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foxylady2209
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Female, 60
Straight Male, 56
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I want a 'no idea' option as I would never spend any of my precious time to listen to a lying thieving bastard like Osborn and I haven't caught any discussions about my specific circumstances.
I'd also like GNV and Starlight to stop bickering. It disrupts the thread for those who want to discuss the original subject and it's childish and unpleasant to have to scroll through to get to the next sensible post.
Just to start a discussion - please, please don't turn it into a slanging match.
What does equality look like to you?
For me - in a more or less ideal world:
Equality is not about treating everyone the same. It is about treating everyone appropriately.
It is about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to support themselves and their families and then the opportunity to work towards their dreams. It is about giving those that need it a single hand-up to independence or a life-time of support - or something in between, whichever is needed.
Any thoughts?
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Get a sense of humour people - please wink

Sorry, I really didn't spot your post as humourous. I thought you really felt that way.
Seems perfectly sensible. That and the arm raising thing. I would certainly ask a member of my family to smile or do the other checks if I thought they were having a stroke. Better to ask an apparently silly question than delay intervention and increase the resultant damage.
The worrying thing is that people are given power and a say in the world stage just because they are leaders of some religious group or other. Why does anyone outside the Catholic Church give a toss what the new fella thinks?
The problem is, of course, is that they can only, must only push their own beliefs on the rest of us. Which is inherently wrong in a secular government or secularly governed society. Religious rules cannot and must not be applied to people who are not members of that specific sect. It's like the thing about keeping shops shut on Sundays. It was never to protect the workers - it was to match the ridiculous and hypocritical rules of the Christian Church. Hypocritical cos their own staff - vicars etc - are the ones working on a Sunday FFS. Protecting the workers only required working days in contracts to be limited to 5 or 6 a week (or out of any given 7) and which days are taken off is agreed with the business.
A regular problem that we get - not just here, it was the same in Germany last week - is perfectly drivable snow packing down and then freezing overnight to a white, lumpy ice-rink. I have a solution. A removable fitting on a gritting lorry or just about any snow-friendly large, heavy vehicle, that comprises a rigid roller, wrapped in a thick layer of resilient material - such as dense rubber - into which short, blunt metal studs are fitted. The studs will flex into the rubber without damaging the road surface and break up the packed snow. This allows the salt to work its way in and the rest of the traffic to work the broken pieces into slush. It would roll at its own speed, it doesn't need a drive-gear of any kind and could be on an adjustable frame that would cope with 2 to 12 inches of depth.
Any entrepreneurs out there fancy making this happen?
The problem we have with gritters and "councils not reacting correctly" is that in a hard snowfall the grit is simply buried and takes ages to have any effect from underneath. Gritting onto a few inches of loose snow isn't much better. It has most effect if it goes down onto/before frost or onto clear road before a steady snowfall that gives it time to melt the snow before it gets overwhelmed.
What you are discussing is the sexualisation of the officially sanctioned physical abuse of children. That may be your fantasy - but I'd keep it to yourself if I were you.
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I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone choosing to switch to Catholicism. .

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Tony Blair was a recent high profile convert to Catholicism!

So that answered your question.
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As I understand it the basic premise is "You were born evil, you will burn in hell, you must confess every non-permitted thought to a possible and you will sill burn in hell unless said possible says he has taken your 'sins' away just before you die."

As an atheist myself with no religious agendas at all, I did not think you was a believer in what the gutter press writes Foxy, and I think your comments are very unfair.
Vicars and Priests etc do a great deal of work for their church and their communities. It is completely unfair to label them all in the category as you describe above. They have given up their lives for their church and their beliefs, and I kinds admire them for that.
The word 'possible' in my post clearly indicates that I do not label all Catholic priests as paedophiles. But there have been far too many instances of the vile creatures coming to light to imagine there won't be any more.
Jimmy Saville did a lot for the community. dunno
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I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone choosing to switch to Catholicism. .

Tony Blair was a recent high profile convert to Catholicism!
I wonder why he did. Politicians are not known for believing in anything but their own egos. dunno
OK I'm an atheist and wouldn't join a religion if they paid hard cash (I'd fake it for a couple of weeks for the money though) but of all of the options within the Christian church (why are there options - only one can be right?) Catholicism has got to be the most unforgiving, unsupportive, judgemental of the lot. Sounds like a miserable plae to be if you know you are less than perfect (as we all are).
As I understand it the basic premise is "You were born evil, you will burn in hell, you must confess every non-permitted thought to a possible and you will sill burn in hell unless said possible says he has taken your 'sins' away just before you die."
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at the risk of offending lots of people, do we prefer babes non smoking, proportionately amazing and looking after themselves or:
50 a day, bbw............. or just fat?
And girls, come on let's have your views too! Fat, unshaven, doesn't know the difference between primark and selfridges.....
but does it matter?

If you judge your potential partner's sexual ability by how they look or if they smoke you are either going to be regularly disappointed or missing out on a hell of a lot of good fun/sex. It's the same as judging their ability to wire a plug by what car they drive and about as useful.
I'm overweight and FANTASTIC in bed. The two are not connected. :giggle:
Anyone else get their kicks from classical or music more than 50 years old? I love the loud stuff - O Fortuna (Carl Orff) or the Dies Ire (Days of Wrath) from Verdi's Requiem - real belting down the motorway in a thunderstorm music. biggrin
That's not to say I don't enjoy the new stuff - Meatloaf has the best love song ever - "I'd do anything for love".
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OK ...who`s up for a prediction ? lol
I reckon that within six months the new boy will condone the use of condoms to help reduce the spread of Aids .
Anybody else got any ideas as to how they`re going to try to gain popularity ?

Why would they be looking for 'popularity'? Since they obviously think they are the only right thinkers where religion is concerned and the rest of the world's population are wrong and will burn in hell. I don't think popular comes into it.
As for the condoms - I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone choosing to switch to Catholicism. I think breeding their own and brainwashing them from birth is the only way they get new members. Not sure if that is keeping up with the ones who walk away from the cant and hate that is the core of Catholic teaching.
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SMOKIING is more fun than sex
lol
Are you sure?

I think they may be doing one of them wrong. dunno :giggle:
I have some formal qualifications and a brain full of what is often useless unless I am in some weird pub-quiz. Like knowing how most sweets are made. What the hell use is that since I don't work in the confectionery industry?
I really do love knowing how things are made and how they work. From engineering to food to languages.
I also love sharing info and often forget that people may not be as interested as I am in a particular subject. So apologies to all those that have had a brain-dump off me.
I'm not answering (as I am an atheist) but I would like to comment that I find such questions very interesting.
There is something called (I think) cognitive dissonance which describes the ability to hold mutually exclusive or conflicting opinions/feelings. Humans are fascinating and complex creatures, aren't they?
My son was bullied very badly. He was physically thrown of the school bus. I had letters from the school complaining that he had hit someone - I found out from the other children that he had been fighting off a group of bigger lads who, every day that week, had taken his school bag and emptied it over the outside steps. Did I get a letter about this or what they were going to do about it? Did I buggery.
The school's answer was to put HIM under the school psych person trying to teach him how to cope with the bullies (which meant to accept what they were doing to him without making a fuss that the teachers would have to actually deal with). No bully was EVER punished for their violence to my son. No, in that school nothing had changed in the last 30 years at all. They have an anti-bullying policy and if you complain that your child is bullied, they will send you a copy. That, apparently, concluded their responsibility. Do I sound bitter? Are you surprised? It took him learning Judo, growing 6 inches and decking the bullies a few times for them to lay off the physical stuff. The emotional bullying continued.
I'm going to have to walk away from this thread - it's too upsetting. If you feel that forcing children to conform, conform, conform is good for them, fine - I don't.
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Where did I say that uniforms/clothing was the sole cause of bullying Foxy?
By all means 'bless my innocent heart' in such a condescending manner all you like, but I still believe in 'removing opportunities' for bullying. If just one child escapes the cruelty that bullying inflicts by having a uniform policy then it has achieved something.
Of course, there are many other reasons why people are bullied, and it doesn't just stop at the school gates. It continues to feature at every stage through life. But that isn't a reason why schools should not try to reduce just one cause is it?

I made 2 points. First - it has little effect on the opportunities for bullying. Second - uniform itslef is not in fact uniform. And those in cheaper or second-hand uniform are just as much targets as those who turn up in last year's trainers.
I made a 3rd point which I think is far more important than the presence or otherwise of some random, draconian clothing rules - every school has bullying and few schools have any idea how to actually prevent it and just pretend that having an 'anti-bullying policy' fixes anything.
I apologise for sounding condescending - it wasn't my intent. But I really do have foul memories of the kids who were allowed to be bullies at my schools and the inadequacy (and evident disinterest) of the teachers in protecting kids form harm and focussing on whether someone was wearing a skirt made with 4 panels of fabric or 6. Seriously - THAT was one of the 'uniform' rules at my oh-so-up-itself grammar school.
I rarely like 'porn' films. I like well produced actual sex with real people not swollen mouthed, fake-everything, orange-tanned bimbos pouting all over the place.
I also like erotic 'actual' films such as Dirty Dancing, Ghost and Game of Thrones - plenty there.
What I really like is well written erotic fiction. THAT really gets me warm around the ears. I've had a go myself and really enjoyed writing it - to the point of having to have a lie down once or twice during the process. :giggle:
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If children are uniform then no one can become a target for not having the best trainers etc. Surely removing opportunities for bullying helps to maintain discipline.

Bless your innocent heart. You actually believe that absence of uniform is why children get bullied? Or even a main reason? How about these for reasons:
Being taller than average,
Being shorter than average,
Being overweight,
Being clever,
Being slow,
Being from the 'wrong' part of town,
Having ginger hair,
Having NHS glasses,
Having freckles,
Having an older sibling that was bullied by the same bastards,
Preferring reading to twittering over make-up,
Having 1 parent,
Having 2 parents (depends on the school)
Unusual accent,
Unusual skin colour,
Any form of medical condition,
Crying when hit,
Whether or not there is a uniform policy has very little impact on the fact that there is bullying at every single school.
Not that everyone has the same quality of uniform of course - poor people still wear hand-me downs and believe me THAT is an excellent reason to get the shit kicked out of you on the school bus.
How do I know this? Me, my brother and my son have suffered bullying for all but 3 of the above reasons.
You know something - I think I may have 'school issues'. :giggle:
It's not abuse. It IS crap English. Granted that doesn't matter to a lot of people - I treat bad English the same as others treat poorly filled out profile - ignore the content and move on. It's also factually incorrect. This is NOT a site just 'for couples to have fun and meet'. It is a site for any adult - single, couple or otherwise, to use whether it is without communicating with others, or to communicate with others or to meet - whatever is their personal choice. There are no criteria about pleasing others and having to comply with random strangers' assumptions about how you should use the site.
What seems clear is that YOU are not using the site according to THEIR wishes - well stuff 'em. You're not on here to please random people that have never bothered to say hello.
We don't have a uniform as such at work. What we have is the option of wearing polo shirts or 'normal' shirts with our names on. Provided by the company. Or you can wear what you like so long as it is according to the (as far as I know) unwritten dress code of 'clean, tidy, professional'.
The classic 'shirt and tie' is not automatically smart - having seen some people that look like they've slept in theirs, nor is it the only way of looking smart and professional. And is only relevant to males anyway - no more than 50% of the workforce.
I agree that at school there is sense in having a uniform look but that can be achieved in many ways. Sadly so many head teachers seem to be a) completely out of touch with the real world and b) on a personal power trip wielding the power just short of life and death over children. They seem to make up ridiculous uniform rules then deprive children of their eduction for 'flouting' them.
Ties, at all? For kids? wtf? For school, clothing should be robust, wash'n'wear, comfortable (comfy fit, natural fabrics) stain/scuff resistant and none of that 'buy it from a single supplier at 4 times the price of the same thing in Asda but with a logo on it' crap. Sell the logos as iron/sew on patches and let parents with enough money worries source the clothes where suits their income.
For 6th form (do they still have them or is it all NVQs nowadays?) and college I can see the idea of moving youngsters onto 'workplace' style clothing but shirt and tie is still only worn in a limited set of workplaces. So common sense should prevail.
And as for the OP - I have no opinion on clip on ties since I am female and see ties as pointless, functionless decoration anyway. dunno
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It is only 24 years ago that i left school at just under 16 and went to work at the Co Op on a YTS scheme, i worked 39 hours a week for , i got valuable work experience and the only promise i had was that the scheme was for 2 years, if after 2 years there was a permanent position then it would be mine.
I worked hard,listened and learned and after 18 months was offered the job on a full time basis, i had been trained to do a job and do it well and it sure as hell did me no harm.
Why should people be allowed to sit on their arses all day and be paid to do so, far too many people these days think that they are owed a living and far too many benefits are paid to people who have been brought up to think this way.
Maybe big companies are getting employees on the cheap but in the main those companies are willing to give these youngsters a chance to have some work experience, give them some training, and maybe get some work ethics into them..........

The majority of people out of work, are not sitting on their arses, as you state !!! I myself was made redundant 2 years ago, and although worked fully for 30 previous years, and highly qualified in my field, I still found it difficult to get work. Lucky for me, 4 months on I managed to get myself back in. However I put myself in a position of a youngster with no experiance, just left university...what chance have they got ? Now please don't try and tell me if I did a law degree at university, that stacking shelves at Poundland could be considered work experiance !! Oh yes i go for interview at some solicitors, ... I can say....but hey I know how to put pencils in a row on a top shelf !!! Ohh...i would be sure to get the job !!
The girl in question had recently finished a history degree I believe. She had got her herself a 3 day a week unpaid charity work, position in a Museum. Surely this was more like work experiance for her that stacking shelves !!
You also seem to think these companies are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts to give youngsters a chance and experiance. Who are you kidding...they are doing it as it is free labour, and it saves them paying someone else an hour for doing same job full time !!!
I am all for work experiance, but it can't simply be cheap easy labour for stacking shelves. It has to be tailored to fit the person, that they put in place, so that it does indeed give them experiance in a field they wish to pursue.
I totally agree. And it should be for long enough to actually gain something from it. A couple of weeks is what kids at school do for 'work experience' and that is basically useless if you have ever worked before. I would go further - the youngster should be supported during the placement either with on-work training, actual proper training, or a mentor from within the company structure to guide them in their personal development. Or are these placements not supposed to lead to an increased employability?
Is it possible you are suffering from interference? Is there a transmitter or electricity sub-station between you and the exchange?
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Firstly I am no expert, but believe religious book have been written and rewritten over thousands of years, mainly to steer the followers in the direction the writers wished.
Scripture has been removed from the bible many time to suit the writers or leaders
I feel it should be able to evolve, it must evolve or die

But surely that means religions are the work of people not any gods so they are agreeing that their religion is just make-believe?
Horatio Cain in CSI Miami is always flapping his jacket and putting his sunglasses on 'significantly'. One time works - every 5 minutes looks affected and stupid.
But whether sunglasses on other people looks cool or not depends on the style and the situation. Indoors is always silly. The clue is in the name - the sun rarely shines inside.
I'm not sure they should be allowed to. If a religion is based on a book that is supposed to be their god's word how can any human decide that one or more bits of it cn be ignored or changed?
I'm not for one second promoting the harming of gay people but the christian book says gay men must be stoned to death. If this is the word of their god then they should still be at least attempting to stone gay men. Picking and choosing the bits they like and ignoring the less savoury instructions is surely wrong by their own definition of what the book is - god's word. Take it all or you can't be of that religion (in this example christian).
I loathe buying clothes and would struggle to remember what I bought last week on the grounds of forgetting traumatic experiences. The only thing I can buy easily is pyjamas which I get at least 2 sizes too big (from maybe 2 shops in town) cos I like them roomy. Other clothes are too small, too see through, too expensive, too small, can't machine wash, don't suit me, did I mention too small?
Even thinking about shopping for clothes raises my stress levels by about 5 points.
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I give my time when I can to small local charities.
I do not support the large well known charities as I believe them to do more harm than good .....and before the usual suspects come jumping up and down in a rage ...."more harm than good" means that I accept that they do good rolleyes
My opinion is that the likes of Oxfam and Save the Children are more concerned with their own continued existance than with the work they are supposed to carry out. They do a lot of good in certain areas but spend far too much money on administration doing that work.

How much is it ok to spend on administration?
Kids love playing cops and robbers - it doesn't mean they will grow up to be robbers. The same applies to Playmobil - I assume the set includes a policeman - who is he supposed to arrest? Are these people really that stupid?