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I think myself and Hot have pretty much summed up why we need a deterrent in these very dangerous times.
We have to be able to defend ourselves from attack, and the ones with the biggest guns usually win.
Pakistan is another region that is in turmoil and they DO have nuclear weapons.
It is only a matter of time before Iran do too, and the President of Iran has already said that " he would wipe Israel off the face of the Earth ".....a worrying statement from a leader of a country not far away from having their own weapons.
I would much prefer for the UK to be able to defend itself properly, against a threat from any other country, should the need ever arise.
If we do not have a proper form of defence from attack, then we may just as well have no Army either......dangerous people out there in this world with a ever growing threat of attack by any one of them with a nutter in charge like Iran.

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ok i will admit as he said it i thought oooo no no we can't get rid of that but as the day has gone on i'm thinking go on then why do we really need it so go on then you wonderfully opinionated bunch educate me tell me why we REALLY need it and that is genuine not patronising so i would appreciate not being patronised myself please

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Mine has gone now too, Thanks Bouncy!
anyhow, what's wrong with randoms?
eh eh?
lp

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For those of us old enough to remember, labour Governments leave a legacy of Quango's and civil service over employment. This government is no different as the government is managing almost every aspect of daily living from education to armed forces to health to the way we travel around.
A few things struck a chord with me yesterday in the debate:
1) The Police station in Hull about to buy a new £72,000 car (I often watch Police Interceptors on Sky and wonder at the need for such vehicles).
2) 400 Uniformed Police officers employed in HR duties.
3) Headmasters receiveing 4,000 pages of instructional emails every year (who writes them?)
4) 17 Army Brigadiers for every Brigade in the Army
5) Local maternity hospitals closing yet NHS managers get a 7% pay rise.
These things are happening NOW and it is too late for Gordon Brown to say that things will change, there has been 13 years of government and two and a half years of recession to make those savings. I believe that Cameron missed his opportunity to ram the potential for cost savings message down our throats because it was clear on almost every topic that there is wastage. Yes, he mentioned it frequently but there were no facts and figures to support what he was saying.
As for the Liberals, I can't take anyone seriously who would contemplate removing the UK's independant nuclear deterrant in these dangerous times:thumbup:.

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You should be so lucky! I don't even get a little "ping" from this Site.
Plim :sad:

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a hung parliament is when no one party has more mps than all the rest put togeather,so passing laws has to be done by getting the other parties to the tories have the most mps they will probably ask the northern irish unionists to support them,but the unionists will want something in that northern ireland is relativly stable now this will not be good for peace over there.
Labour would probably try to get the welsh/scottish nationalists,again they would want "bribes" for there support.
The party with the most mps would be the government,but not very powerful.
Not everyone thinks this would be such a bad thing!

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In terms of Clegg,the Tories need to win a number of seats from the lib dems to get a workable majority,Government voters tend to be very "sticky" apparently,(yes living with A government graduate and psephology nut at a time like this is fab).Clegg getting the chance to be known and listened too might really effect the result in some key in the majority of the country the seat will not change.

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It's taken me a little while to post on this thread as one of my heroes is both revered and hated across the world in equal measure, so there will probably be a similar split on here.
So, my hero is none other than Ernesto "Che" Guevara, revolutionary, guerrilla leader, doctor, author, intellectual, diplomat and to me probably one of the most important and controversial figures of the 20th century.
El Che, was a highly inspirational and controversial figure. He is seen by his followers as a charismatic, decent human being. A brave man who led people not only by using lofty ideals but, by resorting to lead people by example. However, aside from all this El Che was also, just like all of us, a flawed human being. He was stubborn, arrogant and to a certain extend a bit self deluded. Not in his capacity to lead and inspire people but in his passionate and unwavering belief that Socialism would unite all the disadvantaged people's of the world and on his mission to eradicate social injustice.
It was his arrogance and stubbornness that, in my opinion, during his last campaign in Bolivia caused him to antagonise the Bolivian Communist Party (whose support he needed to start another revolution) that left him and his troupe isolated which ultimately resulted in his demise.
As a boy growing up in Latin America I saw El Che as a Hero who stood up against American imperialism and left a lasting legacy to this day.

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In terms of Clegg,the Tories need to win a number of seats from the lib dems to get a workable majority,Government voters tend to be very "sticky" apparently,(yes living with A government graduate and psephology nut at a time like this is fab).Clegg getting the chance to be known and listened too might really effect the result in some key in the majority of the country the seat will not change.

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too many speeches,but if it gets people interested in politics,it must be a good thing.
i think clegg definately came off best.

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well i can see this from the other side
back in our early days a guy on here approached us to join him and a single girlfriend of his which we did and spent a very enjoyable afternoon with them and during our time with them found they were not a real couple he was a married guy and she was his swing buddy
at this point couples swinging was relatively new to us we started swinging to enjoy mmf and as much as we had enjoyed our time with them both i was particularly taken with the guys tongue skills he was the first guy we had played with that i had enjoyed as much as my husband so thought that i would rather like the opportunity to enjoy that tongue again also it had ended up being more of a soft swap afternoon and i really fancied fucking this guy which was something that played on my mind for a while after as i'm sure many would admit they have walked away from a meet thinking ohhh i would love to of ......
so a couple of days later when he popped up on my msn i just asked does he swing solo or is it purely a couples thing for them
now i do not see that i actually did anything wrong i was simply asking a question i am a firm believer that if you do not know something yet wish to ask!
he said he wasn't sure as it hadn't come up before, now this to me would be a no then as if he had to ask his swing buddy then they were obviously more than just swing buddys so i just said don't worry about it
he then asked his swing buddy how she would feel and to say she opened a can of whoop ass on him is an understatement she kicked his arse and had a right go at me too
now this i never quite got
you may think i was impolite to ask but how would i know their situation if i hadn't asked?
and why did she go so mad the guy was honest with her he didn't have to be he wasn't honest with his wife about her so u would of thought she would of at least appreciated that fact
don't know if this will help u see it from the other side or not but was worth a try
and anyone who knows us as swingers would tell you we are very respectfull of others relationships and swinging boundries so try not to judge the other couple so harshly

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could have been. lovely view.
lp

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Jon Gaunt......
A man not afraid to speak his mind, which is usually right anyway.
So afraid of him that Question time lost their bottle, but still got Griffin on there.
Will wait for the inevitable.............here it comes.

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Oooooooooooooooh! :giggle:
Apologies if I touched a nerve... of course I can only speak from the experience with the people I work with. My slur was against them, not everyone with a degree! Just to clarify!
Some of them graduated with honours. Sadly not in common sense!
And by the same token... those people I work with who have degrees, think that 20 years experience count for nothing so I dare say we could all take offense to some degree or another! :mrgreen:

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Jon Gaunt......
A man not afraid to speak his mind, which is usually right anyway.
So afraid of him that Question time lost their bottle, but still got Griffin on there.
Will wait for the inevitable.............here it comes.

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Oooooooooooooooh! :giggle:
Apologies if I touched a nerve... of course I can only speak from the experience with the people I work with. My slur was against them, not everyone with a degree! Just to clarify!
Some of them graduated with honours. Sadly not in common sense!
And by the same token... those people I work with who have degrees, think that 20 years experience count for nothing so I dare say we could all take offense to some degree or another! :mrgreen: