Baked buns safety ban

28 Sep 2010

A Lancashire women's group banned from taking homemade cakes to their coffee afternoon has branded the decision "absolutely ridiculous".
But Lancashire County Council said it would breach health and safety rules.
This was on radio 2 today. Has the world finally gone mad dunno

28 Sep 2010

Yes agree, the council sadly have to cover there ass.
Just seams so mad, when I was younger I could hardly wait to get the the WI cake stall to buy Mrs Berrys wonderful fresh cream cakes lol

Are there more people suffering from allergy's today than there used to be, or is it just more widely reported these days.

28 Sep 2010

Oh dear...............more health and safety rubbish.
How the fuck my generation and the ones before me actually survived to be over 50 is quite frankly amazing.

28 Sep 2010

I bet the WI's home kitchens are spotless!
My nan's kitchen was always spotless, she would'nt even let my grandad in there!
Where will it all end for gods sake?
We cannot even have a fridge at our drivers rest room, why, because TFL say it might get E coli in it!!
Lunitics running the asylum?

28 Sep 2010

MMB...............
Monday morning brigade for those of you not familiar with the term.
PM for details. lol

28 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Oh dear...............more health and safety rubbish.
How the fuck my generation and the ones before me actually survived to be over 50 is quite frankly amazing.

This is the bit of it that relay gets me down Kenty.
Me and a few Friends used to run an annual charity clay pigeon shoot for the local Loins Club. (My favourite charity as all the money stays local) Because of the continual increase of H & S rules and public liability insurance we had to stop doing them

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Oh dear...............more health and safety rubbish.
How the fuck my generation and the ones before me actually survived to be over 50 is quite frankly amazing.

This is the bit of it that relay gets me down Kenty.
Me and a few Friends used to run an annual charity clay pigeon shoot for the local Loins Club. (My favourite charity as all the money stays local) Because of the continual increase of H & S rules and public liability insurance we had to stop doing them
Often the insurance is the real killer,rather than the rules,i know it stopped the pta fireworks display>The rules for dealing with fireworks were common sense,but the insureres wanted £1000s
btw,i think i might like to join a loins club :twisted:
smackbottom

28 Sep 2010

Heard this on J.V. radio 2 show. One woman rang up and said that it was a good idea to stop them selling / giving away the home made cakes as she has an allergy to some forms of butter......It appears to me that if she suffers from such an allergy it might be a good idea for her NOT to buy cakes etc where she does not know all the ingredients. But others should NOT be prevented from buying cakes.
Maybe potential cake eaters could sign a form saying they are aware of the potential risks of eating cakes (including weight gain) and that they are willing to accept the horrendous risks.
John

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
A Lancashire women's group banned from taking homemade cakes to their coffee afternoon has branded the decision "absolutely ridiculous".
But Lancashire County Council said it would breach health and safety rules.
This was on radio 2 today. Has the world finally gone mad

The world has not gone mad at all. What has happened is someone at that council have put two and two together and come up with five.
There are no H&S laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
There are no food laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
In a nutshell, excuse the pun, this is along the same lines of the headmaster who banned conkers and the papers reported it as the law forbids it.
Is it ridiculous? Damn right it is, and somebody somewhere has caused a right cock-up and need to apologise and move on.
Dave_Notts

28 Sep 2010

Spot on, Dave.
The Health and Safety Comission (or whatever their name is this year) would only require a simple risk analysis to be done. Along the lines of: Have the cakes been made by people with a basic food hygeine certificate? Is the serving area clean and safe to move around in? Should there be a sign warning people that the food may contain nuts and other foods known to trigger allergic reactions? Will there be knives where children might get hold of them?
Basic, common sense stuff.
The council concerned are the ones 100% at fault here. No court will hold up a claim by a nut-allergy sufferer who scoffs an unknown cake that turns out to have nuts in it. And the provision of a simple sign making it clear that the eaters are responsible for their own decisions is absolutely sufficient to cover their backs.
Pathetic.

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
A Lancashire women's group banned from taking homemade cakes to their coffee afternoon has branded the decision "absolutely ridiculous".
But Lancashire County Council said it would breach health and safety rules.
This was on radio 2 today. Has the world finally gone mad

The world has not gone mad at all. What has happened is someone at that council have put two and two together and come up with five.
There are no H&S laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
There are no food laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
In a nutshell, excuse the pun, this is along the same lines of the headmaster who banned conkers and the papers reported it as the law forbids it.
Is it ridiculous? Damn right it is, and somebody somewhere has caused a right cock-up and need to apologise and move on.
Dave_Notts
Some one with too much on there plate? :dunno: :giggle:

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

The world has not gone mad at all. What has happened is someone at that council have put two and two together and come up with five.
There are no H&S laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
There are no food laws that stop homebaked cakes from being eaten on council or private premises.
In a nutshell, excuse the pun, this is along the same lines of the headmaster who banned conkers and the papers reported it as the law forbids it.
Is it ridiculous? Damn right it is, and somebody somewhere has caused a right cock-up and need to apologise and move on.
Dave_Notts

Some one with too much on there plate? dunno

:giggle:
That is the polite way of saying it Blue.
I say a prat who opened their gob without putting their brain into gear.
Dave_Notts

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
I say a prat who opened their gob without putting their brain into gear.

Typical council worker then eh? lol

28 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I say a prat who opened their gob without putting their brain into gear.

Typical council worker then eh? lol

Nah, they are just a typical prat found in all walks of life. Even heard of a printer who was gonna tell me about the loads of H&S laws that could be repealed. I didn't hear off him either wink

Dave_Notts

28 Sep 2010

Never......printers are such honest and intelligent people!

28 Sep 2010

Almost all health and safety related media stories result from organisations misinterpreting the legislation, combined with a fear of litigious action. And this isn't just small charities - big companies including the NHS do it as well. The HSE needs to launch a major, prolonged campaign to educate people about the truth regarding health and safety laws. They have done a huge amount of good in terms of reducing accidents and deaths which is not appreciated by the majority of people.

28 Sep 2010

Quote by Stevie J
Almost all health and safety related media stories result from organisations misinterpreting the legislation, combined with a fear of litigious action. And this isn't just small charities - big companies including the NHS do it as well. The HSE needs to launch a major, prolonged campaign to educate people about the truth regarding health and safety laws. They have done a huge amount of good in terms of reducing accidents and deaths which is not appreciated by the majority of people.

Somebody here has linked the HSE "Myth of the Month" campaign once before . This has been running for about 2-3 years now.
Dave_Notts

29 Sep 2010

He's wearing a hard hat.. what more do you want?
The country is overpopulated anyway so there has to be some "natural" wastage otherwise there would be nowhere left for anyone to live!

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
For those who wonder why we have a health and saftey executive.

This kind of proves that the act is not working well though? No one took any notice of it, or the accident would not have happened.
The council admitted a breach of the Health and Safety Act.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
For those who wonder why we have a health and saftey executive.

This kind of proves that the act is not working well though? No one took any notice of it, or the accident would not have happened.
The council admitted a breach of the Health and Safety Act.
i disagree,thats like saying we shuldnt have a law against murder because people break it.
Did not say we should not have one, I said, going by this story, the one we have is not working. This is a bit like closing the gate after the horse is gone

29 Sep 2010

I don't think anyone would disagree with H+S law.
I'm sure kenty will remember the old boys in the print who had various fingers missing because there where no guards on the presses.
It just seems that H+S go totally over board.
I was talking to a manager at work today about this and he told me a story about when he worked at a different office;
A workmate was sitting at his desk and opened the desk drawer to get something out, he then decided to go to the loo, he forgot to close said drawer and went arse over tip!!
Result= said manager had to teach everyone how to close desk drawers and how to open normal doors!!!!!

29 Sep 2010

Quote by browning
I don't think anyone would disagree with H+S law.
I'm sure kenty will remember the old boys in the print who had various fingers missing because there where no guards on the presses.
It just seems that H+S go totally over board.
I was talking to a manager at work today about this and he told me a story about when he worked at a different office;
A workmate was sitting at his desk and opened the desk drawer to get something out, he then decided to go to the loo, he forgot to close said drawer and went arse over tip!!
Result= said manager had to teach everyone how to close desk drawers and how to open normal doors!!!!!

Yes I do Browning.
Like everything in life people have to take some kind of responsibility for their own actions.
Printers do not need H and S telling them running a machine without guards is dangerous, they know that already.
It is the wankers out there who take the whole thing way too far.
Yes we need guidance and employers have to abide by the law, but ultimately it is a persons responsibility to ensure their own safety. If someone wants to clean their windows standing on a ladder in just socks, then that person is the idiot.
The law in many cases is there for a very good reason, but on a lot of other instances it has been taken way to far as in another thread about fecking cakes.
Common sense is not something a lot of humans do very well, and some employers will scrimp on safety issues to save money, but at the end of the day the person who is risking their own health or their safety, then the final act is down to them.
If a person cannot identify what is dangerous to them and what is not,then frankly they should be locked up.
Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.
The problem lies in the compensation culture we have produced, where most people are terrified of being sued.....common sense and a basic understanding of what is right and what is wrong. Shutting a school down purely because the school is terrified a child will slip on the snow and then the parents will sue the school , is a sign of how far down the mad road we have gone.
It has got so bad that some schools have banned playing conkers in case a child hurts themselves ffs.
As I have said many times before.....how my generation ever survived to living past 30 is amazing, we did it then by using common sense...using that thing between our ears called a brain.
The system has now deemed that most people cannot make decisions for themselves, with regard to their own safety, so have deemed it necessary to make the decisions for them.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by awayman

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
Or the locals who grew up in those villages affording homes in them

29 Sep 2010

Quote by awayman

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
I went to school through the 60s into the early 70s and at none of the schools that I attended were the majority of the staff local. I don't think it was any different then to the way it is now.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Max777

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
I went to school through the 60s into the early 70s and at none of the schools that I attended were the majority of the staff local. I don't think it was any different then to the way it is now.
Our village school was very different to yours then, our head master was a major part of the village, not just the wife was the Secretary for the secondary school. The other teachers came from neighboring villages.
I made the assumption that most village schools would have been the same

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
I went to school through the 60s into the early 70s and at none of the schools that I attended were the majority of the staff local. I don't think it was any different then to the way it is now.
Our village school was very different to yours then, our head master was a major part of the village, not just the wife was the Secretary for the secondary school. The other teachers came from neighboring villages.
I made the assumption that most village schools would have been the same
I have never lived in a village and I don't think Kenty was referring to village schools either, not with 2000 pupils.

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Max777

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
I went to school through the 60s into the early 70s and at none of the schools that I attended were the majority of the staff local. I don't think it was any different then to the way it is now.
Our village school was very different to yours then, our head master was a major part of the village, not just the wife was the Secretary for the secondary school. The other teachers came from neighboring villages.
I made the assumption that most village schools would have been the same
I have never lived in a village and I don't think Kenty was referring to village schools either, not with 2000 pupils.
Good point, but even our secondary school in the local town was staffed from surrounding villages. dunno

29 Sep 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

Schools when I was a kid never closed because of snow, only if the heating had packed up. Now though the slightest little sprinkle on the ground and the schools shut. Surely a bit of fucking snow on the ground does not constitute shutting down a whole school with two thousand kids in it.....going way too far.

This is often due to the fact that teachers now come from far and wide, when we were kids we new the teachers as they all lived near by. As they have so far to travel many struggle to get into the school when it snows so the school is understaffed, head teachers have to make a call on closing if they feel not enough staff will turn in.
Spot on - the problem is exacerbated in the smaller villages by all the houses having been sold as second homes so there's no chance of teachers living locally.
I went to school through the 60s into the early 70s and at none of the schools that I attended were the majority of the staff local. I don't think it was any different then to the way it is now.
Our village school was very different to yours then, our head master was a major part of the village, not just the wife was the Secretary for the secondary school. The other teachers came from neighboring villages.
I made the assumption that most village schools would have been the same
I have never lived in a village and I don't think Kenty was referring to village schools either, not with 2000 pupils.
Good point, but even our secondary school in the local town was staffed from surrounding villages. dunno

Is that really any different than today though Blue? Do the teachers at that school travel much further to work now?