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Theladyisaminx
Over 90 days ago
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Quote by flower411
The judge could still have that role, I think what HJ was saying a 13th member would just be there to keep things on track without diverting completely and rambling about things that are irrelevant to the case in question.
Sorry I haven`t read this thread properly !!
Why not?
But this bit caught my eye and I have to say that sometimes a bit of rambling and talking about irrelevant stuff helps me to think.
I can see your point, to me it could be a time to switch of and gather my thoughts. But to much rambling could make some lose interest, and direction.
If I have to be completely focussed on the matter in hand I tend to make snap decisions to alleviate the boredom !! :shock:
Fair point.
There`s a lot to be said for people being able to ramble and discuss when they are making such an important decision. If they had an authority figure "guiding" them they may well be coerced into making the wrong decision entirely.
There is a point about a certain amount of rambling, but when it goes completly off topic, as happened in a case I was on I did think lets get back to what we are here to discuss, I think if the authoritive figure used their common sence a certain amount of rambling could take place just not to much.
I would rather the courts started using plain English rather than "court speak" in an effort to help people understand what is going on ..
I totally agree some of the legal jargon is very confusing
Quote by kentswingers777
My one concession might be for a professional jury "Foreman" to keep order and ensure that everything was properly considered. -- possibly a "Number 13" but without a vote him/her self
Is that not what the judge does on his summing up? Impartial and tells the jury the facts and nothing else, when considering their verdict?
Indeed he does but he has no control over what happens once the jury retires.
Of course that is true, and I would hate to see anyone else in the jury room, except the twelve jurors.
As in many cases if the jurors are unsure on something, they can ask the judge to clarify a point...as many times as they like.
How hard is it to sum up the evidence, discuss it with your fellow jurors, and hopefully come to the right verdict. Nothing is perfect, but seems to have worked well enough over the years.
The judge could still have that role, I think what HJ was saying a 13th member would just be there to keep things on track without diverting completely and rambling about things that are irrelevant to the case in question.
I am sure HJ will correct me I am wrong, but this is how I read what he was talking bout.
Quote by HJ
Most of us in our day-to-day lives mix with people of whom at least 90% are likely to be reasonably honest and upright, and we only occasionally come into contact with criminals. The police, CPS, magistrates and judges on the other hand probably see more criminals than honest people, and must surely develop a very different picture of how society works to the rest of us, and I suspect, will often err on the side of guilty rather than innocent. If we had professional jurors I'm sure they would soon become tainted with the same view of society as they would constantly see people who had been accused of serious crimes (and by inference, a larger proportion of those are likely to be guilty than a random sample picked off the street)
So I would much sooner be tried by a random bunch of 12!!
HJ,
You have made me think, so I would like to say thanks for that!
The points you have made above I totally can see where you are coming from. Yes looking like it in that way I can see some would be tainted.
Your point about a 13 member with the jury I could see working and I think it could be a good idea. I can only relate it to a Chair person in a meeting keeping people focused on the points in question, as when I was on jury service it was so easy for people to diverse completely of track. I know the spokes person is supposed to do this, but as they are elected by the jury you don’t always know that they are strong enough to keep order.
Hope this makes sense!
Quote by kentswingers777
Why do we really apologise?is it for absolution or out of remorse,because we are truly sorry or cos we want to feel better about ourselves?or because its expected of us when we wrong others,but do we really mean it....?
i personally rearly or never quick to apologise beacause sometimes i feel its an insult to or waste of time if your feeling about a situation/issue is still the same....why do you apologise or not!
above material is not copied and pasted
For many reasons of late the forum has been a place of bickering and argueing, for which I for one am guilty of at times. Even when a innocent thread is put up, it seems to degenerate into a big arguement.
I say things sometimes in jest that some seem to take out of context, maybe we all do at times?
Even when I did appologise for a comment I made in jest, I was still slated.
People on here Phuckers know me well enough, as deecee nicely put it the other day...A ranter like Alf Garnett.
But.....When I am wrong ( which does not happen often ) , I am big enough to appologise and most on here know that.I have appologised even when I think I have nothing to appologise for, just to try and calm a heated thread down. Maybe that's wrong, but at the time felt it was for the best.
It takes a big person to admit they are wrong and say sorry, and I for one respect people when they do.
You are going soft in your old age!
keep up the hard work
Well sorry folks another topical thread I am sorry.
But on reading the OJ thread has made me think back to the days when I was called up for jury service.
I sat on a case and after it has always left me with a feeling of did all the jury listen to all the evidence before them. I was gobsmacked in deliberation that a few of the jury had such a completely different view of how the rest of us had heard the case. The outcome didn’t alter how I felt and I was so happy after that the judge read out he had no previous and was let off, for something that I really in my gut totally felt he was innocent for.
But there were other people on the jury that would have had this person locked up. I think that personally they felt on that day the power to be able to do this to someone.
It does go to show that to have a balance on a jury is a good thing.
But it always left me with a feeling that could there be an argument for employed and fully trained jury members?
I have totally mixed views on this and keep an open mind
I just wondered what other felt about this?
whoops edited my spelling mistake
But on reading the OJ thread has made me think back to the days when I was called up for jury service.
I sat on a case and after it has always left me with a feeling of did all the jury listen to all the evidence before them. I was gobsmacked in deliberation that a few of the jury had such a completely different view of how the rest of us had heard the case. The outcome didn’t alter how I felt and I was so happy after that the judge read out he had no previous and was let off, for something that I really in my gut totally felt he was innocent for.
But there were other people on the jury that would have had this person locked up. I think that personally they felt on that day the power to be able to do this to someone.
It does go to show that to have a balance on a jury is a good thing.
But it always left me with a feeling that could there be an argument for employed and fully trained jury members?
I have totally mixed views on this and keep an open mind
I just wondered what other felt about this?
whoops edited my spelling mistake
Quote by kentswingers777
Why does the thread need to be made light of ? I was enjoying reading the comments and adding to the debate ... another interesting thread has been turned into a personality contest
Suede I think that this thread was started with me in mind by Minxy.
I have been battered for weeks about my reading of the Sun and some quotes I have used from it. Minx may say this thread was not started with me in mind, in which case I will stand corrected.
Me and Minxy have goaded each other for ages over my reading material in private, for which obviously nobody was aware of. Of course by me reading the Sun I know that I will be ridiculed for which I dont mind, I thought it was all in good taste. After some of the heated debates of late I thought this was a very good lighthearted one.
I will stay out of this thread as obviously some have taken my comments out of context, for which I appologise as that was not my intention at all.
777 we have never agreed on anything but we have always been friends since I joined sh you and mrs have been my guardian angels along with a couple of other people here, and I always respect you both for that, you know I do. It is that side I believe that others don’t see of you.
I started this thread not with you in mind but can totally understand why you would think that, I always take the piss out of you and you of I.
But I truly believe in this country people are being brain washed by the media, this doesn’t just mean sun readers, it is anyone that only listens reads one form of media and takes what they say as gospel it is a scary thought if you really sit and think about it.
And I do think media is too powerful they have people in the grasp of their hands, to feed them what they want them to hear, this is not always the facts.
So no I don’t see this as a light hearted thread but I don’t mind in the slightest a bit of humour along the way too. The two can work side by side as long as my points raised can cause a good debate to, I wouldn’t like those to get lost along the way!
Hope this makes sense!
Quote by GnV
I agree Minx. When discussing issues you can tell that people's views are formulated reading only the popular tabloid newspapers. People are lazy and look to the short and quick answer to problems rather than to formulate their own thoughts after taking in all sides of the argument.
I admit to buying the Sun on occasions as the lazy and cheap option but take any "reporting" it has with a large pinch of salt. On numerous times it`s reporting has been proven to be totally in-accurate, the worst case being Hilsborough.
It's clear though that some people don't. Media is a powerful tool and mass popular media is the greatest tool of all. It's no surprise Tony Blair courted the Sun to win the last election ... it remains to be seen which party they will support at the next, but rest assured it will provide the party with a helping hand.
So where do mine come from then?
I don't read any of the UK papers but have often been associated with reading the Daily Wail...
Apologies GnV have never spoken to you. I was referring to people i've spoken to on a daily basis at work etc. Their views on politics, religion, race etc appear to match what is written in the tabloids.
It may be a case their views reflect what is written and not the other way round.
Seriously Suede-head, no offence was taken by me at your comment so no apology is required!
It just seemed a very good one to highlight a very valid general point.
There are many in the forum that do make wide-sweeping assumptions on people's political orientation - and often, in my view, based on their own reading rather than the poster's, if you see what I mean.
Great point :thumbup:
Quote by Suede-head
I agree Minx. When discussing issues you can tell that people's views are formulated reading only the popular tabloid newspapers. People are lazy and look to the short and quick answer to problems rather than to formulate their own thoughts after taking in all sides of the argument.
I admit to buying the Sun on occasions as the lazy and cheap option but take any "reporting" it has with a large pinch of salt. On numerous times it`s reporting has been proven to be totally in-accurate, the worst case being Hilsborough.
It's clear though that some people don't. Media is a powerful tool and mass popular media is the greatest tool of all. It's no surprise Tony Blair courted the Sun to win the last election ... it remains to be seen which party they will support at the next, but rest assured it will provide the party with a helping hand.
Thank you,
These are exactly the points I had in mind when starting this thread.
What concerns me is I believe in America the media brainwash the people. And I can see that happening here. Too many people rely on a paper to inform them of what is happening,
They don’t seem to understand that:
A that it is just a reporter and editors take on a situation.
B, the real facts can be edited out.
All media is just someone’s opinion, to keep an open mind is to gather a cross section of opinions and to come to a conclusion based on your own thoughts on what you have heard and read.
Quote by Wunderhorse
:gagged: :gagged:
In the end Kent, you have the right to your views.
Still I think that your above statement on what I placed in this thread is quite...strange...
Maybe you are doing it to 'rub me up the wrong way', perhaps? Still if that's the level of input you are placing into what has so far been a good thread then don't contribute.
Words not Emoticons are needed to explain yourself. How can I get where your coming from if you just use 3 Emoticons..?
From,
Wunderhorse.
I dont think he has ever seen that word before, he only knows the words if it's printed in the sun!
Thats why he couldn't comment.
he is harmless realy!
Quote by kentswingers777
Plus with the credit crunch the Sun is still only 30p. Roll up....roll up.
Im having serious worries about you.
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
Mind, its still cheaper than Andrex and is more than worthy of the same job
You trying to dig me out Hel?
You dont read the Sun and thats fine, but why do people continue to knock those that do?
People think others that read the Sun are whatever, but loads of people would have strong views on those that swap partners. Each to their own eh?
I think hel asked a valid question!
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
You do make me laugh!
And he never gives a straight answer and always wants the last word....makes ya wonder dont it?
The only reason you kept asking was because you wanted me to say I googled it...no?
I can give a straight answer if I think it warrants one...oh yes I like the last word as I am always right.
xxxxxxHave you noticed you are always the only one that admits to reading the sun?
With the amount of people they attract others here will not admit it lol
I do admire your honesty at least we all know where you stand.
I believe people should stand up and be counted we cant knock you for that!
You know I joke about with you, but you also know we will never agree! lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Plus with the credit crunch the Sun is still only 30p. Roll up....roll up.
Im having serious worries about you.
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
Mind, its still cheaper than Andrex and is more than worthy of the same job
You trying to dig me out Hel?
You dont read the Sun and thats fine, but why do people continue to knock those that do?
People think others that read the Sun are whatever, but loads of people would have strong views on those that swap partners. Each to their own eh?
I think hel asked a valid question!
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
You do make me laugh!
The simple amswer to that one is yes. The ammount of money I have spent over the years, I think I have got shares in it.
Plus I do like old Rupert!!
:shock: :therethere: It will all be better soon!
Wheres the care in the community when you need it?
Quote by helnheaven
Plus with the credit crunch the Sun is still only 30p. Roll up....roll up.
Im having serious worries about you.
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
Mind, its still cheaper than Andrex and is more than worthy of the same job
You trying to dig me out Hel?
You dont read the Sun and thats fine, but why do people continue to knock those that do?
People think others that read the Sun are whatever, but loads of people would have strong views on those that swap partners. Each to their own eh?
I think hel asked a valid question!
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
You do make me laugh!
And he never gives a straight answer and always wants the last word....makes ya wonder dont it?
Just like the politicians!
Quote by kentswingers777
Plus with the credit crunch the Sun is still only 30p. Roll up....roll up.
Im having serious worries about you.
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
Mind, its still cheaper than Andrex and is more than worthy of the same job
You trying to dig me out Hel?
You dont read the Sun and thats fine, but why do people continue to knock those that do?
People think others that read the Sun are whatever, but loads of people would have strong views on those that swap partners. Each to their own eh?
I think hel asked a valid question!
Do you have connections with the Sun? Shares? Reporter maybe??
You do make me laugh!
Quote by keeno
I couldn't agree more.
However, (there's always a however)
The papers print what people want to read. They don't want a bland grey world. They want an exciting world that matches the hyper realisism of soap operas
I just feel a lot of people feel so negative about life at times, and when you talk to them they say have you read what the papers have said. I am sure they determined peoples moods..As for soaps don'e even go there lol
I never watch them, and they have in my mind a part to play too.
I believe the tabloids have shaped public opinion for years, what they say many people believe, as we know one of the leading newspapers is the sun.
I feel the tabloids love a good scare mongering story they thieve on it, why because it makes them mega bucks, they can fuel a simmering fire into a raging inferno, it is a shame that many people believe what they say without gathering all the facts for themselves.
When are people going to wake up to see tabloids for what they really are, I gave up reading tabloids on the back of, myself partly blaming them for the death of Diana, I have never bought a newspaper since I made my stand towards them. Not that it has done any good but it has made me feel a whole lot better.
I believe we should be informed about what is going on in the world I get my information from various forms and try to gather enough facts to form my opinion but always keep an open mind.
Take what is happening with the banks, the media has turned this into a raging inferno.
They give people a slight spark and drip feed the oil to keep the fire going.
This isn’t the first time the tabloids have caused unrest on an issue, and it will not be the last I believe, this will die down when they move on and report on something else.
When are we going to learn?
What are others views on this?
Do you think the tabloids are responsible for this?
I feel the tabloids love a good scare mongering story they thieve on it, why because it makes them mega bucks, they can fuel a simmering fire into a raging inferno, it is a shame that many people believe what they say without gathering all the facts for themselves.
When are people going to wake up to see tabloids for what they really are, I gave up reading tabloids on the back of, myself partly blaming them for the death of Diana, I have never bought a newspaper since I made my stand towards them. Not that it has done any good but it has made me feel a whole lot better.
I believe we should be informed about what is going on in the world I get my information from various forms and try to gather enough facts to form my opinion but always keep an open mind.
Take what is happening with the banks, the media has turned this into a raging inferno.
They give people a slight spark and drip feed the oil to keep the fire going.
This isn’t the first time the tabloids have caused unrest on an issue, and it will not be the last I believe, this will die down when they move on and report on something else.
When are we going to learn?
What are others views on this?
Do you think the tabloids are responsible for this?
Quote by flower411
What are your views on being able to log into chat twice and be in more than one room at a time?
Personally I think it's a stupid idea! It causes unnecessary congestion, with "phantom" chatters squatting in more than one room preventing genuine ones getting in.
SSHHHHHHH !! We`re not supposed to tell anybody !!
So thats where you are when I chat to you and get no response. You are just loitering!
I bought 4 birthday cards 3 weeks ago for my twins whos birthday it was yesterday. On Sunday evening on getting then out to write out. Instead of getting a son, daughter, sister and brother. I had bought 2 sister and 2 son cards :doh: 
I like nice cards and they were not cheap grrrr
But at least I have next years card!
I like nice cards and they were not cheap grrrr
But at least I have next years card!
Quote by bouncy332
Urinating in public gets you on the register?????
I defy any man here to say he hasn't had a crafty piss in a public place.
This is crazy
It depends on the circumstances. If one was down the back of a dark alley... away from site/vision, releiving themselves then you would be safe. Id call this a crafty piss. Ive done it myself, and often late at night, when walking my dog, i might have one up against the tree in the park.... but its not vaguely sexual.
waving yer todge in public, pissing up against the wall in an open area is absolutely gross and also probably not going to get you on the register either...
Youd be surprised though at the number of "flashers" that claim they were just having a pee... when they were actually doing something more sinister....
Now they are they type of people who might end up n the register...
oh dear so where would i of stood the other day when i got caught short on the motorway
there had been a crash up ahaed and we had been stood still for yonks n i was incredibly desperate we got moving but very very slowly and i knew i couldn't hold till we got to services cause i had no idea how much longer we would b crawling so i made hubby pull onto hard shoulder, there was no bushes to hide behind so i opened my door and passenger door n squated between the 2 and would ya believe it cause i had been holdin on so damn long it took me forever to go, didn't help there was a long que of traffic crawling past i can tell ya
now in this situation could i get done for that??
just for future ref bit scarey if i could end up as a sexual offender for that
I have been there done that too!But we have a sliding door at the back now, not so easy to hide from traffic coming your way anymore! :shock:
