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duncanlondon
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 47
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I think its only worth reading one newspaper a week at the most, usually one of the weekenders. the rest of the week the same articles and opinions are recycled and represented on different days.
Their role continues as news providers for the different sections of society. in this they use different languages and intellect.
oddly enough the majority are all produced in the same print factory. there must be times when the staff of one newspaper do overtime for another or even a competitor.
Their role continues as news providers for the different sections of society. in this they use different languages and intellect.
oddly enough the majority are all produced in the same print factory. there must be times when the staff of one newspaper do overtime for another or even a competitor.
Quote by Max777
there's been a bit of drama thrown in there to open up the debate. the purpose to see the bigger picture. because if you constrain a debate within a narrow set of conditions then its no more than a set of procedures to a perceived conclusion. ie everyone agrees because there seems to be no way forward.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
Drama being the operative word.
So a single topic such as the banning of bullfighting can not be debated due to it being within a narrow set of conditions and everyone would be in agreement? Sorry but that's utter rubbish.
At least a tabloid quote would be comprehensible, unlike a load of pretentious gabble.
well forget about it then
there's been a bit of drama thrown in there to open up the debate. the purpose to see the bigger picture. because if you constrain a debate within a narrow set of conditions then its no more than a set of procedures to a perceived conclusion. ie everyone agrees because there seems to be no way forward.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
Does it really matter what the reason behind the ban is? Surely the fact that it has been banned can only be a good thing?
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparible are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
Why not just be pleased that a barbaric sport, whether an ingrained part of Spanish culture or not, has been banned in part of Spain.
It does matter because without the reason it may not have happened. you're pleased and the reason is?
I suppose we have to consider human rights before aniaml rights then? meanwhuile another species becomes extinct, whilst we dither about feeling pleased with ourselves.
Well if the Catalans can ban a dearly belove 'sport' we can show eqaul willing to do something similar. then the catalans can ban anything else nasty that they do, as can the rest of the world. then we will all be happy. being exclusive is no reason to skirt around the issue.
What about flyswatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of themself and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
And what about walking across heathland in summer. there must be hundreds of insects underfoot, being crushed by a doc marten boot? its a diabolical liberty on wildlife.
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparible are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
Why not just be pleased that a barbaric sport, whether an ingrained part of Spanish culture or not, has been banned in part of Spain.
It does matter because without the reason it may not have happened. you're pleased and the reason is?
I suppose we have to consider human rights before aniaml rights then? meanwhuile another species becomes extinct, whilst we dither about feeling pleased with ourselves.
Well if the Catalans can ban a dearly belove 'sport' we can show eqaul willing to do something similar. then the catalans can ban anything else nasty that they do, as can the rest of the world. then we will all be happy. being exclusive is no reason to skirt around the issue.
What about flyswatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of themself and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
And what about walking across heathland in summer. there must be hundreds of insects underfoot, being crushed by a doc marten boot? its a diabolical liberty on wildlife.
Fishing must qualify as a blood sport surely?
You know you see these magazines and programmes of some jovial looking fellow as he reels in another 'monster' from the deep. With a hearty cheer he weighs it and looks very pleased with himself. the triumph of ingenuity and technology over the trout etc.
or is there a difference between hot and cold blolod sports?
is the blood in the 'sport' or in the killing?
and why would you want to frighten a fish near to death and then let it go? what kind of sporty feeling is that? power over the pike? terrorising the tench?
no sportsman run about in reeboks. anyone doing anything with animals needs to have a good or bad reason for it.
You know you see these magazines and programmes of some jovial looking fellow as he reels in another 'monster' from the deep. With a hearty cheer he weighs it and looks very pleased with himself. the triumph of ingenuity and technology over the trout etc.
or is there a difference between hot and cold blolod sports?
is the blood in the 'sport' or in the killing?
and why would you want to frighten a fish near to death and then let it go? what kind of sporty feeling is that? power over the pike? terrorising the tench?
no sportsman run about in reeboks. anyone doing anything with animals needs to have a good or bad reason for it.
I thought this thread was about the banning of bullfighting in Catalonia........
well threads chop and change. but it looks as if pressure from activist groups has worked in this case. Bull fighting is such a recognisable part of the Spanish culture that it must have taken a major shift in opinion to make this change.
Or was it just a political manouevre because of the difference between Spain and Catalan? perhaps the Catalans want to from their own coountry?
so what are they going to do with all those baby bulls that were being reared for fighting? probably end up in a seeded bun?
But for us in the UK to make some kind of comparable change we would need to ban not only fox hunting, but deer and game shooting (which is big business in Scotland) and probably comes with Royal approval.
we could include fishing (perish the thought). we'd have to close the zoos. etc.
Then we'd need to look at agriculture and see if the animals were getting a fair deal. well they're not, they are getting eaten.
then the pet industry would be in trouble and we would have hungry rottweillers being abandoned in toweer blocks where they could savage children on their way to school.
then people would begin to feel genuine hunger and they would no longer consider things in quite the same way. they would eat anything.
well threads chop and change. but it looks as if pressure from activist groups has worked in this case. Bull fighting is such a recognisable part of the Spanish culture that it must have taken a major shift in opinion to make this change.
Or was it just a political manouevre because of the difference between Spain and Catalan? perhaps the Catalans want to from their own coountry?
so what are they going to do with all those baby bulls that were being reared for fighting? probably end up in a seeded bun?
But for us in the UK to make some kind of comparable change we would need to ban not only fox hunting, but deer and game shooting (which is big business in Scotland) and probably comes with Royal approval.
we could include fishing (perish the thought). we'd have to close the zoos. etc.
Then we'd need to look at agriculture and see if the animals were getting a fair deal. well they're not, they are getting eaten.
then the pet industry would be in trouble and we would have hungry rottweillers being abandoned in toweer blocks where they could savage children on their way to school.
then people would begin to feel genuine hunger and they would no longer consider things in quite the same way. they would eat anything.
Also a good deal of the excess inhuman suffering is brought about by overproduction of livestock. people no longer consume the whole beast, they just want the best cuts. the rest is turned into pet food.
and there you have another paradox. the pets we love so much eat the other beasts we feel shouldn't be treated so badly.
and there you have another paradox. the pets we love so much eat the other beasts we feel shouldn't be treated so badly.
perhaps no one has discussed this, or is conveniently avoided or simply unaware of. But what do you expect happens to those 'rescued' animals?
what kind of care can a diy activist offer a beagle with a window in its skull? or how does the activist care for an animal addicted to crack cocaine? etc.
say a few score that have been liberated from an experiment clinic, with a variety of horrendous conditions; not very well probably.
and then the power over life or death is handed over to the activist at some point. what do you think is the most likely outcome?
what kind of care can a diy activist offer a beagle with a window in its skull? or how does the activist care for an animal addicted to crack cocaine? etc.
say a few score that have been liberated from an experiment clinic, with a variety of horrendous conditions; not very well probably.
and then the power over life or death is handed over to the activist at some point. what do you think is the most likely outcome?
well some of these animal rights groups are just as extreme as terrorists. they call for animal rights, but its just a disguise for their own form of blood sports. which is hunting humans, who they'd prefer to kill, but some how stop short of doing.
so the 'sport' is still there with the motivation of these extreme types. where else can you find that kind of blood lust? not even in the bull fighting ring.
so its all very well thinking someone is doing something 'good', but that may not be the case. their methods and motivation may be quite the opposite.
so the 'sport' is still there with the motivation of these extreme types. where else can you find that kind of blood lust? not even in the bull fighting ring.
so its all very well thinking someone is doing something 'good', but that may not be the case. their methods and motivation may be quite the opposite.
Well, all very pc etc.
But what kind of world are we going to have without something to disagree about? When supposedly all things and everyone has been taken into consideration.
How effing boring it will be then. Which is probably why bullfighting was invented.
But I don't have an issue for it or against it. I did farming for a while and you see worse things than bullfighting. Like when the vets fuck things up. Or people neglect the animals. Or the animals just go wild or lose it and end up hurting themselves.
Also remember that 'in the wild' some animals fight to the death, as do humans. So I can see where the idea of it being a sport or an art comes in.
But what kind of world are we going to have without something to disagree about? When supposedly all things and everyone has been taken into consideration.
How effing boring it will be then. Which is probably why bullfighting was invented.
But I don't have an issue for it or against it. I did farming for a while and you see worse things than bullfighting. Like when the vets fuck things up. Or people neglect the animals. Or the animals just go wild or lose it and end up hurting themselves.
Also remember that 'in the wild' some animals fight to the death, as do humans. So I can see where the idea of it being a sport or an art comes in.
But its also monitors bad behaviours too. So that you don't do illegal or antisocial things.
So its very useful when you recognise that it will produce a result.
But successful people are usually aware of this ability in themselves quite early in life. It's the headstart they get to become successful.
Also a lot of 'success' is actually already in place by a background support network and good financing and investment. It just needs the most likely person to fufill the role and create a 'story' to go with it.
So I see the motivational thing as an inspiration for some people to keep them striving and producing, which is all to the benefit of those who already know who the winners will be.
So its very useful when you recognise that it will produce a result.
But successful people are usually aware of this ability in themselves quite early in life. It's the headstart they get to become successful.
Also a lot of 'success' is actually already in place by a background support network and good financing and investment. It just needs the most likely person to fufill the role and create a 'story' to go with it.
So I see the motivational thing as an inspiration for some people to keep them striving and producing, which is all to the benefit of those who already know who the winners will be.
