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Witchy
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Female, 56
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Quote by Theladyisaminx
Hi there
I have just found this link in the cafe forum
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/279560.html
It might be worth asking there, as there are a lot of techy geeks that read that thread.
Sorry I couldnt help more, I am afraid I ask all my techy questions there.
You've been had
Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe that is where society has gone wrong then?
When a child does not know what the " norm " is, what have they got to judge anything by?
Normal to a lot of people would be for a couple to have a child together, and raise it together. A married couple where a child is created by love for each other, and not to be given away like an old times have changed, but not always for the better.
I could never understand how a Mother can conceive a child and carry it for nine months, and then give it away. No matter who they are giving it too.
If a child does not understand what 'normal' is, then maybe they will not be judgemental anyway. That's not such a bad thing.
What is normal for a lot of people, is completely abhorrent to others. The couple love one another - that means the child will grow up in a loving, safe environment, with parents who have professions and are solvent. What's more, they aren't benefit cheats. Can't ask for much more than that.
I don't think anyone is asking for your opinion on surrogacy - and you don't have to understand it as it won't apply to you anyway. Not all women understand it either - as long as the ones who do it are content, no need to question their motives.
Hello Fb....you enjoying your seven weeks off?
Of course people can question their motives when they are giving away the most precious thing in life.....a child.
Most Mothers would find that utterly abhorrent, and to give a child away that you have carried for nine months, in itself asks questions about the of course questions can be asked about her motives.
You're quite right. It takes someone incredibly loving, giving, possibly even altruistic. Someone who understands what that child would mean to the recipient, and that that child would be given all the love they could ever need.
As far as I can see, there are two possible motivations for surrogacy. Love, and money. This appears to have been done for love.
I'm not expecting a response, you appear to have been struck with that nasty case of selective blindness which leaves you unable to respond to y points- again.
Quote by Riotandantony
I'm a great fan of good old fashioned down to earth raunchy striptease, as for instance practised by London's supreme stripper - Mouse - but what seems to have happened in recent years is that this has been swamped out by pole dancing and burlesque, nothing wrong with these two activities in themselves - but they're not the full monty.
Most pole dancing is very cliched with peroxide blond girls with orange tans and fake tits doing standardised moves to crap music, and the burlesque lot are too prissy to get their kit off and proffer their rude femininity in its full glory.
Compare this with a good stripper who is comfortable with and proud of flaunting her womanhood, and there is no contest !
Rant over ! What do you think ?
Oh, how wrong you are
Kenty, you're missing many things.
The ability to reason, to see sense, to think outside your red-topped box. The ability to remember your stance. Compassion, rationale, empathy. Perhaps a link or too. A mind of your own- without looking like the jaded hand puppet of a second rate bigoted shock jock. The intellect to argue without doing so "ad hominem"- accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a politically correct, loony lefty, sandal wearing, tree hugging yoghurt knitter. Mental capacity enough to grasp the logic of a given theory, and expand it to relate to other things. Vision in anything other than black and white. I could go on.
In fact, after listing all that, I've come to realise you must quite simply be one big vacuum.
*Yes, it was worth it.
The ability to reason, to see sense, to think outside your red-topped box. The ability to remember your stance. Compassion, rationale, empathy. Perhaps a link or too. A mind of your own- without looking like the jaded hand puppet of a second rate bigoted shock jock. The intellect to argue without doing so "ad hominem"- accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a politically correct, loony lefty, sandal wearing, tree hugging yoghurt knitter. Mental capacity enough to grasp the logic of a given theory, and expand it to relate to other things. Vision in anything other than black and white. I could go on.
In fact, after listing all that, I've come to realise you must quite simply be one big vacuum.
*Yes, it was worth it.
Quote by kentswingers777
Kent, you're a swinger arguing the case for the "norm."
Somewhere in Cyberwebspace there's a forum, and people are typing stuff like this:
"...as for those wife swapping sorts, bloody perverts! What about their kids? Can you imagine the damage it does to them not being bought up in a normal environment?"
Before you vote for Norman Normal- think carefully. If he gets into power, he may well outlaw you.
I fully agree that what we do is not the " norm " to a lot of people.
The difference is that I really do not give give a seconds toss about what people think of me or more importantly, what I do in private.
I am not interfering with anybodys life, I am not possibly damaging anyones life, or any childrens lives.
Of course my kids would not understand how we either fuck other people, or guys come here to fuck mrs777. But hey if they found out then it is up to us what we do. The same obviously could be said about the child in this case.
Of all the people that I know who have spoken about this case, they think bringing a child up in a gay relationship, will not benefit the child in any way. They have also said that a child thinking this is the " norm " is also not right.
As I have stated for myself I am in two minds because I can see negatives as well as positives.
I do not think though that comparing what I do in the swinging scene, can in any way be compared to this story, that to me is a strange comparrison.
Can you not expand the logic?
I, and other forumites fought a 4/5 day long running battle on a thread in 'nillaville recently with a bunch of people- one in particular likened swinging to Paedophillia- who considered "us" to be lesser people, lesser parents, and lesser partners.
This is simply another side to the same coin.
Consider this, your kids are still at school- and your nocturnal activities get found out by the local busybody. It gets out. It spreads around the school like wildfire. Your kids are ostracised. Suddenly, the sleepover is off. They're bullied. The party invitation is withdrawn...their lives are hell.
Whats to blame? Your sexual choices, surely? Or the small mindedness of the people and their reactions?
With gay people- they haven't even chosen to be gay. They just are. Are they lesser people for it? Less able to parent?
Mother nature intended than the product of M + F = B. Mother nature also made gays. I'd prefer, as it happens, that Fred & Bob took on a child from within the care system- but I'd also prefer Arthur & Sally to do that too.
You can't say in one breath that you're not homophobic- but deny two gay people the right to procreate with "help" that you'd give to straight people.
I have gay friends who'd make fab dads. I have straight friends who would make lousy parents. I have straight friends who'd make fab parents. If they fell into the "fab" category, I'd donate eggs etc to them regardless of gender. My decision would be based on their ability to parent.
Would you advocate people not breeding because they were likely to have kids with ginger hair? Be too tall? Too short?
All of these things are as likely to result in bullying as having gay parents. Extend the logic.
And Splen, it's not me who's wrong my little nest of vipers- you've clearly lost the plot. Not all your friends are gay.
I give less than a shit what "people" in general think of me. There are a handful of folks who's opinions matter to me. A small number of them reside here- and I think they know who they are.
The thing is, somewhere along the way if you try to be Pauline Popular you're likely to end up compromising your own principles- and then would you like yourself?
The thing is, somewhere along the way if you try to be Pauline Popular you're likely to end up compromising your own principles- and then would you like yourself?
Quote by foxylady2209
Good idea, legalise it.
Then it can be taxed.
The money can be used to make free prescriptions available. Again.
After all, why should a course of antibiotics cost me when the actual cost to the nhs, at the point of sale, is ?
Or a ventolin inhaler at when the cost to the nhs is ?
I should care what drug addicts have to pay ?
Anyone who needs drugs to get their jollies has more problems than worrying about legality.
Like: worrying about whether their brain is working.
I hear you about the prescriptions - especially generics like antibiotics.
And can I assume from your last 2 lines that you are a tee-total, non-smoker?
Don't forget non tea, coffee, coke etc etc drinker Foxy...
Kent, you're a swinger arguing the case for the "norm."
Somewhere in Cyberwebspace there's a forum, and people are typing stuff like this:
"...as for those wife swapping sorts, bloody perverts! What about their kids? Can you imagine the damage it does to them not being bought up in a normal environment?"
Before you vote for Norman Normal- think carefully. If he gets into power, he may well outlaw you.
Somewhere in Cyberwebspace there's a forum, and people are typing stuff like this:
"...as for those wife swapping sorts, bloody perverts! What about their kids? Can you imagine the damage it does to them not being bought up in a normal environment?"
Before you vote for Norman Normal- think carefully. If he gets into power, he may well outlaw you.
Quote by Thebonediggers
would like to big up a certain Witchy for being there and listening to me spout utter crap, just when I needed someone
....and to Mrs NWC for being able a new purchse at the weekend....and for looking incredible too!
oh and to Mr Bone too for being my rock, and an amzing guy to boot! xxx
Shaddup, I have a reputation to uphold.
