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Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Male, 41
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I think you summed that up quite nicely,pretty much my feelings on this topic how dictators go out of favour with the West,the Bagdad Hotel even had a suite named after Douglas Hurde,the gas used to kill the Kurds was sold to Saddam by both the UK and US,the UK portion being made at Porton Down,never heard Tony Blair mention that nugget !
I would also like to see the politians involved in the WMD farce face prison terms for cooking up that 'evidence',but sadly It's incredibly unlikely to happen,pretty much like when the murderous dictator General Pinochet visited the UK,was held under house arrest for war crimes,BUT freed after the intervention of Margaret Thatcher,may she rot in hell for that one !
Here you go Max as requested and the date as well;
QUOTE;I do, however, have sorry news for those who want Vodafone to pay up: if HMRC have really settled the case then the matter is done and dusted, and the opportunity to charge will have gone. This does not change the fact that this affair leaves a sour taste in the mouth, not least because days after it was announced, George Osborne was promoting Vodafone in India – a visit that must have been agreed before the tax announcement was made on 23 July. Of course, the coincidental timing may just be fortuitous and no one is suggesting Vodafone has done anything wrong, but the impression given is that HMRC rushed a deal through before the Indian OF QUOTE

Max I sense a lot of hostility on this subject,any reason why ? Also If people want to protest against the Government cuts,HMRC or indeed Vodaphone, they are perfectly within their rights to do so,as long as no laws are being broken,If Vodaphone etc have nothing to fear, easy,show us the paperwork and prove it,surely not too much to ask,then we can stop this endless quoting of left and right wing papers.....I would like to see some facts too,so why won't they provide them ?????????
Well let's wait and see where this goes, Vodaphone's flagship store
was closed down on Wednesday due to very angry protestors lol ! A sign of
things to come for them.
Also I see Unison have TV advertising targeting public sector workers,a
good move considering the cuts.....expect quite a battle on that one !
As far as the £6bn figure goes...urban myth or not..who knows? ,but,If the
government and the HMRC have nothing to hide maybe I could put in a Freedom
of Informaton request !
George Osborne's visit to India a coincidence,lol pull the other one !
Max you don't happen to work at HMRC do you ??????
Quote by Max777
Max......the people I am referring to...are the likes of the " SUN " and " The Mail" newspapers, that run the type of stories I was commenting on, regading benefits . People read it..and run round in total moral indignation. As stated sometimes with due cause.
However I don't see those same papers, and their readership, kicking up a fuss over this.

That that makes you correct does It Max !
Quote by Max777
Interestingly, I have found this article from 2008 in the same newspaper that the OP quoted.

Amazingly, the Vodaphone tax liability is quoted as £2 billion then.
The £6 billion figure has been described by HMCR as an "urban myth".
Oh, and for those that think otherwise, housing benefit costs run to some £20 billion annually.

Couple of points here, please supply a link to the HMRC quote where they claim the 6bn is an urban myth, secondly you banged on earlier in the thread about Labour not doing anything about tax avoidance, I totally agree,but my point is ALL politicians are parasites !
Interesting that you choose a link to the Independent from 2008 NOT 2010 ! ,obviously the tax amount was alot higher than they originally thought and more information has come to light.I also see you make no comment on George Osborne's visit to promote Vodaphone in India,after the company cut that dodgy deal with HMRC a bit of a coincidence !
Quote by john469

Tax avoidance isn't illegal unless the likes of me or you do It,then it's another matter !

Whilst politicians are self serving scum, and I agree with your main thrust, I just thought I'd chime in and tell you that tax avoidance isn't illegal, however tax evasion is.
While It may not actually be illegal,,think how much the deficit could be reduced if you went after people with real money,instead of easy targets like single mothers and pensioners,this looks extremely bad to voters,in fact you could say,hypocrictical,but then what's new !
Quote by Max777
Private Eye suggested Vodaphone's tax liability was £4.8 billion

Here's the Private Eye article doesn't say that at all,it does say this though
£5bn in lost tax and INTEREST so far.


Quote by Max777
the figure was nearer £2.2 billion and far from it all being written off, HMCR agreed a final liability of billion.

How do you know the figure was nearer to £2.2 bn,If the government are sitting on the paperwork ? Here's a recent article from the Guardian,true Vodaphone paid a massivily reduced tax fee ;

Also this little gem from that article above
This does not change the fact that this affair leaves a sour taste in the mouth, not least because days after it was announced, George Osborne was promoting Vodafone in India – a visit that must have been agreed before the tax announcement was made on 23 July.


Quote by Max777
If you can provide documented proof of a £6 Billion liability, I would be interested to see it

Wouldn't we all !! That's a bit like asking Neil Hamilton, to supply the brown envelopes,in which he got the cash bungs from Mr Fayed lol !
You have got a point about the amount,could be £6bn could be ,perhaps the government should be more transparent and release the paperwork,so we can all scrutinize It before we vote next time,but hey what's a few billion between friends !
I wait with baited breath to see,all the rich tax dodgers the government promised to weed out to repay tax,perhaps they can start with their own party,or Labour .
Quote by Max777
As for tax avoidance of the 3 MPs in question in the LEFT FOOT FORWARD article, Philip Hammond appeared on Question Time last Thursday and answered those allegations.

And here It is;

David Dimbleby;Were the allegations incorrect that you moved shares into your wifes name and that you took dividends rather than income.
Philip Hammond;Neither of those quotes are incorrect
So according to Hammond the Ch4 Dispatches documentary made an innuendo,NOT an allegation,then again,maybe the reason he didn't pursue legal action and try to block the documentary was that Lord Ashcroft had just lost against BBC's Panorama program,for something very similar, avoiding paying in taxes !


Quote by Max777
I really can't comment on the other two instances as I have no knowledge of them, except to say that if Osborne no longer declares his interest in the family trust, then he must not have an interest in it, otherwise he will be breaking parliamentary rules and I'm sure someone will take the matter up. Let's wait and see!

The C4 Dispatches documentary I linked to outlines the details of all three tax avoiders,I look forward to someone in the mainstream media picking the story up,however I think it will be a long time coming,they're too interested in trash z-grade celebrity stories.
Quote by Max777
Tax avoidance is not illegal and I'm sure that the wealthy of all political persuasions minimise their tax bills.

Tax avoidance isn't illegal unless the likes of me or you do It,then it's another matter !
What do you guys think of this,the Government cancelled Vodafone's tax bill, an outstanding tax bill of £6bn,a sum which would've prevented nearly all the cuts to all the welfare recipients in Britain ! Why aren't the newspapers reporting any of this

How the Rich Beat the Taxman , Andrew Mitchell and Philip Hammond as well as 'advisor' Philip Green



Remember,'Were all in this together !'to quote George Osborne.
Quote by Ian
Who is going to be brave enough to take their local swinging club to court?
That'll guarantee you get your five minutes of fame on the front page of the Bugle lol

Good point,not me that's for sure lol !
I spotted this on another site so don't shoot the messenger wink
QUOTE;The Equality Act 2010 of which 90%, including this part, came into effect on 1st October 2010 'requires private members clubs to act in a non-discriminatory way. This means that clubs will no longer be able to restrict access to activities or benefits, or apply different conditions or fees' - based on sex (amongst other characteristics). This is very definition, for the purposes of the act, of a private members club is a club with over 24 members (that will be every swinging club then!).This has nothing to do with employers or employment law, which is already covered under current legislation - it covers ANY business that sells goods or last friday, there can no longer be a cap on the number of single guys in a club, they can't be charged a higher membership or admission fee than a single female.
This could change the business model of most swinging clubs, I would be amazed if club owners are fully aware yet!
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Good news about the membership rule for single men,not sure how this would work in practice ,clubs would just be full of bored single thoughts,and remember not my quote just passing it on for discussion.
Are there any couples or ladies,in the Bristol area,who are
interested in meeting up tonight for a drink maybe something more.
If anyone's interested please P.M me and we'll take It from there.
Take Care
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Adrian
Quote by Sarah
You might want to have a look at this:-
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/308703.html

Thanks Sarah,I'd definetly be up for that.I've added my name so fingers crossed !
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