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I think the world has gone made!

Not actually fined then ...headline should read ...Council investigates littering ticket after realising they've employed an idiot


On the surface looks like idiots at the wheel ... headline should read ... Council applies rules:are rules stupid

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Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me

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Dealing with threats in the modern world
Rule 1:
Identify the threat

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Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me

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for me ' when and if a time ever comes where every single person abides by the views and actions of amnesty international, with regards to human rights issues then i may well change my mind on those issues. but for me peeple are killed on a daily basis all because they want others to bow to their own values and beliefs, with no regard at all for others beliefs and values.
human rights are also equal rights, can you have one without the other
two wrongs obviusly do not make a right, no more than sometimes two rights can make a wrong. :notes:

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supporting the right of everyone everywhere to hold whatever beliefs they wish and not be imprisoned and persecuted for them does seem quite a good idea don't you think

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Of course the situation in Syria and many other parts of the world are important, I said Sasha would support petitions on other subjects, there are many, from the destruction of the rain forests to the killing of people under government supervision, I think she has good knowledge of this from her Russian history under Stalin, but the question was asked as to wether or not the subject of gay rights were important enough to bother about in a world where people are dying, and I said yes, to some they are, perhaps not as important as stopping people being murdered but certainly not to be dismissed as "unworthy of support", we should be supporting all that we can that is against injustice everywhere and in every form, if these things are not brought to attention of the masses then nothing can be done about anything. Nobody should decide what is worthy of discussion or support or what isn't, just inform people and let them make thier own choice to support or ignore a situation. Signing one petition to stop the killing in Syria but letting the murder go on in other countries, as it does, it as imoral as ignoring the all the other acts of agression, subversion, etc that are happening, I just believe in giving what time you can to stand up for what you as an indivdual believe is right or wrong, I would respect someone for saying it is right to ban gays more than I would respect someone who says "what the hell" because I respect peoples right to have an opinion regardless of what it is, no opinion is grounds for no comment to me.
Just my opinion of course

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I didn't think Jewl would be upset by Davy Jones death, but then I saw her face. Now I'm a bereaver.

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That Mr Mann chooses to table this motion now,does not make the point invalid,it does suggest a degree of opportunism, but that's the game ... shall we now make a list of Tory M.P.'s who were careerist opportunists ?? I'll start with Winston Churchill
obfuscation ...there's a word
disingenuous ... that's another
It would appear that one does not have to be in parliament to understand either.
HnS yes it's a fucking disgrace,it was when Mandelson and Blunkett and any number of former ministers of any persuasion took it and it is now ....Mr Mann (loving that name) is to be thanked for bringing it to our attention

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You really must stop believing what you read in the papers,or at least start reading a more honest one

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is david cameron accountable for everything one of his tory mp's do essex? i meen if one of them did something dishonest would david cameron be accused of knowing and thrown to the lions?

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murdoch may well have known more than we do, but the enquiry found him to have done nothing wrong. he appologised resoundingly and shut the offending paper down. if an enquiry found no wrong doing on his part, how can you then judge him otherwise i see that the guradians report into the notw hacking was a lie, do you condone that at all?

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well...bankers are in private sector !!
What I am actually trying to point out...is how one set of workers make a loss, double what they did last year, and yet pay out £78 million as a bonus !!!
Whilst other workers, who are in no way to blame for the current financial situation,...(the example shown was as it was in the news), have not had a pay rise for 3 years !!
I for one, do not think, this is right !!!

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Poor old Public sector workers eh
It's no different down here in the private sector either...

Quote by Ben_Minx
Nar book yerself in for a tit lift and a G spot retread you will be fine. I am having my scrotum ironed next week to ensure I pass for 39.

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As she seems to be responsible for that bloody awful multi note wailing used by every other 2nd rate singer currently polluting the airwaves, i guess she's left some sort of legacy :undecided:..........not even in the same league as the recently departed Etta James though

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The UKs manufacturing industry was destroyed by Countries that were in a position to offer cheaper alternatives, the simple truth is that we could buy the products cheaper abroad, cheaper steel products, cheaper warships, cheaper aircraft, cheaper coal, cheaper everything, the consumer wants the cheapest price, occasionally we make a fuss about how something is made and if the workers producing the garments or the coffee are paid a fair wage but for the most part we don't think about were it came from or to what cost to the indigineous population of the Country we bought it from.
Unions wanted us to buy the dearer products from the UK and quite rightly so, that was thier job, the government (all of them) wanted to balance the books and get products at the best possible price.
When you offer a bag of coal to someone that cost £20 to produce but can only sell for £10 something has to be looked at, add to that someone abroad offering the same bag for £5 and there is a situation to be looked at.
Unions were making demands that NO government could hope to agree to if they were to give the best service to the Country as a whole. Demands that even many of thier members didn't believe they wanted or needed, Governments did not look at alternatives to simply buying everything from abroad, there was a balance to be looked at, a £5 bag of coal, is on the surface cheaper and a wise move, but not if the bag of coal has hidden costs of another £5 for unemployment benefits etc, profitable mines could have stayed open, non-profitable mines could either be improved or closed, certain ships could have been built in Britain whilst importing a part of our fleet.
I don't know all the answers but it seems that everyone governments and unions alike just drew a line in the sand and would not compromise or negotiate.

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I can only assume the industry's you mention were no longer viable. Unions looking after workers is one thing, but when they push wages up and up, the eventual effect has to be we can no longer compete with country's who have lower welfare standards and cheaper employment.
Mrs T went a long time ago, we have also had 18 years of a Labour government since that time.