all i was saying is the list of dogging sites on here is just as bad as mensioning them on threads,it isnt rocket science for the bib to make a list from there and just visit them,if the list wasnt there on any of the sites it would have been better,as for new members on here,yes we are but not too the swinging and dogging scene,it dosnt make people perfect because they are members of a swinging site on comp.