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7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
NEARLY 100,000 people living on benefits have four or more children, new figures revealed last night.
The vast "shameless generation" includes more than 900 claimants with EIGHT or more children.
The figures lay bare how Britain's benefits culture has spawned an underclass of kids brought up on welfare.
Imagine for one second how much money is spent on these amounts of people, with their broods.
Of the 97,350 people on benefits who have four or more kids, 7,000 have six; 2,260 seven; and 910 eight or more. More than half of those with four or more - 56,490 - are on single parent benefits.
A further 23,410 claim incapacity benefit. The rest are on Jobseekers' Allowance.
I want to see this kind of mentality stopped, and the Mothers who have untold amounts of kids to take some form of responsibility.....I wonder how many of these people would have had any more than two kids IF there was not the benefits open to them?
I bet the population would shrink somewhat....maybe that is what is needed, a complete look at benefits for people who have a whole long line of kids.

And your point is?
Is that why you would rather opt out of the NHS system?
I think someones confused here.
Have you forgotten the thread title Minxy, or what?
It is about benefits....remember? Jeeeeeze.
I was trying to bring the topic back on track, by showing the figures of parents claiming one benefit or another, with a brood of kids.
The cost is staggering and maybe the amount of benefits a person can claim, gets reduced the more children they have?
So someone with say six kids would suffer more than someone claiming for say three kids.
If you cannot afford kids then do not expect others to fecking fund your lifestyle choice!
Parents with multiple kids by usually a multitude of different Fathers, should be first in the line to have their benefits cut.

Quote by kentswingers777
I pay a shit load of council tax of which I use nothing, or very little out of my borough....I am also paying for other peoples kids schooling out of that.
I would like the choice to opt out of the NHS....I would save a fortune every year. I pay for private medical insurance so I would not be a burden on the system if I fell ill. So I pay twice for the same thing, I should like many others who pay twice, be allowed to opt out of the system.

You took it off track making these comments, I was just trying to find out your logic, but seems when asks your logic you avoid answering,
I apologise op for taking the thread off course, I have been told by 777 and shall behave now.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
NEARLY 100,000 people living on benefits have four or more children, new figures revealed last night.
The vast "shameless generation" includes more than 900 claimants with EIGHT or more children.
The figures lay bare how Britain's benefits culture has spawned an underclass of kids brought up on welfare.
Imagine for one second how much money is spent on these amounts of people, with their broods.
Of the 97,350 people on benefits who have four or more kids, 7,000 have six; 2,260 seven; and 910 eight or more. More than half of those with four or more - 56,490 - are on single parent benefits.
A further 23,410 claim incapacity benefit. The rest are on Jobseekers' Allowance.
I want to see this kind of mentality stopped, and the Mothers who have untold amounts of kids to take some form of responsibility.....I wonder how many of these people would have had any more than two kids IF there was not the benefits open to them?
I bet the population would shrink somewhat....maybe that is what is needed, a complete look at benefits for people who have a whole long line of kids.

And your point is?
Is that why you would rather opt out of the NHS system?
I think someones confused here.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

The thing is in all this is I don't know who I despise the most, Thatcherite I am all right Jack sod everyone else types

WHY are you still blaming Thatcher fgs??
Are you doing a Jethro Tull here?

Come on she was ousted over 20 years ago now. There have been other Tory leaders and 13 years of another party in power.
Why are you still harping on about a PM who left so long ago?
BUT btw.............
Thatcher's tenure as Prime Minister was the longest since that of Lord Salisbury and the longest continuous period in office since Lord Liverpool in the early 19th century.
She was the first woman to lead a major political party in the United Kingdom, and the first of only four women to hold any of the four great offices of state.
She holds a life peerage as Baroness Thatcher, of Kesteven in the County of Lincolnshire, which entitles her to sit in the House of Lords.
Must have done something right then eh?
Sounds very much to me as if you have been a tad influenced Minxy....some people are led astray very easily ya know.
I like the way you quoted one part of what I wrote and not all that sentence. You are so selective, I guess you didnt digest the rest of what I wrote.
I particularly loved the part where you state I have been a tad influenced, so funny as I guess you haven't been.
I just judge my beliefs on what I have witnessed and able to reflect in my own little weird mind and make my own opinions.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
:thumbup: from me on that kenty.
I watched his speech with a lump in my throat (which is much nicer than some have to suffer in England's second city.. usually a knife in their froat or a broken beer glass or bottle) and his customary rallying call at the end of his speech was marvellous.
I also think that his decision not to do the usual "gloat" and 5 minute standing ovation was the measure of the man. He is a true statesman and I think will rank amongst Britain's Best when history is written.

What I have noticed in all the parties whether you agree with them or not, is their age there are a lot of younger members talking look at all the leaders, their are some older wiser heads too in the background, but it is also good to see younger members stepping forward at least hopefully there will be some newer and fresher ideas.
Rather than stayed and stuck in the old parties ways.
I am finding politics a little more interesting recently

7 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
snip...
What I have heard so far from the Tory governments conference is it seems they might have learnt of the era of their ways, but I save judgement on that but then they do have Liberal influences there too. Maybe this is the changing of the old political ways.

:thumbup:
necessity is the mother of invention.
The thing is in all this is I don't know who I despise the most, Thatcherite I am all right Jack sod everyone else types, or People that want everything for nothing.
Luckily there are people around that stand somewhere in the middle, and I would rather stand with them. Just don't know for sure what party talks for them, hoping the new Government might give me the answers.
Maybe a new party will be formed between the two you might even get a few labour people joining them to, now thats a intersting thought. lol

lol

7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Er that is what I thought as well GNV.
I pay a shit load of council tax of which I use nothing, or very little out of my borough....I am also paying for other peoples kids schooling out of that.
I would like the choice to opt out of the NHS....I would save a fortune every year. I pay for private medical insurance so I would not be a burden on the system if I fell ill. So I pay twice for the same thing, I should like many others who pay twice, be allowed to opt out of the system.
If the millions who have private insurance did do that, the system would be even worse off financially than it already is.
Long live the better off.

I think you have just answered my questions I just asked in another thread. :thumbup:
So you paid to have your children privately schooled too?
You have used the NHS, dustman, roads, transport, police?

7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
kent some bedtime reading for you

Just so you can see some facts:thumbup:

Is that supposed to prove something, if so can you kindly tell me what exactly.
You said you have not seen any improvements since the last government took power and where the money got spent.
So there are some facts there which are facts and no news paper reports.
Money that has been spent, on the decaying infrastructure that the Tories left behind
But then in your mind the Tories done a great job and left us in a good economical position.
As I have said I am not a labour supporter based on my own experience growing up under both parties both of which caused me to question their capabilities to get a balance.
But as you seem to think the sun shines out of the backsides of the Tories, and they have not failed us either, I think for that you are very blinkered.
What would you prefer putting children in classes, people in hospitals where the windows were cracked paint falling of ceilings, no heating run down and uncared for.
But then maybe you are a true Tory that believed in letting that happen as you had private health care and sent your children to private school.
As that was what happening under your Government but lets not forget the economy was in great shape.
I just believe in community hospital and schools that we can all share. It breeds a community what we all part off. Some of us make the most of it, others just live there and close their front doors and don’t really give a damn.
What I have heard so far from the Tory governments conference is it seems they might have learnt of the era of their ways, but I save judgement on that but then they do have Liberal influences there too. Maybe this is the changing of the old political ways.

6 Oct 2010

kent some bedtime reading for you

Just so you can see some facts:thumbup:

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
In a lot of the threads in here there are claim and counter claim about how much the previous Labour Gov. spent, or overspent, and the resulting huge dept now owed by this Country.
So a couple of questions, hopefully some clever people on here can answer them;
1, If this Country and most of Europe and America have such huge debts, who was rich enough to lend us / them those massive amounts of money.
2, How big would the UK debt have been / what would be the state of the nations finances, if the banking crisis hadn't happened. ie if the bankers had got it right instead of getting it wrong and needing umpteen billions to bail them out.
John

There was never a pile of money as in notes, it is all figures as in debits and credits
Look towards the middle east and china and you may have your answer.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Diggdeep
hi do they call your dad allan mother pam

I would remove that, if I was you as I don't think it is allowed wink

wink

6 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I don't think I ever said I blame just the Tories, both I blame for their share of what we have now.
Lets not forget the banks in their part either, but I don't think Thatcher can be completely blameless and the Tory government for the longer term of what she drove.
Greed and wanting drove credit buy now pay later, well we all are now.

Why do you blame the Tories now after 13 years? More importantly are you and the lefties going to forever bang on about Thatcher? That was a long time ago now and you really need to move on from that rubbish.

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Did you parents live on credit card?
Fact Credit cards are a relatively recent invention. Until the 1980s, they didn’t play a prominent role in British life. I wonder why that is, have you ever thought about it?
Now a lot of people can not survive without them, but some think this to be the norm.

No they did not live on credit cards, and my Father has still never had one, nor has Mrs777's parents. Do not see the relevance there? There was still people borrowing money to people in the 40's, and people were borrowing it then and hiding behind the curtains when the man knocked on a Friday for his money....not many things have changed from then.
IF people cannot survive without credit cards it is not anyone else's fault but their own. Why are you saying, that people are not now responsible for their own debts?? How ridiculous. Why do people like yourself always look for others to blame, instead at the very feet of the people responsible?
Are you saying that people were forced to sign on the dotted lines for their credit cards? A gun held to their heads unless they spent on those cards? If people cannot afford to live within their means then tough shit when it all goes wrong....nobody's fault but their own.

Quote by Theladyisaminx
If there was more afordable housing maybe people would not have felt the need to buy which lead to the greeds of the banks selling on the subprime morgages that lead to their downfall. But Thatcher said we can have, o yes and you believe in her, I can not say she could have foreseen what would happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

What utter gobbly . Thatcher gave people an opportunity to own their own homes, what is so dreadful about that? Millions of people are still living in them to this day.
There will always be poor people who for whatever reason cannot afford the nicer things in life, that is life get on with it. People brought their own homes and I believe it was a fantastic opportunity for millions of people.
Affordable housing is only affordable to the people who can afford it. Sorry but a typical lefty attitude....do not let the more wealthy have everything, and give it all to the more needy. I say you make your own luck in this world and many people worked fecking hard to be able to afford to buy their homes...tough shit on those that could not.....that is life, get on with it.

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Part of the Labour downfall was bailing out the banks which I feel is what she started.

I really do not know where you are coming from here. Are you seriously telling us that Thatcher is to blame for the banks collapse, what after how many years? See what I mean about moving on from blaming Thatcher. People like yourself will still be blaming her in 2099 fgs.

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Labour should have hired a better accountant to keep their books, but if you say you can see no changes, the schools and hospitals that were built in the vicotria era, under the labour goverment no longer look old and worn out they have been refreshed. unless I live in a and around areas that spent all the money.

Refreshed? What a quids worth of debts and all you see is " refreshed "? Well obviously worth every penny they spent then.

Quote by Theladyisaminx
BTW do you live in an inner city?
As I do and we are doing ok.

No I do not live in an inner city....thank God.
You are hardly likely to say anything else, if you live in one.
I went from Catford through Lewisham, into New Cross then into Peckham only last week.
Not only are most foreigners who now live there, but the whole area is absolutely run down. The areas I went through are typical of inner London boroughs nowadays, and looking around as I did, if you really believe that they are ok, well you really are the one that is blinkered, or maybe you are just now used to it??
rotflmao

rotflmao

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So funny I didn't expect anything else from you to be honest.
I live within the borough of Lewisham and amongst the diversity of people that live here, and have found most of which have a heart, soul and the kind of outward view on life that I have. You get the bad apples but no matter where you live you can not avoid those.
I could have moved to a leafy suburb but it’s the people there and their narrow minded views of others that put me off raising my children there.
A lot of the schools have all had a complete rebuild around here, one of the leading teaching group of hospitals Kings, St Thomas, Guy’s Lewisham have had a lot of money spend as they were all suffering they accomodate people from miles with the specialities they have to offer, they were falling into a state.
Our parks have had investments too.
Transport has improved greatly, but then driving you wouldn’t see the benefits
I am not saying all is perfect but it a great deal better than it was.
Just because it isnt a place you would like to live, some of us choose to be here.
If that makes me a lefty because I believe in my community then I am proud to be one.
BTW don't forget I am a Liberal lefty that shares power.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
And years and years and years and years.................etc etc.
GNV.............in your opinion are people right to still blame the Tories after so many years of a Labour Government?
Or is it just deep rooted political bias?

No. Emphatically No!
After so many years when they could have changed things and they didn't, it is right for the new ConDem Alliance though to remind people just how bad the Labour administration was.
But let's hope that they don't do this right through their administration like Labour did through theirs. It was nauseating.
Perhaps the only time to remind them is when they get on their sanctimonious high horses and challenge the CDA spending plans or rather, the lack of money for spending plans and investment!
I agree with you there.
Lets hope they just channel their energy into doing what is right for this country and the people to get us back on track.
But I don't agree we cant reflect back on all the past and say all factors have an impact, that sometimes can take years to see, not just 13 years.
But thats why I say I might be naive and only blame can be put upon the last leading government.
But I think I will stay with my own naive thoughts in that case.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
So we base everything on financial standing?
I believe that to be a very blinkered view.

Blinkered?
lol

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Why are people still blaming the Tories after 13 yes I repeat 13 years of a Labour Government fgs?
We are in a huge mess now certainly more than we was 13 years ago....1 pounds worth of debt.
For that amount of debt can you honestly see any major improvements in our infrastructure? Have the hospitals improved greatly or the schools?
Bloody hell we even had a Chancellor in Brown who sold our gold reserves at about the cheapest price they had ever been, and now they are at their highest rates ever.....smart move Brown.
STOP blaming the Tories for the problems of today, the Labour Government have had three terms to put things right, IF they were ever wrong when they came back into power fgs.
If your views are not as blinkered as mine are, can you explain to all of us, our current debt problems, and why there is no fundamental improvements in our infrastructure.
I see hardly any difference for all that extra debt Brown got us involved in, and even the IMF ( Google it if you have not heard of them wink

wink

) and they stated many times that Brown was wrong to keep spending.
The only differences I see are the amount of foreigners there are now in the UK...ALL working ? Thought not.
Check the welfare bill when Labour came into power, and now check how much of our money is paid to the welfare budget.
Inner cities are almost on their knees!
I don't think I ever said I blame just the Tories, both I blame for their share of what we have now.
Lets not forget the banks in their part either, but I don't think Thatcher can be completely blameless and the Tory government for the longer term of what she drove.
Greed and wanting drove credit buy now pay later, well we all are now.
Did you parents live on credit card?
Fact Credit cards are a relatively recent invention. Until the 1980s, they didn’t play a prominent role in British life. I wonder why that is, have you ever thought about it?
Now a lot of people can not survive without them, but some think this to be the norm.
If there was more afordable housing maybe people would not have felt the need to buy which lead to the greeds of the banks selling on the subprime morgages that lead to their downfall. But Thatcher said we can have, o yes and you believe in her, I can not say she could have foreseen what would happen, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Part of the Labour downfall was bailing out the banks which I feel is what she started.
Labour should have hired a better accountant to keep their books, but if you say you can see no changes, the schools and hospitals that were built in the vicotria era, under the labour goverment no longer look old and worn out they have been refreshed. unless I live in a and around areas that spent all the money.
BTW do you live in an inner city?
As I do and we are doing ok.

6 Oct 2010

Flash

6 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Isn’t the state of this countries problems partly due to the fact of the conservative government being in power from 79-97 and saying all can have, mortgages boomed credit cards become more widely used. Banks then lent more people became more selfish and wanted, expected. Which drove the banks on more, they I believe caused the starting of the bubble, I don’t let labour off either, but I do believe they had no choice but to invest in the infrastructure Schools, Hospitals that were old grumbling and falling down.
I believe we are suffering now as a result of what both parties have contributed too so I can’t feel comfortable with either of these parties, they have both failed us and caused the problems we are all facing now.
Hopefully with two parties having to work together compromise as most relationship partnerships have to learn to do I feel is the only hope we have left, that they might find an more even balance.
what are you views?

Yes you are very naive Minx.
When Labour came into power way back in 1997, the economy was in great shape..

" But Mr Brown's critics point out that much of his success must be attributed to the lucky timing of his appointment: Mr Brown was fortunate in that he inherited a strong economy from the Tories".
This comment taken from this article way back in 2004 yes 2004 clearly states...
" Critics also see Mr Brown as a meddler whose actions have led to a sharp increase in red tape for business. And they hit out at what they see as an unsustainable rise in government spending, much of it based on a rise in borrowing.
These people knew then what the rest of us know now.
Labour inherited a country in pretty good financial standing, and at the end of it all we find ourselves almost skint.
If you cannot see the relevance in all that, then yes you are very naive.
So we base everything on financial standing?
I believe that to be a very blinkered view.
And the reason I say that, is.. We can all have money in the bank but our homes are crumbling because of lack of investment.
Or we can all replace a leaking roof and take a loan out to protect us from rain, cold ill health etc
When the Tories handed over, people say the economy was in great shape, but the infrastructure was falling down. There was no investments in community schools community hospitals, transport, etc etc which makes a community thrive.
I hope you have noticed the conservatives are now mentioning the word communities rather than self (seems the Libs have some power within their thoughts) they might have woken up a little, it is shame some of their hardened supporters still seem stuck in the Thatcher stance.
But I will wait and see what happens, as we can only reflect after an event.

6 Oct 2010

Isn’t the state of this countries problems partly due to the fact of the conservative government being in power from 79-97 and saying all can have, mortgages boomed credit cards become more widely used. Banks then lent more people became more selfish and wanted, expected. Which drove the banks on more, they I believe caused the starting of the bubble, I don’t let labour off either, but I do believe they had no choice but to invest in the infrastructure Schools, Hospitals that were old grumbling and falling down.
I believe we are suffering now as a result of what both parties have contributed too so I can’t feel comfortable with either of these parties, they have both failed us and caused the problems we are all facing now.
Hopefully with two parties having to work together compromise as most relationship partnerships have to learn to do I feel is the only hope we have left, that they might find an more even balance.
what are you views?

6 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
I can not understand how people can say or not say what others write on their profile to describe themselves. I do find this a very narrow minded view.
I read profiles, but I don’t make my judgement on them based on just that, as I have met some great people that have had very little on their profile as they like me, like to get to know the person before making a informed choice.

... but, you're an accountant!!
bolt

bolt

ermm bookkeeper actually :P
But that is just one of my attributes , but qualified in nothing.
Just call me Jack lol

lol

but not professional.

6 Oct 2010

I can not understand how people can say or not say what others write on their profile to describe themselves. I do find this a very narrow minded view.
I read profiles, but I don’t make my judgement on them based on just that, as I have met some great people that have had very little on their profile as they like me, like to get to know the person before making a informed choice.

6 Oct 2010

I read his autobiography a few years ago, from someone that had such a hard start in life to become someone that gave so much happiness back to so many.
What an inspirational man and legend
RIP

6 Oct 2010

Quote by flower411
We always check a profile before opening mail.
If the profile clearly isn`t what we are looking for, we don`t open the mail. We waste less time that way :thumbup:

Why do I feel that is a kinda compliment? lol

lol

2 Oct 2010

:laughabove: So funny Fem or should I just call you Inspector? lol

lol

2 Oct 2010

So sad to hear this news, I had never met the Somers but some people you just remember for the laughs they caused. I remember you from the chat rooms for your cheekiness and banter.
Mrs somers my thoughts are with you and your family.
Hopefully you can draw strength from the happy memories shared.
Minx
X

27 Sep 2010

Bambi I am not suprised at stupid o'clock in the morning lol

lol

Are you up yet?

27 Sep 2010

flow

27 Sep 2010

Now I would have called that intelligent rather than honest wink

wink

25 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe true Max but..........still lefty tree hugging Socialists, who were part of a Government that broke this country financially.
Of which we are all about to start paying for heavily.
As I said already......who cares?

I thought you used to accuse the liberals of tree huggers seem quiet a few Tories have liberal thoughts too, so you can not tarnish everyone the same.

25 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I believe intelligence is in how you apply the knowledge you have.

Does that count you in or out Minxy? lol

lol

I am still gaining knowledge, so I will tell you when I know wink

wink

25 Sep 2010

I believe intelligence is in how you apply the knowledge you have.
Knowledge can be gained in many areas within life and not just down to formal education.
I once asked a long time ago, in this forum what intelligence meant and someone responded what I have just said and it made complete sense to me, so have always since seen it that way.

17 Sep 2010

Hi, I think something happening in London is a good thing, although I dont think we will be able to make it, but just a suggestion would it be a good idea for the host to open a London Chat room just so as people can ask questions etc, saves on backwards and forewards pm's for those of us that have never been to one before.

16 Sep 2010