of hate of thatcher way above the feelings of his members, who in the end were left with nothing.
peeple still blame thatcher for everything it seems with nobody else taking any of the blame. the miners leeder refused to accept any change in the industry and then when thatcher saw her chance, she took it.
in 2012 dean is there a call for coal? would the indusrty survive in todays market? at the same rate it was producing coal in the 70's or 80's? somehow i think not as there are cleener fuels. so thatcher was right after all that the industry would not survive in its current form so it needs change.:notes:
it was not only cannock that lost pits my friend. there were a few in the south that suffered as well.
a brilliant piece of journalism dean this link which if you read all of it , you will see that scargill and the " scabs " were certainly not on the same side, yet belonged to the same union. who was right?
" By far the biggest liability for the strikers was their leader, the NUM president Arthur Scargill ".
Oh dear ....The miners strike has indeed been done to death,and you still fail to grasp a few facts about it ....
1: Scargill did not start the strike,it started at grass roots level when miners walked out in protest at plans for pit closures
2:The N.U.M. had agreed a timetable for closures and rationalisation with the government Thatcher and MacGreggor reneged on this deal and decided unilaterally to speed up and increase the number of closures...hence the walkouts
Thatcher forced the strikes in both the coal and steel industries ... earlier in the thread you question someone elses memory of and grasp of modern history ... you really really need to stop throwing those stones old boy.
Re. Thatcher ..... If your best hope for gold at the world arse kicking championships twists his ankle,the best course of action is to strap it up and start physiotherapy,amputation will not bring home the gold.
P.S. Demand ... demand for coal is as high as ever, new clean burning, coal fired power stations are cheaper and in many ways more viable than nuclear power ,North seas gas reserves are running out, we are increasingly dependant on imports for our fuel,we have massive reserves of coal still available .... seems the old bitch wasn't quite as long sighted as you believe
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Quote by starlightcouple
If there is no north south divide .... can I suggest a huge fucking wall
yeah with the northerners kept over the poor side of the wall
:rotflmao:Funny I thought you'd said there was no divide
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If there is no north south divide .... can I suggest a huge fucking wall
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Quote by Too Hot
Star I think you just argue the toss about football and footballers. Over the months it has become more and more difficult to follow and understand your points as logic seems to be really lacking.
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As far as football and footballers go I have written to Ed Milliband and asked him why he is having a go a Captains of the Industrial and Commercial for earning a good living out of creating wealth and industrial success when dick head footballers who are nothing but spoiled brats earn several million pounds a year for nothing and get the most creative tax advice available. There is a slight erring in the aim of Mr Muilliband with his daily attacks on the highly paid in a sector that is responsible for production, growth and wealth. He should target the dick head footballers who don't create, produce or encourage anything other than their own bank balances - I wonder if the myopic loony labour supporters will support that kind of ranting?
Just seen the weather forecast in hell ..... apparently it's snowing (I would suggest 'as well as' rather then 'instead of')
I've said it before and I'll say it again SNIPERS
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Quote by Max777
I would star have liked the press to report what was happening
Yes three pages and only one report in the British press 24 hours after the events,one does wonder at the significance
But they did Staggers. On the search engine of my choice ( Google)
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
What were you saying about Prestidigitation?
when was that search done Max ???
Still not much on what one would think was a major news event
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Quote by starlightcouple
Ah so you're insinuating that someone else is a liar ... I see
that there is a bit of twisting words mr staggers.
i was trying to enlighten a fellow member on here, and supplied a couple of links. calling anybody a liar is not in my character.
it is obviously not a good idea to some when i try and give a fellow member some financial help where i can.
silly me for thinking i could help someone :sad:
So .....
Quote by starlightcouple
though some would still say that they do not :twisted:
Isn't a suggestion that the truth is not being told ????
I for one don't believe you
I suspect that the last thing the member in question needs is financial advice
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Quote by starlightcouple
corruption in our police force has been there since the days of Robert Peel.
it is not right of course but sometimes to catch a criminal you have to match there criminal acts and there thoughts.
The corruption we are talking about has nothing to do with catching criminals...it is selling information to the press,and therefore endangering any prosecution.
Are you suggesting that to catch a serial killer the police should go out and commit a few murders???A strange position for such a paragon of moral rectitude to take
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Quote by starlightcouple
:sigh: .... The thing is you see .... and this time I'll type it in English .... I have applied and I'm not eligible ... I am not the only one...is that clear enough for you star ??? shall I underline and embolden it ??? do you want it to come round and sing on your doorstepfor fucks sake
aye cheers mr staggers. it is very clear as to why you do not receive any tax credits. two wages coming in a lot of the time makes a big difference you see. :thumbup::thumbup:
I'm Sure it would
Quote by starlightcouple
though some would still say that they do not :twisted:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Really and who might they be ???
are you not paying attention mr staggers
a fellow member on here insinuated that there partner earned a very low wage and i then decided to make tax credits know to them. if i would have known it would have caused this much fuss, i would have kept the information to myself.
blimey you try to do someone a favour and sometimes it can backfire on a person. :sad:
Ah so you're insinuating that someone else is a liar ... I see
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Quote by Bluefish2009
So yes Blue I am suggesting that this and other stories are being conveniently hidden behind this one
Maybe it is not a bad thing, maybe they might get a fair trial, rather than one by a media circus
What media circus ??? The Sun certainly aren't going to go to town ,neither is The Times ... the other papers will I suspect keep their heads firmly lodged below the parapet in order to avoid any mud being slung in their direction ... so we're left with the Guardian and Ms Wades admission,not much of a circus if you ask me ... nice to see some clowns on display though
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Quote by GnV
He is a symptom not the disease...He is smoke and mirrors ... prestidigitation is an old art ... watch their hands not the distractions
Sorry staggs, old chap. Your point is missed on me
My point G is that he is a god send to the government.... everyone can round on him and damn him from one end of Westminster to the other,and in the background continue to twist the knife they've planted in all of our backs .... one wonders how much the major shareholder tried to pay him
Quote by Bluefish2009
Are you suggesting the press used this; http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/404421.html In an attempt to cover their bad news?
Like burying unfavorable news, doing a Jo Moore?
So yes Blue I am suggesting that this and other stories are being conveniently hidden behind this one
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Quote by starlightcouple
what would you like them to do mr staggers? hang them high just for being reporters of the sun?
shoot them at dawn for daring to even work for the paper?
or maybe the evidence is flimsy?
or maybe the majority of peeple reely dont give a damn?
three pages and nearly nothing. read from that what you will!
I would star have liked the press to report what was happening
Given that Rebecca Wade has already admitted to the commons committee that police officers were paid for information,'flimsy' isn't the word I'd have chosen
Whether or not the majority of people give a damn or not the question of corruption within our police force is not an insignificant one.
Yes three pages and only one report in the British press 24 hours after the events,one does wonder at the significance
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:sigh: .... The thing is you see .... and this time I'll type it in English .... I have applied and I'm not eligible ... I am not the only one...is that clear enough for you star ??? shall I underline and embolden it ??? do you want it to come round and sing on your doorstep for fucks sake
Really and who might they be ???
for fucks sakeQuote by starlightcouple
though some would still say that they do not :twisted:
Really and who might they be ???
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Oh and pretty much anything else that I can .... cigars ,pipes,blow backs,standing in smoking shelters too close to other occupants .... I'm not addicted though ... honest I could give up tomorrow
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I smoke American Spirit D.I.Y. fags ... it's just tobacco with non of the additives other brands have .... I mean it's almost a health fag
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Quote by starlightcouple
there you go mr staggers. you may be able to top up your pittance of a salary :thumbup:
I have, I think you'll find, mentioned that for some reason not readily explained in your link,I'm not eligible... strange isn't it, I mean after all if you read the link you'd expect anyone on a salary of less than £20,000 per annum to be eligible .... my God !! you don't think they're lying do you ??
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Prestidigitation ..... not much mention of this in the press
Three pages of my search engine of choice and only this ... from the British media,makes you think doesn't it
Three pages of my search engine of choice and only this ... from the British media,makes you think doesn't it
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He is a symptom not the disease...He is smoke and mirrors ... prestidigitation is an old art ... watch their hands not the distractions
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Quote by foxylady2209
what are pj's? Is it a new style of colostomy bag?
PyJamas.
Or if you're a Doris Day fan ...PaJamas
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Quote by Ben_Minx
Current affairs is such a dull name for the vibrant heart of a swinging community.
I propose, in all seriousness, that this element of the renamed Grumpy Old Men to lighten the tone and give all site visitors a chuckle.
What do you think??
I only fit one of the criteria .... I am forbidden by BB to reveal which
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Quote by browning
I'm fed up with people keep saying the rich should pay more, just jealousy if you ask me.
Answered so many times it's becoming a bore ..... are you of some obscure faith that has an unusual mantra you're required to chant at regular and public intervals ????
