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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

If a past time is legal then I and others may take part in it, no matter what other views may be on it.

well said blue it really is as simple as that :thumbup:
Wasn't stalking mentioned earlier ??

Ah but now ask yourself whose window they're peering through

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Of course it's just opinion ffs!! ... even those who offer evidence are only usually offering evidence to support their opinion and not the counter argument
There are those on here more than ready to cast accusations of bullying ... seems those very same people are also more than ready to join in when it actually happens
You may not agree with others opinions,you may not like others opinions,you may even be offended by others opinions... nevertheless they have every right to hold and express those opinions in whatever way they chose (AUP permitting). Constant accusations of trolling are less than helpful in eliciting a response

Pot/Kettle comes to mind here vis-a-vis an earlier post of yours in this forum....
Oh and which one would that be G ??
This one...

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Try phoning the police about your lost or stolen dog ... as a priority it will rank right up there with spitting in the a lost or stolen dog is labour intensive and to most people other than the owner pointless

Actually, spitting in the street is being regarded as quite serious...

And of course the police are fully prepared to invest the manpower required to investigate all reports of street expectoration aren't they G
Well it would seem you and Star have one thing in common .... you start talking shit when you realise you're wrong,I'd suggest a dignified silence in future it looks better don't you know
Oh G ...here's a whole lorry load

now read the whole line and ask if I was really really trying to stop you from posting
(that's better .... wrong pic. first time)

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
dont worry max, why let a damn good opinion get in the way of facts eh? :doh:

I read

Quote by starlightcouple
fight, fight, fight,

and saw a little boy jumping up and down in the playground .... 'tis ever thus

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Max777
Of course it's just opinion ffs!! ... even those who offer evidence are only usually offering evidence to support their opinion and not the counter argument
There are those on here more than ready to cast accusations of bullying ... seems those very same people are also more than ready to join in when it actually happens
You may not agree with others opinions,you may not like others opinions,you may even be offended by others opinions... nevertheless they have every right to hold and express those opinions in whatever way they chose (AUP permitting). Constant accusations of trolling are less than helpful in eliciting a response

Opinions are one thing, stating supposed FACTS and berating other forum users for not believing those so called facts is quite another!
The trolling accusation has arisen precisely because of a lack of response to requests to provide evidence to back up the claims being made. Ensure you put the horse before the cart.
I do understand that it is often frustrating to find requests for evidence hit a brick wall,I have to be honest and say that the only 'berating' I've seen hasn't come from Gulson (or indeed Ben another treated in a similar manner) I may have missed it or I may take his comments less seriously than others, I don't I can say is that as far as he is concerned there does seem to be something of a bandwagon rolling through these here pages

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by HnS
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

Did he commit an offence in the UK in respect of which he can be tried in the UK or were his alleged offences committed elsewhere?
The hook's indictments are raised in the USA AFAIK so how can he be tried in the UK?
He is being tried and has been tried several times in this country ...it's about time we let a court have a go
Oh and those extradition hearing how do they work then ??
Extradition, ain't that a slower version of rendition ?
dunno

It often looks like it

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
Of course it's just opinion ffs!! ... even those who offer evidence are only usually offering evidence to support their opinion and not the counter argument
There are those on here more than ready to cast accusations of bullying ... seems those very same people are also more than ready to join in when it actually happens
You may not agree with others opinions,you may not like others opinions,you may even be offended by others opinions... nevertheless they have every right to hold and express those opinions in whatever way they chose (AUP permitting). Constant accusations of trolling are less than helpful in eliciting a response

yes pot/kettle indeed. staggers
but as an aside, what a lot of opinions??
an opinion is one thing, backing it up with facts when others ask is something completely different.
vis-a-vis indeed. innocent

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
Indeed lol

What joy

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Of course it's just opinion ffs!! ... even those who offer evidence are only usually offering evidence to support their opinion and not the counter argument
There are those on here more than ready to cast accusations of bullying ... seems those very same people are also more than ready to join in when it actually happens
You may not agree with others opinions,you may not like others opinions,you may even be offended by others opinions... nevertheless they have every right to hold and express those opinions in whatever way they chose (AUP permitting). Constant accusations of trolling are less than helpful in eliciting a response

Pot/Kettle comes to mind here vis-a-vis an earlier post of yours in this forum....
Oh and which one would that be G ??

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

Did he commit an offence in the UK in respect of which he can be tried in the UK or were his alleged offences committed elsewhere?
The hook's indictments are raised in the USA AFAIK so how can he be tried in the UK?
He is being tried and has been tried several times in this country ...it's about time we let a court have a go
Oh and those extradition hearing how do they work then ??

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

so why are we harbouring a convicted terrorist again????
He is/was going through legal process, every one has a right to that process without prejudice,justice as they say must be SEEN to be done ... I'm satisfied with that,I trust our judicial system ... as Doris Day said que sera sera

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
how about we tax benefits to save road tax :bounce:

No net gain .... do the maths :doh:

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Ben_Minx
I work on the basis that if its online it can probably end up being widely distributed.

REALLY !!!!! ????? shit .... I'd better take the homemade snuff films down ... brb bolt

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

If a past time is legal then I and others may take part in it, no matter what other views may be on it.

well said blue it really is as simple as that :thumbup:
Wasn't stalking mentioned earlier ??

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by Ben_Minx
While we are at it, we could add the cost of 3rd party injury insurance to fuel too and stop motor insurance from being a bankroll for claims lawyers

seconded

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20 Apr 2012

Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

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20 Apr 2012

Of course it's just opinion ffs!! ... even those who offer evidence are only usually offering evidence to support their opinion and not the counter argument
There are those on here more than ready to cast accusations of bullying ... seems those very same people are also more than ready to join in when it actually happens
You may not agree with others opinions,you may not like others opinions,you may even be offended by others opinions... nevertheless they have every right to hold and express those opinions in whatever way they chose (AUP permitting). Constant accusations of trolling are less than helpful in eliciting a response

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20 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
got soaked in the drought today

And we're freezing in the global warming climate.....
I think you'll find that it's climate change nowadays G

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20 Apr 2012

Road tax should be abolished and the duty on fuel increased to make up the lost revenue .... pay per mile

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Every day of the week I hear this ... I've seen dogs stolen from breeders,kennels,houses ... all from people who would never lose their dog who love their dogs,I've seen dogs of all breeds 'just not come back' even those highly trained prize winning gun dogs,and well 'they've never done it before' , I've seen dogs of owners who know all this go missing.
If you you think YOUR dog will never run off, you are a fool spayed or not and need to be a little more honest with yourself about the nature of dogs... they will and often do get distracted keep chasing that rabbit or whatever and get lost,no matter how well trained you think your dog, this happens.. you are not a better trainer than the owners of these dogs you are just luckier.
Dogs of all breeds are stolen everyday and are never returned to their owners... you are not a better more responsible owner than these people, you're just luckier.
Try phoning the police about your lost or stolen dog ... as a priority it will rank right up there with spitting in the a lost or stolen dog is labour intensive and to most people other than the owner pointless
you wrote this
And here's where you're wrong.. the chances of you getting an unspayed bitch or unneutered dog back are far less than that of you getting their sterilised counterparts back,they have you see a value above and beyond their own ... it is the difference between finding a £50 note and finding a machine that makes £50 and it is btw rarely a matter of waiting for a bitch to come into season most spayed bitches have a visible scar from the process not always easily visible but detectable non the less
then wrote this

P.S. I forgot to mention those dogs stolen found to be incapable of breeding and subsequently used as bait dogs to train fighting dogs .... they're not pretty to look at I promise you

so i wont get my spayed dog back then
and its death by breeding or by being baited as i pointed out then doesn't make a difference to spaying a dog or not the outcome is going to be the same a horrible death
sod it wheres blue i want me tail cut off seems the safer option bolt

I don't know where the underlined bit comes from ... certainly not my post
I don't think I said all or even most just some
Enjoy yourselves,take good care of your animals

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

P.S. I forgot to mention those dogs stolen found to be incapable of breeding and subsequently used as bait dogs to train fighting dogs .... they're not pretty to look at I promise you

So, if stolen, a dog would be better off having not been spayed dunno

Better chance of servival if your a breeding machine than a bait dog I would hazard?
It would Blue be better off dead ... this is usually what happens to bait dogs ... much as those foxes you insist have a brief and merciful death ... a breeding bitch suffers for far longer.. take your pick
I thought, and correct me if I am wrong, that you were promoting the spaying of a bitch as its savoir?
A spayed bitch under the two circumstances you outline Blue would quite possibly suffer less
I am now done with this it is beginning to leave my temper frayed and I will not waste my time with those of you attempting to point score on a topic this close to me
I hope the dogs that belong to any of you never have cause to suffer from your ignorance

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
but frankly a lot of the rest you come up with is just frankly a bit of nonsense staggers.

Oh well there you go I must obviously accept you as the authority on the subject.
See the thing is I accept that Blue has some knowledge of the problems of dog ownership ... he is wrong about tail docking and whatever he may think he knows about dog theft is probably wrong too but I am/was prepared to debate the issue with knowledge of dog theft and the mistreatment of stolen dogs is not just gleaned from links on websites but from devoting my time and money to helping them,should you wish to do the same Star you will I assure you soon find that nothing that I have written is nonsense.

Quote by Bluefish2009
If every gun dog owner had there dog spayed we would not be able to breed gun-dogs.

And that would not necessarily be a bad thing Blue .. they are unecessary if you want a dog do ALL dogs a favour and get yourself a rescue or a mongrel. A rescue will have been neutered and will not breed any more genetic weaknesses into the species and a mongrel will generally not possess any of those weaknesses in the first place

Quote by GnV
If I wish to respond, I will and will not be silenced by inappropriate personal attacks. You should learn some manners Staggs.

Don't play the wounded soul G it doesn't suit you .... you had a bit of a dig and attempted to trivialise my point,I had one back... I have no need of lectures about manners thank is a topic quite close to my heart if you'd had any manners or sensitivity you would have realised that and not tried to trivialise it ... and star if you want proof of that come and meet my bitch and spend a couple of hours counting the scars that cover her body ,we're not sure what they are but they do look remarkably like cigarette burns.

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

P.S. I forgot to mention those dogs stolen found to be incapable of breeding and subsequently used as bait dogs to train fighting dogs .... they're not pretty to look at I promise you

So, if stolen, a dog would be better off having not been spayed dunno

Better chance of servival if your a breeding machine than a bait dog I would hazard?
It would Blue be better off dead ... this is usually what happens to bait dogs ... much as those foxes you insist have a brief and merciful death ... a breeding bitch suffers for far longer.. take your pick

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Try phoning the police about your lost or stolen dog ... as a priority it will rank right up there with spitting in the a lost or stolen dog is labour intensive and to most people other than the owner pointless

Actually, spitting in the street is being regarded as quite serious...

And of course the police are fully prepared to invest the manpower required to investigate all reports of street expectoration aren't they G
Well it would seem you and Star have one thing in common .... you start talking shit when you realise you're wrong,I'd suggest a dignified silence in future it looks better don't you know

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17 Apr 2012

Are you sure it's a stomach ulcer ?? a short course of antibiotics should deal with that ... no need for overseas travel

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17 Apr 2012

Star you want evidence ?? here you go knock yourself out .....

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17 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob

not exactly true? staggs
the kc announced that a breeding bitch may now register only 4 litters iirc and only 2 litters to dogs the require birth by c section
And of course any one who is breeding from a stolen bitch will be registering them with the KC wont they :doh:
there is also age limits on when you can start to breed a bitch from and the latest you can register a litter from a bitch
you might want to get ready for a glut of rescue dogs as the bubble for breeding dogs is about to burst and them unscrupulous breeders who use dogs for big profit will be turning to something else
as for travellers stealing dogs to breed you will find that they prefer to steal them for ransom as its far more profitable
That rather depends on the breed Rob ... I'm more than aware of the practices of dog theft,An unspayed working dog will be bred before it is (if it is at all)ransomed,it will in all probability be returned (if it is) grossly undernourished and traumatised , with all the health problems that follow
as for neutering dogs we spoke with our vet last night a dog should not be neutered before its full mature as is widely believed it will not only not mature. also she mentions that early research is showing that it could also stunt a dogs bone growth in areas like the head which is one slowest development area's of a maturing dog
Did she at any stage advise you not to neuter your dog ?? I doubt it
running off when the doors left open then just as many dogs will (spayed or unspayed) run out of an open door so surely it would be money better invested in micro chipping and an auto door shut than spaying or neutering if your worried you might leave a door or gate open dunno

A chip is only of any value if the dog is found and handed in,they are easily wiped and rendered totally useless ... I do agree all dogs should be chipped but don't labour under the idea that they guarantee your dogs return .. they are also easily removed,all you need is a reasonably sharp knife
spaying or neutering its no different its done by people for people as we keep a domesticated wild animal as a pet
what about the rubbish that people feed their dogs
shit like bakers or pedigree chum how many responsible owners actually feed their dogs a decent balanced dog meal very few id wager
as most healthy foods for dogs are expensive
i could not start to explain just how corrupt and morally unjust the dog breeding fraternity is and just what lenghts they go to, i could show you 9 different crufts entered stud dogs with the very same health certificate signed by the same vet in redhill with all the same boxes ticked to say the dogs been DNA tested and healthy for breeding when its obvious the dog has been no where near the vet lets face it why travel 300 miles to a vet for a health test when you get this at any vet round the corner
there is very big money in dog breeding far more mutilation goes on than tail docking with much more sinister reasoning
I couldn't agree more, you are not alone in you disapproval of the KC, I'm not keen on the whole concept of pedigree breeding at all ... it is long past time that the good old fashioned healthy mid-sized mongrel made a come back
its my opinion that owners of working field dogs believe that docking the tail is for the benefit of the dog against potential damage and should be allowed
the very same reason that you believe that spaying will protect your bitch against being stolen and breed to death
sad fact is they will steal your dog and not know its spayed, when it doesn't come into season it will be left to starve or turned loose to roam and get run over the chances of you getting that dog back or not stolen because it is spayed are the same as bluesgetting a tail injury!! but both are done for the same reason . you believe its best for the dog ??
And here's where you're wrong.. the chances of you getting an unspayed bitch or unneutered dog back are far less than that of you getting their sterilised counterparts back,they have you see a value above and beyond their own ... it is the difference between finding a £50 note and finding a machine that makes £50 and it is btw rarely a matter of waiting for a bitch to come into season most spayed bitches have a visible scar from the process not always easily visible but detectable non the less

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Every day of the week I hear this ... I've seen dogs stolen from breeders,kennels,houses ... all from people who would never lose their dog who love their dogs,I've seen dogs of all breeds 'just not come back' even those highly trained prize winning gun dogs,and well 'they've never done it before' , I've seen dogs of owners who know all this go missing.
If you you think YOUR dog will never run off, you are a fool and need to be a little more honest with yourself about the nature of dogs... they will and often do get distracted keep chasing that rabbit or whatever and get lost,no matter how well trained you think your dog, this happens.. you are not a better trainer than the owners of these dogs you are just luckier.
Dogs of all breeds are stolen everyday and are never returned to their owners... you are not a better more responsible owner than these people, you're just luckier.
Try phoning the police about your lost or stolen dog ... as a priority it will rank right up there with spitting in the a lost or stolen dog is labour intensive and to most people other than the owner pointless
P.S. I forgot to mention those dogs stolen found to be incapable of breeding and subsequently used as bait dogs to train fighting dogs .... they're not pretty to look at I promise you

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16 Apr 2012

Hubris Blue
Take down the pics of you and the dog and have her spayed please

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16 Apr 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
And she is never left? the door is never opened?? No-one else knows she is a trained unspayed bitch ??

Your dog is a prime target for theft ... have you ever seen the result of over breeding on a bitch ?? my advice would be have her spayed because if she's stolen she will suffer , and believe me dog theft is a growing industry ... so there you go a damn good reason to have your dog or bitch done
You got that evidence to support docking yet ??

Ah, scare tactics.... The kind of thing Tony Blair and his Government used to employ ia an attempt to keep us all in line!
Am I to hang a large sign on the dog to say she has been spayed so all criminals will know?
As a trained dog she is a target for theft. just like any valuables, one has to do what you can to keep them safe.
What you have listed above is not evidence staggs, but opinions, you believe these action may make her safer. That is what I believe about a docked tail.
Blue I'm sorry to have to say this but you are a fool ... I hope you and your dog never have occasion to find out how much of one ...BB tonight arranged transport for a trained police sniffer dog that has been rescued from a travellers camp ... how well trained is your dog ?? go back and look down the lists on doglost this is not a scare tactic it is the truth, your dog is to someone else nothing more than a money making machine there is more than enough proof of that to be found.I could offer you reams and reams of proof sob stories bitches old before their time bitches bred to death but it wont make any difference because your dog is different you are a better more responsible owner ... you are in short the goose be careful not to lay that egg

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16 Apr 2012

Quote by Ben_Minx
I cant read all that mids.
Have you got an executive summary?

To summarize Ben .... U.S.A.

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16 Apr 2012

And she is never left? the door is never opened?? No-one else knows she is a trained unspayed bitch ??

Your dog is a prime target for theft ... have you ever seen the result of over breeding on a bitch ?? my advice would be have her spayed because if she's stolen she will suffer , and believe me dog theft is a growing industry ... so there you go a damn good reason to have your dog or bitch done
You got that evidence to support docking yet ??

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16 Apr 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

No Blue I'm saying the same as I have done all along ,that docking is an unnecessary surgical procedure,that all surgical procedures carry a risk,that it is not a painless procedure (nip down to the hospital and have them cut your thumb off... I doubt you would enjoy the process).I was merely pointing out to G that docking is not always the clean clinical process that he seems to believe.
It is you Blue who is trying to justify a surgical procedure not you mean castration and spaying of dogs then I really don't need to justify them ... ban them by all means and then deal with the strays,abuse and neglect that would ensue,deal with keeping your kids and dogs indoors to avoid the increased number of dog attacks that would follow ... my argument hasn't fallen down or altered yours it would seem is skidding along on it's arse

I have made a comparison Staggs, two surgical procedures, both involving risk and pain to the animal. I would hazard the docking to be a far smaller procedure. A local Anastasia, quick snip and two stitches
Mine is chosen to prevent stress and pain to a working dog, yours it would seam is done to save us all from bedlam. Who is benefiting from this, is it the dog, is it us, the human race? dunno

I have not called for a ban on this staggs, just to point out your double standard, purely because this procedure suits your needs and way of thinking.
I have not felt the need to inflict this pain and distress on my dog.
I am simply pointing out that your argument for castration and spaying is no more justifiable than mine for docking.
My argument is the same as it was at the start, I firmly believe the docking of some breeds to be of benefit to the dog.
And there was me labouring under the misapprehension that you were a responsible dog owner .... do you insist that you sexual partners deal with contraception too?? or is it just your dog ? who is responsible when he escapes because he's got scent of a bitch ?? and I don't care how much control you believe you have over your dog it can happen with your dog just the same as any other ... I'd move well away from any busy roads if I were you

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