No honour amongst thieves (or politicians) eh?
It's official! Bliar is out of the running for the EU Presidency.
Seems Brown has shat big time on Bliar's hope of becoming the European President and is instead supporting a Conservative member of the House of Lords for the Foreign Representative job.
Cool eh?
Bet that swiped the smile off Bliars face and now still leaves him open to prosecution in the Hague for war crimes....
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Brown shits on Bliar
Sex God
After years of waiting for the job to be passed on from Tony is it any real shock that Gordon might twist the knife a little when given the opportunity?
Ooops, apologies, it is Mandelson's replacement as European Commissioner that is now being supported by Broon for the Foreign Affairs ticket... :embarrased:
Moreover.. the bitch Harman is to be be prosecuted in respect of her car accident when she was (allegedly) driving without due care and attention and using her mobile phone :shock:
It's all starting to fall about their ears now...
No doubt she'll be in gawdy's office on Monday pleading for the same treatment as her predecessor when the CPS decided not to prosecute him for decking a protester.
Moreover.. the bitch Harman is to be be prosecuted in respect of her car accident when she was (allegedly) driving without due care and attention and using her mobile phone :shock:
It's all starting to fall about their ears now...
No doubt she'll be in gawdy's office on Monday pleading for the same treatment as her predecessor when the CPS decided not to prosecute him for decking a protester.
Quote by JTS
Actually, it is Baroness Ashton. A labour peer.
And Mr G Brown supported Mr T Blair until it became necessary to change when the large scale support for Belgian Prime Minister Herman van Rompuy became obvious.
Actually, I believe it was the other way about.
When it became clear that Bliar was out of the running (Iraq, too many skeletons etc), Brown switched his attention to Ashton (who has never held an elected position in her life) effectively killing Bliar's chances stone dead.
So much for democracy eh? An unelected Prime Minister backing an unelected candidate for the high representative for European Foreign Affairs job, an activity she has never had any experience in, ever. Can't imagine Barack Obama or Hilary Clinton desperately wishing to pick up the phone to discuss grave international matters with either of these two lightweights really.
Europe, now isolated.
Maybe Brown will send Mandelson back to the Commission to replace Ashton on the Trade brief so at least Mandy keeps some sort of job as he is likely to lose the one he currently has quite soon! Perhaps even give Lord Sugar Mandelson's job. Another unelected crony.
And as for reminding me that Baroness Ashton is a Labour peer, who isn't these days? As David Cameron reminded the House in the Queens Speech debate about Brown's Government Of All the Talents (GOATS), where have they all gone? Never has some much ermine been wasted. Never have so many stoats died in vein! Stoats for the GOATS!
Quote by JTS
And of course the conservative party never packed the house of lords with its own cronies.
No prime minister is elected.
The prime minister is the leader of the party that forms the government.
Obviously, there is an election coming.
Equally:
No Government has appointed so many Peers to ministerial posts as Bliar and Brown have done to avoid scrutiny and debate in the chamber of the House of Commons. How unconstitutional is that?
No leader of the party has been so much anointed as Brown was with threats to end political careers if they opposed him (except, of course, in Banana Republics).
The other two "one liners" are true. In the cast of the last one - bring it on!
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Peers at the moment: November 2009
Conservative 190
Labour 212
Liberal Democrat 71
Crossbench 183
Bishops 26
Other** 23
TOTAL 705
Yep....I can see that Labour has a vast amount more than the conservatives
That's 212 v 190
Oh...and the conservatives have 39 heredity peers.....labour have....2
That's the problem when you rely on "newspapers" for news, or truth.
That leaves 303 peers to vote against what they want to.
Hardly, not even a likkul-tidwy-bit a bulldoze-it-through majority.
Conservative 190
Labour 212
Liberal Democrat 71
Crossbench 183
Bishops 26
Other** 23
TOTAL 705
Yep....I can see that Labour has a vast amount more than the conservatives
That's 212 v 190
Oh...and the conservatives have 39 heredity peers.....labour have....2
That's the problem when you rely on "newspapers" for news, or truth.
That leaves 303 peers to vote against what they want to.
Hardly, not even a likkul-tidwy-bit a bulldoze-it-through majority.
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GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic but its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer like some many others under a Labour controlled administration just now.
Quote by JTS
Peers at the moment: November 2009
Conservative 190
Labour 212
Liberal Democrat 71
Crossbench 183
Bishops 26
Other** 23
TOTAL 705
Yep....I can see that Labour has a vast amount more than the conservatives
That's 212 v 190
Oh...and the conservatives have 39 heredity peers.....labour have....2
That's the problem when you rely on "newspapers" for news, or truth.
That leaves 303 peers to vote against what they want to.
Hardly, not even a likkul-tidwy-bit a bulldoze-it-through majority.
Thanks for that. I can now see why your avatar is so relevant.
I said nothing about numbers in the context of the spread across the political divide, just that there is an unhealthy number of Labour Peers who hold Government portfolios who cannot be called to task in the chamber of the House of Commons.
Quote by GnV
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic and its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer under a Labour controlled administration just now.
I have heard a lot of anti French bullshit over the years, mostly from people who are into Rugby. Personally I quite admire them, because they don't take any shit from anyone. I remember reading a few weeks ago that French lorry drivers were blockading the Spanish boarder. They didn't want the Spaniards undercutting their own farmers on the price of fruit. We are a bloody island in the middle of the North Atlantic, yet we let the propheteers and opportunists import vast amounts of cheap foreign produce while the EU are subsidising British farmers to produce food that is either wasted or added to a ridiculous food mountain.
It is a disgrace, especially when people are starving in the world.
Sex God
IMHO if you dont live here then the entitlement to vote in Elections should be removed....
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IMHO if you dont live here then the entitlement to vote in Elections should be removed....
I understand your point Steve, but what about those who do live here but are not from here, some of whom cannot even speak our language? I'd rather take away their right to vote and give it to the expats. Some of those expats might even return if the political climate changes. Just a thought.
If you think New Labour manipulated the rules just wait till the Tories get in. To paraphrase Mrs T "where there is order let us bring chaos, where a helth service let us bring private medical care and where there is support for low income families let us bring poverty" can't wait :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by BrightonGeezer
IMHO if you dont live here then the entitlement to vote in Elections should be removed....
I understand your point Steve, but what about those who do live here but are not from here, some of whom cannot even speak our language? I'd rather take away their right to vote and give it to the expats. Some of those expats might even return if the political climate changes. Just a thought.
Good points yes....
At least those that are here (even if they cant speak the lingo) are here and dealing with whatever the leaders of the country see fit to throw at them....
Not throwing stones from afar.....
Quote by Steve
IMHO if you dont live here then the entitlement to vote in Elections should be removed....
I understand your point Steve, but what about those who do live here but are not from here, some of whom cannot even speak our language? I'd rather take away their right to vote and give it to the expats. Some of those expats might even return if the political climate changes. Just a thought.
Good points yes....
At least those that are here (even if they cant speak the lingo) are here and dealing with whatever the leaders of the country see fit to throw at them....
Not throwing stones from afar.....
Would that include the withdrawal of their passport too?
I am subject to tax in the UK (and in France). That obviously contributes to those who are currently in receipt of benefits in the UK like job seekers allowances et al....
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If you think New Labour manipulated the rules just wait till the Tories get in. To paraphrase Mrs T "where there is order let us bring chaos, where a helth service let us bring private medical care and where there is support for low income families let us bring poverty" can't wait :thumbup:
If you look at the way things now then surely you will agree that things are worse than the so called "Thatcher years"? I left school in 83, things were tough especially in Scunthorpe where I grew up, but as the trade deficit went down and national debt drastically reduced things got better and better. We are in the same shit now financially, but the deficit is growing and national debt has spiraled out of control. We are crippled with debt and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
I don't think Cameron will make many changes, indeed I doubt he has the balls Thatcher had. Besides the mess he has been left to sort out is insurmountable, much much worse than that left by Callaghan and / or the Lib/Lab pact.
Watch this space.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
I am subject to tax in the UK (and in France). That obviously contributes to those who are currently in receipt of benefits in the UK like job seekers allowances et al....
Oh you had to get that one in didn't you
Believe me......I would rather be working than claiming.....
If I could find work that allowed to just break even every month then I would take it....
And as for paying taxes here well.....
If the withdrawing/surrender of the passport means that someone is no longer liable to pay taxes here then its obviously their choice to keep it and pay taxes
......Unless they have "other interests" here in which case they should pay tax on those "interests" anyway..... Quote by GnV
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic but its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer like some many others under a Labour controlled administration just now.
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
Quote by BrightonGeezer
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic and its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer under a Labour controlled administration just now.
I have heard a lot of anti French bullshit over the years, mostly from people who are into Rugby. Personally I quite admire them, because they don't take any shit from anyone. I remember reading a few weeks ago that French lorry drivers were blockading the Spanish boarder. They didn't want the Spaniards undercutting their own farmers on the price of fruit. We are a bloody island in the middle of the North Atlantic, yet we let the propheteers and opportunists import vast amounts of cheap foreign produce while the EU are subsidising British farmers to produce food that is either wasted or added to a ridiculous food mountain.
It is a disgrace, especially when people are starving in the world.
Really i hate Rugby!!!
Quote by Steve
I am subject to tax in the UK (and in France). That obviously contributes to those who are currently in receipt of benefits in the UK like job seekers allowances et al....
Oh you had to get that one in didn't you
Believe me......I would rather be working than claiming.....
If I could find work that allowed to just break even every month then I would take it....
And as for paying taxes here well.....
If the withdrawing/surrender of the passport means that someone is no longer liable to pay taxes here then its obviously their choice to keep it and pay taxes
......Unless they have "other interests" here in which case they should pay tax on those "interests" anyway.....I know for certain that you would prefer to be working but the point is a valid one, is it not? You made the connection, not I. Glass houses and throwing stones from afar comes to mind.
As for the withdrawal of passports, as a member state of the EU, the British Passport is a required form of legal identity elsewhere in the member states of Europe and cannot be withdrawn as such as the holder would be disenfranchised. Their human rights would therefore be placed at risk and I'm sure you wouldn't want that, would you.
When - if - the EU gets its act together and issues a pan-European Passport or identity card with full interchangeability between member states, the home based passport will take on less significance except for travel outside the member states.
Until then, a British subject living elsewhere in the world retains their entitlement to the protection of the British Sovereign State - and all that it entails.
Quote by jumptoit
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
You'll be voting for one of the little England parties then I guess
Quote by GnV
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
You'll be voting for one of the little England parties then I guess
So do i take it you can not answer that? As for people who live here but not working getting the vote and claiming benefits, these people may not be paying income tax to the government but they will still be contributing money via car tax, vat on purchases of electricity,gas,petrol, they do not contibute absolutely nothing!!
As to who i will be voting for that is between me and the ballot box, but at least i live in the UK and should have a say.
Quote by jumptoit
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
You'll be voting for one of the little England parties then I guess
So do i take it you can not answer that? As for people who live here but not working getting the vote and claiming benefits, these people may not be paying income tax to the government but they will still be contributing money via car tax, vat on purchases of electricity,gas,petrol, they do not contibute absolutely nothing!!
As to who i will be voting for that is between me and the ballot box, but at least i live in the UK and should have a say.
Maybe, if you have the time, you might look a bit further up where I did provide an answer :roll:
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Maybe, if you have the time, you might look a bit further up where I did provide an answer
No.......You answered one of the questions (in a round about Spin Doctor kind of way) and you also saw fit to patronise.....
Sex God
You know full well what I'm reffering to with regards patronising and here is where my contribution ends...
If I am to be banned over something I do in the forum then I want it to be over someone worthy of it.....:mad:
If I am to be banned over something I do in the forum then I want it to be over someone worthy of it.....:mad:
