Bow or curtsy

24 Jun 2010

In bygone years the peasants bowed and curtsied to show their lower status in day to day life or the class system.
Is it now more a mark of respect, politeness, or just a good tradition. I like it as a tradition and a sign of politeness but many feel its and outdated and unnecessary thing to do.
I wondered what peoples feeling are here for the Bow or Curtsy? Time for it to go?
Andy Bow's to the Queen

24 Jun 2010

I'd go with aim and fire

24 Jun 2010

It all depends on your personal preference. Essentially Andy Murray said he wouldn't bow if the other guy wouldn't as he didn't want to look different. Not really the headline grabbing nonsense I have been faced with in the wilds of Scotland for the past few days.
Whether to bow or curtsy is more a matter for personal preference. It could be perceived as a mark of respect, a dutiful necessity, a tradition or deference.
Personally I would show my respect to Her Majesty, but I would not be upset if others didn't.

24 Jun 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I'd go with aim and fire

Not keen on the monarchy then lol

24 Jun 2010

Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

24 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

I completely misjudged that one, thought your view would be totally opposite...

24 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

I completely misjudged that one, thought your view would be totally opposite...
Do not see why Blue?
I love the Monarch....that is the Queen. Not all the " hangers on " that are abound.
Watching the Trooping of the colour recently is amazing....not to be missed.
Things that are part of our history and culture....how can anyone not agree? But I bet some will.
Having a Son in that elite regiment and guarding the Queen at State do's is just breathtaking.
Our Monarchy is something all English people should be proud of.

24 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

I completely misjudged that one, thought your view would be totally opposite...
Do not see why Blue?
I love the Monarch....that is the Queen. Not all the " hangers on " that are abound.
Watching the Trooping of the colour recently is amazing....not to be missed.
Things that are part of our history and culture....how can anyone not agree? But I bet some will.
Having a Son in that elite regiment and guarding the Queen at State do's is just breathtaking.
Our Monarchy is something all English people should be proud of.
Yes I am in total agreement Kenty, just misjudged again. One builds a mental picture of some one, and all too often its totally wrong.

24 Jun 2010

Blue there are many thing I do not like about this country, but it's traditions and history is something others cannot get close to matching.
The Queen is the head of this country and epitomises this countries history.

24 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Blue there are many thing I do not like about this country, but it's traditions and history is something others cannot get close to matching.

The Queen is the head of this country and epitomises this countries history.

Sorry Kent, that is such a sweeping statement. There are plenty of countries (nay, continents even!) with traditions and history to rival ours. It just depends on whether you are a cultural imperialist and believe your own culture has more value/worth than others and therefore belittle the historic/cultural traditions of others.
Me, I am fascinated by history and cultures full stop, and enjoy learning about that of other peoples as well as my own. I would never dream of making culture/tradition/history into a competition, however, or assume that just because I am a part of a particular hsitorical/cultural tradition that it is better than any other.
I am fascinated by British culture and history, but I also find the history and cultures of other countries equally valid and fascinating.
Oh and as an aside, have never seen the trooping of the colour but often saw the soldiers doing the changing of the guard etc when I worked near the Palace. It was very spectacular in a pomp & ceremony kinda way!

24 Jun 2010

I don't see any need to show deference to anyone. Respect, yes, courtesy like letting them through the door first or giving up my seat for the elderly, yes but bowing and scraping like my life is worth less than theirs. Never.
I wouldn't be rude to the Queen, like blowing a raspberry as she passes, but if we were introduced I would look her in the eye, smile, greet her pleasantly and offer a hand to be 'shaken'. Just as I would to anyone else - and the handshake is optional of course, depending on how 'modern' the other person is. My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

24 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
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The Queen is the head of this country and epitomises this countries history.

Ain't that the truth.
But I'm confused.

I thought you didn't like people who 'claimed benefits' from the state? :?
:giggle: bolt

24 Jun 2010

Quote by easy
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The Queen is the head of this country and epitomises this countries history.

Ain't that the truth.
But I'm confused.

I thought you didn't like people who 'claimed benefits' from the state? :?
:giggle: bolt

Correct me if I am wrong but the Queen is paid from the 'Civil List' and her personal allowance is quite small, and costs each British taxpayer just a few pence a year, in fact with the influx of travelers she probably earns money for the country dunno

24 Jun 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
I don't see any need to show deference to anyone. Respect, yes, courtesy like letting them through the door first or giving up my seat for the elderly, yes but bowing and scraping like my life is worth less than theirs. Never.
I wouldn't be rude to the Queen, like blowing a raspberry as she passes, but if we were introduced I would look her in the eye, smile, greet her pleasantly and offer a hand to be 'shaken'. Just as I would to anyone else - and the handshake is optional of course, depending on how 'modern' the other person is. My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

^^^^
What she said! :thumbup:

24 Jun 2010

Quote by easy
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The Queen is the head of this country and epitomises this countries history.

Ain't that the truth.
But I'm confused.

I thought you didn't like people who 'claimed benefits' from the state? :?
:giggle: bolt

She is worth every penny paid to her.
She ain't got a bad back either, and contributes far more to this country, than she receives.
:thumbup::thumbup:

24 Jun 2010

Quote by Dirtygirly
I don't see any need to show deference to anyone. Respect, yes, courtesy like letting them through the door first or giving up my seat for the elderly, yes but bowing and scraping like my life is worth less than theirs. Never.
I wouldn't be rude to the Queen, like blowing a raspberry as she passes, but if we were introduced I would look her in the eye, smile, greet her pleasantly and offer a hand to be 'shaken'. Just as I would to anyone else - and the handshake is optional of course, depending on how 'modern' the other person is. My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

^^^^
What she said! :thumbup:
What they said!
I've met Prince Andrew. We were all told we should curtsy to him. I didn't; I shook his hand and said 'good morning', then spent a few minutes talking to him. He was lovely smile

24 Jun 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

Anatomicaly speaking, your back belongs in an opes S shape.

25 Jun 2010

Who is Prince Andrew? Oh yes he is only the Son of the Monarch, he is not even second in line to the throne. Why would anyone bow to him? Or any of the others?
Yes he and the others do some wonderful things and like Anne especially, work very hard but.....they are not the head of the Monarchy, but the Queen is.
I would bow to the Queen if I ever met her as a sign of respect. I expected no different to some of the answers on here.
In a public arena like the tennis all players should bow or curtsy and am pleased that the Scottish player did, even though he hinted he may not.
As blue said......she costs the taxpayers pennies and is worth having for sure. This is England and the Monarchy is so important in our history, and certainly demands some respect.

25 Jun 2010

Quote by Dirtygirly
I don't see any need to show deference to anyone. Respect, yes, courtesy like letting them through the door first or giving up my seat for the elderly, yes but bowing and scraping like my life is worth less than theirs. Never.
I wouldn't be rude to the Queen, like blowing a raspberry as she passes, but if we were introduced I would look her in the eye, smile, greet her pleasantly and offer a hand to be 'shaken'. Just as I would to anyone else - and the handshake is optional of course, depending on how 'modern' the other person is. My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

^^^^
What she said! :thumbup:
ditto smile

25 Jun 2010

The interesting situation will be when the Queen is no longer with us - not sure how much respect there will be for Charles (assuming he survives his mother) after the gaff he made over the London building site reported in the NEWS today with the possible damage to the country it might do.
Plim :sad:

25 Jun 2010

The interesting situation will be when the Queen is no longer with us - not sure how much respect there will be for Charles (assuming he survives his mother) after the gaff he made over the London building site reported in the NEWS today with the possible damage to the country it might do.
Plim :sad:

25 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

Has she earned your respect?
Jury's still out here; I have a great deal of sympathy for the woman, but respect? You have to feel sorry for any mum who sees three of her four kids end up divorced and who has to pretend to one of her grandsons that he's really related to her when he's not, but respect?

25 Jun 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
I don't see any need to show deference to anyone. Respect, yes, courtesy like letting them through the door first or giving up my seat for the elderly, yes but bowing and scraping like my life is worth less than theirs. Never.
I wouldn't be rude to the Queen, like blowing a raspberry as she passes, but if we were introduced I would look her in the eye, smile, greet her pleasantly and offer a hand to be 'shaken'. Just as I would to anyone else - and the handshake is optional of course, depending on how 'modern' the other person is. My back would remain where how belongs - straight.

Respect :-)
I agree....

25 Jun 2010

My view on the monarchy is that it is the last vestige of an age when might was right. Their wealth and position has been achieved by being able to form bigger and more powerful armies than their competitors, then seizing power and wealth by force.
Thankfully, these days the monarchy is merely an anachronistic tourist attraction, though I'm not blind to work they do in fostering international relations.
I had dinner with the queen once - she was pissed and in a bad mood, but I'm sure she's not always like that

25 Jun 2010

Of course in this modern day and age no one has to bow or curtsy to any one, and I fully respect that view…Peasants! wink

There are cultures such as parts of Japan that use the bow as a greeting. However, bowing is not reserved only for greetings. Bowing is a gesture of respect. Different bows are used for apologies and gratitude, to express different emotions, humility, sincerity, remorse, or deference, and in various traditional arts and religious ceremonies.
When I used to perform a martial art we bowed first to the flags and then to the instructor as we entered the dojang, also as we left the dojang and at various other times, this all forms part of the Etiquette, respect and traditions.
I think bowing/curtsying to the queen is now just a tradition that sadly may not last for many more years :sad:

25 Jun 2010

Quote by awayman
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

Has she earned your respect?
Jury's still out here; I have a great deal of sympathy for the woman, but respect? You have to feel sorry for any mum who sees three of her four kids end up divorced and who has to pretend to one of her grandsons that he's really related to her when he's not, but respect?
which grandson isnt related to her ?

25 Jun 2010

I do have a high respect for the Queen, as I do for many hard working people. What her children or grandchildren may have done has little bearing on it for me
I thought this was an Interesting article

25 Jun 2010

Quote by danne-gary
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

Has she earned your respect?
Jury's still out here; I have a great deal of sympathy for the woman, but respect? You have to feel sorry for any mum who sees three of her four kids end up divorced and who has to pretend to one of her grandsons that he's really related to her when he's not, but respect?
which grandson isnt related to her ?

You decide.

25 Jun 2010

Quote by awayman
Bow or curtsy without a doubt but....only to the Queen.
Our Son is part of the Household Calvary and the traditions are there towards the Monarch, as they are the Queens bodyguard.
Anyone who does not bow or curtsy to the Queen is showing disrespect, in my opinion.

Has she earned your respect?
Jury's still out here; I have a great deal of sympathy for the woman, but respect? You have to feel sorry for any mum who sees three of her four kids end up divorced and who has to pretend to one of her grandsons that he's really related to her when he's not, but respect?
which grandson isnt related to her ?

You decide.
Cant really make a judgment on such flimsy evidence

26 Jun 2010

Quote by awayman

You decide.

I have and I think you talk a load of rubbish at the best of times, but to show such flimsy rubbish is even pushing your own arguements to laughable levels.
Yes I would show her repsect, but then nowadays a lot of people would not know respect if it crawled out from their arses.
In my book she is the Queen and what her kids do has no bearing on that at all...you seem to have gone off topic here.
She has served this country brilliantly for well over 50 years, and just on that alone she should have peoples respect.
She has served this country for longer than most people on this site, have even lived for. THAT is why she deserves respect...I will not bother to explain anymore than that....simples.