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maidinheaven
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 74
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Quote by sparky230
Fully qualified sparky I may be, Working on live 415v, holds no probs.
but does any one here no how to program a hager 314 time clock, can't even get the thing in manual, hence now flipping freezing as said time clock controls the heating !!!
so do I rip the sodding thing off the wall and jump the wires
or keep pressing buttons in vain hope of life.
or third option sod off round brothers and leave the thing till morning.

Leave it forever and come with me

Mollie
I'll try again tomorrow. Why is it so difficult. Well, obviously for me but not for you.
But I will try again. I promise.
Mollie
Well, it's all going to go on without me. I've just spent half an hour trying to get in there. It just doesn't like me.
Sorry
Mollie
Oh my word - you really are a law abiding lot.
I got 77 years and in fines
It seems I'm not the sweet simpering child I thougt I was.
Mollie
I don't like you being ignored. This is the first time I've been the first to respond.
You just have to get used to the site. Get to know people and let them get to know you. I hope you find what you are looking for but nobody knows what you are looking for. A threesome, a foursome? A moresome? It looks as is you want a foursome.
Anyway, whatever it is I hope you find it. We did.
Mollie
Edit - pleased to see you got a couple of replies before mine
Quote by Clare and Steve
Bloody Hell. Forgot again.
How can you say what any property is worth until you sell it?
Mollie

you can get a free valuation from an estate agent at any time regardless of it you have any intention of selling or not.
Yes, but it's only an opinion. It's not a fact until it's sold.
Anyway, I feel I'm being side-tracked. Council Tax is not RIGHT. It is UNJUST.
I think I'll leave it from now on.
Mollie
Sorry, I put a picture in here that could identify where I live.
I have a photo of the local council ignoring its own traffic restrictions. I will be sending it to my Chief Executive and to my two local councillors.
Mollie
Bloody Hell. Forgot again.
How can you say what any property is worth until you sell it?
Mollie
Quote by Mikki and Mike
Oh, forgot. Probably lots of things I forgot.
They wanted to know how much my daughter contributed to the household. I said that was a family matter. Mr Smith said it was something they liked to know. "Liked or insisted on?" He said liked. So I refused it. It makes me wonder just how much information they want to keep on file about me.
Mollie
If you in anyway accept Neilinleeds argument that property values should count as taxable income you have to accept that any contribution to the household budget is fair game also. You can't have it both ways....
I don't accept that property values should count as taxable income. It's not money I can spend to put on my table. My children might inherit something - but that's nothing to do with me. The way things are I might have to sell the house to provide me with care in my old age. That's not income. My daughter does contribute. I don't think she contributes enough - but that's a family matter and if the Inland Revenue doesn't count it as taxable income then neither should the council.
Don't you go putting up my blood pressure like this.
Council Tax is UNFAIR. Ability to Pay has to apply.
Mollie
Oh, forgot. Probably lots of things I forgot.
They wanted to know how much my daughter contributed to the household. I said that was a family matter. Mr Smith said it was something they liked to know. "Liked or insisted on?" He said liked. So I refused it. It makes me wonder just how much information they want to keep on file about me.
Mollie
Quote by Jon
When I applied I was told by a man who could have been my son or even my grandson that I had to call him "Mr Smith" (not his real name).

If his real name wasn't Mr. Smith, why did he say you had to call him by that name?? wink
I was frightened that the mods might take exception to me identifying him by name. If ever I take it to an appeal or the press or whatever then I will have no hesitation in identifying him. If I knew his name rank and number then I'd give it happily.
What really bugs me is that I know I am entitled to a small amount of council tax benefit. To get it you have to fill in a 36 page form. What I want to say is "I have limited savings and a small income, can I have council tax benefit please". What the council wants to know is, "Last three bank statements, please, how many bathrooms do you have, how many bedrooms, do you have central heating" and it goes on and on.
Then they make you feel you are applying for charity. And because you feel they are in power you accept all sort of shit from that you wouldn't accept anywhere else.
I'll only apply again when the situation really does become intolerable.
I've enjoyed getting this off my chest.
Mollie
Quote by neilinleeds
generally taxation based on ability to pay is a principal we all support in a just society? same thing here. council tax is income tax

But council tax is not based on an ability to pay whereas income tax is. There is a presumption with council tax that house value = disposable income, but that is often not the case. Hence pensioners, who's income has dropped dramatically from the income that allowed them to purchase a large house, going to jail over non-payment.
and so one of the things higher council taxes should pay for by way of safety nets like rebates is protection for pensioners etc. you build in a rule that says someone of pensionable age has effectively paid in enough tax over the years to benefit from a rebate, which is what we've more or less got. could do with an overhaul there too. tax only makes sense if it provides a long term benefit to those who pay it. you're protected from having to pay high taxes eternally by the safety net you pay into today ((( in theory. we could be doing a hell of a lot more to address issues like that. )))
neil x x x ;)
Well, I've got a problem with this "protection for pensioners etc". The procedure for claiming this protection is demeaning, degrading and undignified. I am 54 years old. When I applied I was told by a man who could have been my son or even my grandson that I had to call him "Mr Smith" (not his real name). I never claimed the benefit again.
It should not be called a benefit. It should be called something like personal allowance and it should be mine by right. I should not have to demean myself to some little council clerk. (Sorry to any little council clerks).
I don't have to claim my personal allowance for income tax. It is mine by right and by law. To get the same sort of allowance for council tax I have to expose myself to the gaze of those employed by my money.
I've said it before. Counci Tax can not be defended.
Mollie
Quote by Mal

neil x x x ;)

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just a fort!!
Mal
An Englishman's home is his castle?
I told you I was no good at those white boxes.
But, yes, whatever our views, I have enjoyed this debate. Getting a bit emotional about it but I've enjoyed it and maybe our politicians should be aware of this.
I emailed my MP about the woman pensioner (I didn't know there was also a man) who was jailed for paying only part of her council tax. I said she wasn't jailed in my name but was jailed in his. I compared it with cautions and community service for thugs and vandals.
I never received a reply. He might not receive my vote.
The Gangster's Moll
I logged out because my partner, Tom, is here. But I'm still aroused in the sense that my blood is boiling a little. There's a fundamental right enshrined in several places. I've just been to look one of them up. But it's been said by several political parties.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"
Mollie
(who is starting to feel like she wants to be a Gangster's Moll -I'd set him on some of you)
(I wouldn't really. I might disagree with what you say but defend your right to say it)
HC and Dave Darlings,
I'm not very good with those white boxes so I don't remember exactly what you said. But to one of you the TV Licence can't be denied to the government if you decide not to receive BBC. Also there are a still a lot of people not able to receive about half, or more, of BBC transmissions. Call it a licence if you like but it's a tax you can't avoid.
HC (I think), has a good idea for local taxation. In some states in the USA there is something like a sales tax to fund local expenditure. It can be difficult for visitors because you get to the check-out and find your bill is bigger than you thought. No sweat to the locals though because they know about it.
I still say - TV Licence and Council Tax can't be defended. I think local taxation should be like national taxation - based on income.
I've just been to look. I pay a month in income tax and I pay a month in council tax. Now there's no way that can be right.
Mollie
Quote by Clare and Steve
Council Tax – a part solution
Every household that is not paying its full contribution towards its council tax bill and has a Sky subscription should have the direct debit redirected to the local authority or the package reduced to make up the shortfall.

very good point that :thumbup:
I pay my council tax in full. I think it is unfair because my income is low and council tax payments affect what food I put on my table and my lfestyle generally.
I have a satellite dish on the back of my house and I do receive Sky transmissions. I can't afford a Sky subscription so I have something called "Freesat" for which I made a one-off payment of £23.
All taxes, except for three are voluntary. You can't (legally) avoid income tax. You can't avoid your TV licence and you can't avoid council tax. All other taxes are voluntary.
The TV Licence and Council Tax can't be defended. The way they are implemented is wrong.
Mollie
Quote by naughtynymphos1
, if your not working you don't pay any anyway,,

That just isn't true. If you look at my post then you will see. I don't work. My income is low. The council tax benefit is low (for me) and the procedure for getting it is demeaning and degrading.
Mollie
Ah, now Council Tax is a bee who buzzes angrily in my bonnet.
I don't work. There are good reasons for that - I'm not going to explain that unless pushed. My income goes up by about two per cent a year but sometimes council tax goes up by twenty per cent. How long before my entire income goes to the council? I did a spreadsheet a year or two ago and it's about twenty years. My biggest bill is council tax.
A couple lof years ago I applied for Council Tax Benefit. The procedure is demeaning. The clerk who helped me introduced himself as John Smit (it's ok, mods - that isn't his real name). I said "hello John" and he said "That's Mr Smith to you". AND I ACCEPTED IT.
After showing my last two months bank statements and answering what I saw as really intrusive questions I was awarded 23 pence a week.
A year later Mr Smith wrote to me asking me to apply agaim.
I Didn't - and I won't until I have to.
Council Tax has to be based on "Ability to Pay" ie, an income tax.
Mollie
There are some people who I ALWAYS have difficulty saying "no" to. But that doesn#t mean I'm a push-over. It just means that some people have an effect on me that makes it difficult to say "no".
I don't resent it. Almost always these people make me feel good.
Mollie
Definitely my last post here. It's about insurance. We are brainwashed into thinking we have to have travel insurance. Well, it's true that I only have experience of needing medical treatment in France. So I can't speak for other European countries. By the time we got back to England there was a refund cheque waiting for us - we had to pay upfront!
Last week, I got this letter expalining what we had been charged and how much we had already got back.
It cost about the same as a prescription here and was much less effort than making a claim on an insurance policy. Also, the E111 is free. An insurance policy has to be paid for and the insurance company will impose an excess. - probably you will have to meet the first £50 or so yourself.
I've deleted anything the Mods might worry about.

I would hate to influence anybody into taking or not taking insurance. This is just my experience.
I don't think I'll be posting in this thread again. Our next trip is, provisionally, planned for January. But we have to back in England for late April/early May so we might delay it until May. We'll see.
I hope there has been things here that mighty be helpful.
Mollie
Thanks. From what the F11 procedure said when it operated, it said that it formatted the hard drive. I think the hard drive was rubbish anyway so I don't thinkit would go into another computer but I'll change my bank account passwords anyway.
Anything else that might be on there I'm not bothered about.
Thanks
Mollie
Look, sorry about this but I was just trawling through stuff posted while I was away.
I bought a new computer about a month ago and, well basically, it was a heap of junk. My instinct, reinforced by people here, was that the hard drive was junk. I t crashed nearly every day. The maintenance people showed me how to use F11 to repair it but I lost all my personal information and eventually I got them to come out and do a full repair. Just a replacement hard drive and everything is now fine.
The evening before the guy was due to arrive I realised that my bank account details together with code words, pass words and PIN numbers were on there. So I went through the F11 procedure thinking that this deleted everything.
From this thread. do I understand that if my old hard drive finds it's way onto another computer my password information could be available to somebody able to retrieve it?
Mollie
Quote by wild rose and the stag
so when did you last spend all day horizontal with your partner?
Rose
xx lol

Today. But now they've gone and I'm alone again. Now how sad is that?
Mollie
I've had the last three weekends alone. This weekend I think we will be back to normal. Three in my bed.
Mollie