I don't believe in Fairies.
But I do believe that Whitney Houston said:
'I believe that children are our future...'
I also believe there should be a lot less of them.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Because usually I get " the others ", come along to back each other up. Still I take great delight in all the pm's I get from others, backing ME up.
They do not want to put it on the forums because they do not want, the same treatment happening to them.
Now that is a fact.
I have a freedom to say whatever I like...within the rules. So to those who would just love to " shut me up ", well you will have a long sandals are well and trully locked away.
Oh for crying out loud !!!
Talk about paranoid !!
What treatement ???
You abuse people and then start going on about people attacking you and all the people who PM you who are too afraid to post
You honestly expect people to believe that your in box is full of people who are too afraid to post on this forum but send you messages of support ??
Purleese !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
You have a very uncanny knack of " over exagerating " what one has said. I never said my in box was full, I merely said I have has pm's from others too scared too support me. In honesty over the last four months I have had approx 28 pm's from 14 different people. YOU believe what you want.
Example? On this thread I aired MY views on this, only to be " shot " down with a barrage of
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Since then there have been others who have expressed their beliefs over Global warming. Funny I do not see any headbanging there.
I would really love to post a pm I had from another member, who described some on here as the " coven ". I felt that was a bit strong but...when someone has views which are against the grain, I have to except that I will get slated. We live in a pc correct, nanny state, enviromental obsessed country.
Because I dispell a lot of that I put myself up to be " shot down ". What I do take offence too is when I air my views, then get vilified by others but when others air similar views, nothing is said to them at all. This thread is a classic example.
Lets all get back to the " good old days " on here, when apparently all that was ever discussed was, fairy subjects. :shock:
I don't think you were shot down by the headbanger icon thingummy doo dah. I think the evidence that has been presented has pretty much done that, combined with your refusal to defend your position with any evidence in support of it, or to present evidence that contradicts that which has already been posted.
If other people have expressed their beliefs, I think some have tried to back them up with evidence plus their beliefs seem based in some kind of quantifiable and measurable criteria, rather than tired and empty rhetoric.
I also feel there was absolutely no need for the "coven" comment. I singularly fail to understand why anyone, regardless of who they are or how many times they disagree with you, is labelled thus simply because they view things differently. You said you felt it "a bit strong", it isn't, it's plainly offensive even if whom this was about was not known, but from your posts you make it clear exactly who you mean. You say someone else said it and you felt it was a bit strong, I do hope you put them right on that score. I somehow doubt it, otherwise it would not have been reproduced here.
I respect your right to have opinions and your freedom to express them. However the way you choose to defend them, by ignoring any salient posts that may suggest otherwise, by using emotional, provocative words that are aimed to belittle and offend those who dare oppose you, and to hide behind the fact that you are entitled to your post because it is within AUP and in the bounds of free speech, does you no credit whatsoever. It is cowardly, lacks integrity and adds nothing to your original argument, merely engendering less than favourable attitudes to your post and a degree of upset that is tangible within the forum.
That is not the fault of others, but comes from your own, as i see it sneering attitude of contempt and superiority. An attitude that I have to say, is totally without basis, judging by the arguments you put forth, regardless of who is offended. Indeed if people are, then you assume it is their fault for being some shandy drinking, bearded,lefty, liberal eco-warrior, good for nothing, doo gooder, who just sits on the fence won't listen to the sense you speak and nod their head in complete agreement.
But then again, maybe the "coven" has put a spell on me to say all this.
Plato said “Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance.” I just wonder, where along that continuum are we?
I had no wish to come on here and get involved in these issues, I avoided them initially but I don't feel I can any longer. I am happy to leap to your defence and highlight the good points you make in your posts Mr Kent and I defend your right to post what you feel but I cannot defend and accept what follows when it negatively impacts a great many people on the forum and is in no way in support of the original post you made, but is simply an attempt to foster division, to create a siege mentality and foster this idea that you are the poor picked upon when, when in actual fact, the exact opposite is often the truth. Too many threads finish this way because quite simply there is either no defence of the opinions stated, or if there is, it is ignored to try and score a few points off the people you deem as being "the others".
I'm sorry Mr K, as much as I do like you, I can't defend that.
Well I cannot knock you Res for your thoughts and the way you express them. Maybe you could teach me a thing or two? Invoice should be sent too........
The " coven " comment I already stated I thought it was strong. I did not pm that person back to say so, but my thoughts on that should be clear, as I have already said what I thought.
Thanks for your words, as I see some reasoning there.
The " coven " comment I already stated I thought it was strong. I did not pm that person back to say so, but my thoughts on that should be clear, as I have already said what I thought.
Thanks for your words, as I see some reasoning there.
Sex God
Pack it in.
This was a thread about a subject - not about YOU.
Threads are not there simply another opportunity for the regular snipers to get their claws out. If you can't maintain the spirit of a discussion thread then - for the sake of those who want to - please start your own "I'm right and you're wrong" thread.
:x :x :x :x :x
This was a thread about a subject - not about YOU.
Threads are not there simply another opportunity for the regular snipers to get their claws out. If you can't maintain the spirit of a discussion thread then - for the sake of those who want to - please start your own "I'm right and you're wrong" thread.
:x :x :x :x :x 
Sex God
I mailed 777 once and if he wants to paste it in he's welcome. I totally understand why people want to keep support quiet though because I have a feeling that 777's views are far mor common amongst most than people think, he just has the want to discuss and put forward his views and the has the shoulders to take the criticism's.
On topic my inner most self thnks that the whole environmental man made cotastrophy/global warming thing is probably just hype for the most part. I can't formulate my views coherently enough to stop anyone poo pooing what I think. If I could then there would be no arguement. Same as from the eco lobbyists i guess.
However. I do believe in good housekeeping and things such as waste if they can be reduced then fine if we can produce less cleaner or sustainable fuel thats cool too - but!! I want to drive my car where I want when I want f*ck the bus. Saving fossil fuels or rather developing alternatives makes sense as its not disputed that they will run out - when though is another matter.
On topic my inner most self thnks that the whole environmental man made cotastrophy/global warming thing is probably just hype for the most part. I can't formulate my views coherently enough to stop anyone poo pooing what I think. If I could then there would be no arguement. Same as from the eco lobbyists i guess.
However. I do believe in good housekeeping and things such as waste if they can be reduced then fine if we can produce less cleaner or sustainable fuel thats cool too - but!! I want to drive my car where I want when I want f*ck the bus. Saving fossil fuels or rather developing alternatives makes sense as its not disputed that they will run out - when though is another matter.
Sex God
You know, eventually there will only be a handful of people posting on any thread. Old and wrinkled and muttering darkly at each other. No-one will be reading the posts, not even themselves. The forum will be dead.
Has anyone noticed it's happening already - how many threads spiral down to a personal slanging match while NO-ONE ELSE POSTS ANYMORE.
Now please - for the love of all that is civilised 9and YES disagreement CAN be civilised) - could we stop the personal sniping and just discuss?
Has anyone noticed it's happening already - how many threads spiral down to a personal slanging match while NO-ONE ELSE POSTS ANYMORE.
Now please - for the love of all that is civilised 9and YES disagreement CAN be civilised) - could we stop the personal sniping and just discuss?
Quote by Lost
I mailed 777 once and if he wants to paste it in he's welcome. I totally understand why people want to keep support quiet though because I have a feeling that 777's views are far mor common amongst most than people think, he just has the want to discuss and put forward his views and the has the shoulders to take the criticism's.
On topic my inner most self thnks that the whole environmental man made cotastrophy/global warming thing is probably just hype for the most part. I can't formulate my views coherently enough to stop anyone poo pooing what I think. If I could then there would be no arguement. Same as from the eco lobbyists i guess.
However. I do believe in good housekeeping and things such as waste if they can be reduced then fine if we can produce less cleaner or sustainable fuel thats cool too - but!! I want to drive my car where I want when I want f*ck the bus. Saving fossil fuels or rather developing alternatives makes sense as its not disputed that they will run out - when though is another matter.
Thanks for that Losty. I would NEVER EVER divuldge information to anyone, where it has been said in confidence.
I just took exception to the fact that maybe, I was being economical with the truth.
No I will not post what you sent to me Losty.
Sex God
Quote by Lost
I mailed 777 once and if he wants to paste it in he's welcome. I totally understand why people want to keep support quiet though because I have a feeling that 777's views are far mor common amongst most than people think, he just has the want to discuss and put forward his views and the has the shoulders to take the criticism's.
On topic my inner most self thnks that the whole environmental man made cotastrophy/global warming thing is probably just hype for the most part. I can't formulate my views coherently enough to stop anyone poo pooing what I think. If I could then there would be no arguement. Same as from the eco lobbyists i guess.
However. I do believe in good housekeeping and things such as waste if they can be reduced then fine if we can produce less cleaner or sustainable fuel thats cool too - but!! I want to drive my car where I want when I want f*ck the bus. Saving fossil fuels or rather developing alternatives makes sense as its not disputed that they will run out - when though is another matter.
I agree with the main part of your post. it is really hard to know what is true about this. My feeling is, that while MMGW may or may not be what will tip us into an ice-age (or whatever disaster) we do know that fossil fuels are becoming harder to extract, land should not be used to dump rubbish on and my petrol costs too damn much.
So I reckon finding alternative energy sources is incredibly urgent, reduce-reuse-recycle should be the first thought from raw material extraction to final disposal and public transport should be cheap, clean and available. Especially trains. And simply taxing everything is stupid.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
So I reckon finding alternative energy sources is incredibly urgent, reduce-reuse-recycle should be the first thought from raw material extraction to final disposal and public transport should be cheap, clean and available. Especially trains. And simply taxing everything is stupid.
There should be hymns to this effect :awe:
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I must confess that I illegally burn a lot of waste
You bad bad evil nasty bad! git I think self flagellation is in order.
Can I watch
Sex God
Quote by Lost
So I reckon finding alternative energy sources is incredibly urgent, reduce-reuse-recycle should be the first thought from raw material extraction to final disposal and public transport should be cheap, clean and available. Especially trains. And simply taxing everything is stupid.
There should be hymns to this effect :awe:
We could set it to "Jerusalem". :giggle:
"And did those trucks, in ancient time,
Fill up England's mountains of waste?
And was the supermarket bags
On England's pleasant pastures strewn?
And was the fuel so high in price,
That we could drive but half a mile?
And was a midden pile builded here,
And brought back dark age ills?"
What I see on a lot of threads like this a lot of the time we all feel the same in a way, it seems we start at a point one fraction turns left and go in a semi circle the other turn right and go in a semi circle and most seem to join together at the top of the circle.
Maybe we should have a party called the passion party!
Maybe we should have a party called the passion party!
I think that plastic is the bane of all our lives and we should be doing everything we can to use planet-friendly alternatives. I appreciate that there are a lot of places where plastic would be difficult to replace, but there are a good deal more instances where plastic products are used as a cheap convenience. Given that oil is a finite resource and will become more difficult and expensive to obtain, I think research into replacements should be conducted sooner rather than later. Waste plastic products cause more environmental pressure than just the longevity of their existence in landfill. Also, I welcome the initiatives for recycling plastic waste, and think there should be more pressure to use recycled plastic in products, but it is not an alternative to reducing the amount of virgin plastic produced globally.
I prefer this graph.
I also like to look at the scale/time/temperature....and then go a bit further....beyond the part of the graph that helps the "global warming" ists.
The graphs would not be as interesting if the scale on the left was in whole degrees and not in tenths of a degree.....the "warming trend" would be in the noise then.....but never let doctoring the evidence get between a AGW scientist and his/her grant application.
The real news is that the temperature has not been increasing dramatically, either ocean or land.
the satellite readings show that....we can ignore the land-based readings because they are sited within urban areas and subject to warming due to location-temperature...ie: buildings and land...
The poles are increasing in size (don't forget, ice is deposited at the "centre" and "works" its way out...)
Not only that, but CO2 is not a particularly good "greenhouse" gas....methane is 4 times better...(or worse) and the main "reservoir" of heat in the atmosphere is water....
The main driver behind global temperatures is the sun, it always has been the sun.....the sunspot count is at an all-time low...and further cooling is "forecast", by everyone who has no axe to grind on the grinding-stone of global warming....and no grants to chase....and no power complex to boost.
I'm looking out of the window onto 6 inches of snow.....
Global warming ?
Population control: A good one this.
The green way of thinking is that the population of the UK needs to be about 13 million. That is sustainable.
The really bad news: Cutting the birth rate is not the way to solve over population.
Increasing the death rate is.
What we really need is for those over 50 to accept that they are a burden on the country and to quietly die....or not quietly, just die anyway !
Quote by JTS:shock: :shock:
I prefer this graph.
I also like to look at the scale/time/temperature....and then go a bit further....beyond the part of the graph that helps the "global warming" ists.
The graphs would not be as interesting if the scale on the left was in whole degrees and not in tenths of a degree.....the "warming trend" would be in the noise then.....but never let doctoring the evidence get between a AGW scientist and his/her grant application.
The real news is that the temperature has not been increasing dramatically, either ocean or land.
the satellite readings show that....we can ignore the land-based readings because they are sited within urban areas and subject to warming due to location-temperature...ie: buildings and land...
The poles are increasing in size (don't forget, ice is deposited at the "centre" and "works" its way out...)
Not only that, but CO2 is not a particularly good "greenhouse" gas....methane is 4 times better...(or worse) and the main "reservoir" of heat in the atmosphere is water....
The main driver behind global temperatures is the sun, it always has been the sun.....the sunspot count is at an all-time low...and further cooling is "forecast", by everyone who has no axe to grind on the grinding-stone of global warming....and no grants to chase....and no power complex to boost.
I'm looking out of the window onto 6 inches of snow.....
Global warming ?
Population control: A good one this.
The green way of thinking is that the population of the UK needs to be about 13 million. That is sustainable.
The really bad news: Cutting the birth rate is not the way to solve over population.
Increasing the death rate is.
What we really need is for those over 50 to accept that they are a burden on the country and to quietly die....or not quietly, just die anyway !
I am 50 this year. :upset:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777:shock: :shock:
I prefer this graph.
I also like to look at the scale/time/temperature....and then go a bit further....beyond the part of the graph that helps the "global warming" ists.
The graphs would not be as interesting if the scale on the left was in whole degrees and not in tenths of a degree.....the "warming trend" would be in the noise then.....but never let doctoring the evidence get between a AGW scientist and his/her grant application.
The real news is that the temperature has not been increasing dramatically, either ocean or land.
the satellite readings show that....we can ignore the land-based readings because they are sited within urban areas and subject to warming due to location-temperature...ie: buildings and land...
The poles are increasing in size (don't forget, ice is deposited at the "centre" and "works" its way out...)
Not only that, but CO2 is not a particularly good "greenhouse" gas....methane is 4 times better...(or worse) and the main "reservoir" of heat in the atmosphere is water....
The main driver behind global temperatures is the sun, it always has been the sun.....the sunspot count is at an all-time low...and further cooling is "forecast", by everyone who has no axe to grind on the grinding-stone of global warming....and no grants to chase....and no power complex to boost.
I'm looking out of the window onto 6 inches of snow.....
Global warming ?
Population control: A good one this.
The green way of thinking is that the population of the UK needs to be about 13 million. That is sustainable.
The really bad news: Cutting the birth rate is not the way to solve over population.
Increasing the death rate is.
What we really need is for those over 50 to accept that they are a burden on the country and to quietly die....or not quietly, just die anyway !
I am 50 this year. :upset:
Awww Kenty, It's ok, this isn't Logans Run! ;-)
That's a brilliant graph JTS, really interesting to see how much it does fluctuate. It would be great to then take it further back in time over the epochs, but sadly we don't have the data.
I'm just a bit confused about the poles increasing in size? Do you have a link for me? I have always read they are shrinking. Do you mean while the area they cover is shrinking in size, the actual ice that is there, is getting deeper? Therefore there is more of it?
Excellent point also about he sun, The solar cycle lasts for about 11 years, fluctuations in the cycle correlate well to the numbers of sun spots visible and this the effects the solar radiation levels emitted, all of which is linked in with the Earth's climate as the smaller the luminescence is of the sun, the colder it is here in general. There's certainly plenty of evidence here corroborating those who feel mankind is not solely to blame and it'd be interesting to see how this tallies with the data we have from down here, over a sustained period time.
And it is odd, an 11 year solar cycle, we are at a lull in sunspot activity at the moment and we are having the coldest winter since, depending on which sources you read, January 1987. Which is oddly enough 22 years ago... strange eh? ;-)
Sex God
Quote by JTS
Thankyou muchly!
The oceans and seas are extremely important in climate terms. The climate involves a lot of non-linear, chaotic processes, with highly significant ocean to atmosphere coupling. It is estimated that the atmosphere contains 750 GtC (gigatonnes of carbon, the 'mass yardstick' for carbon dioxide, and giga means 10 to the power 9); the surface ocean contains even more, 1000 GtC; vegetation, soils, and detritus contain 2200 GtC; and the intermediate and deep oceans contain 38000 GtC. Annually, the surface ocean and atmosphere exchange around 90 GtC, while vegetation and the atmosphere exchange 60 GtC. Compare this with mankind's annual output from fossil fuel burning (and the production of cement) of 6 GtC per year.
Mankind is responsible for only 3.5% of total global carbon cycle CO2 emissions.
The quote in question, while not being a precise quote, was made by a prominent green politician some time ago.
To the effect that we needed less people and the easiest way to achieve that was for the elderly to die faster. Failing that, a decent epidemic was needed.
Since people are living longer....and longer....and people are also having smaller families....the imbalance in society is starting to make itself felt. So much so that "importing" young people is the vogue now.
Not only that, but in the near future we will have to make some seriously worrying choices.
We don't need less children, we need more.
We need more working people, and less retired people.
A larger chunk of the governments available money is going to pay salaries and pensions of those who rule us. That chunk is getting ever larger, year-on-year.
Since there is no chance of the government employing less people, they will have to spend less.
Since the amount they need to pay salaries and pensions is "fixed", you do not need to be a genius to work-out who is going to get less.
Which is why people need to pay more attention to things like global "warming", which (in my humble opinion) is being used to force through policies which have little to do with CO2 reduction, and more to do with "social" reduction......
To the effect that we needed less people and the easiest way to achieve that was for the elderly to die faster. Failing that, a decent epidemic was needed.
Since people are living longer....and longer....and people are also having smaller families....the imbalance in society is starting to make itself felt. So much so that "importing" young people is the vogue now.
Not only that, but in the near future we will have to make some seriously worrying choices.
We don't need less children, we need more.
We need more working people, and less retired people.
A larger chunk of the governments available money is going to pay salaries and pensions of those who rule us. That chunk is getting ever larger, year-on-year.
Since there is no chance of the government employing less people, they will have to spend less.
Since the amount they need to pay salaries and pensions is "fixed", you do not need to be a genius to work-out who is going to get less.
Which is why people need to pay more attention to things like global "warming", which (in my humble opinion) is being used to force through policies which have little to do with CO2 reduction, and more to do with "social" reduction......
Sex God
Blimey Id have been more respectful if id known lololol
