Browns Letter

10 Nov 2009

story just isn't going to go away.
It just shows how crass this idiot is. He compounds it by then ringing the mother and engages in an argument with her confused

Which she records :? :?
He has a whole army of civil servants and advisers and he exposes himself to this sort of criticism. It gives a fascinating insight to his ineptitude.
And to blame his poor handwriting on the loss of an eye 30 years ago in a rugby match does nothing to help the thousands of truly disabled people who have no problem with their handwriting. I've seen people with no arms write better with a pen held by their teeth or their toes!
You also have to put this hand written letter of condolence into context. Apparently, he also wrote a letter of condolence to a footballer who missed a penalty goal :shock:
He should go.. now. No-one in the Country respects him any more.

10 Nov 2009

I read the report you linked and the comments from the readers. I was surprised to see how many are not in support of the mother but of Brown. I am glad that some were looking at the whole point of the intent of sending a condolence card instead of the narrow point of his spelling.
He is the Prime Minister and very busy. To put time out of his schedule to write to the bereaved shows compassion in my view.
I feel for this womans loss but i feel she loses sympathy in my eyes when she lashes out over spelling mistakes and keeps running off to the papers. I don't think anybody would personally say sorry for this mans death as it could be turned by anyone to say they are admitting liability of it. So they have to watch what tthey say......Brown included
Dave_Notts
PS I ain't a Labour supporter lol

10 Nov 2009

The recent total loss of sight in his eye and the fact that that many believe he may well have dyslexia makes any form of writing difficult...

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve
The recent total loss of sight in his eye and the fact that that many believe he may well have dyslexia makes any form of writing difficult...

Then why not make use of the army of advisers, flunkies and secretaries he has? God knows, we pay enough for them confused

It is not in the least insincere to "top and tail" a personal typed message.
I just shows bad judgement in my opinion and proves the point that he just won't listen to reason.
If he is not up to the job, he should step down. People do that every day in real life when they can no longer manage.

Quote by Dave_Notts
I was surprised to see how many are not in support of the mother but of Brown.

Has it occurred to you that all those posters are probably from the Cabinet Office? wink

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
It is not in the least insincere to "top and tail" a personal typed message.
I just shows bad judgement in my opinion and proves the point that he just won't listen to reason.
If he is not up to the job, he should step down. People do that every day in real life when they can no longer manage.

So because he is disabled he should step down dunno

I dare say if one of your own was refused a job on that basis you would be up in arms ;-)
I agree he should have used his advisors etc but he felt a personally written letter was a far better thing to receive than a standard typed out letter its just unfortunate that it has backfired .....

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve

It is not in the least insincere to "top and tail" a personal typed message.
I just shows bad judgement in my opinion and proves the point that he just won't listen to reason.
If he is not up to the job, he should step down. People do that every day in real life when they can no longer manage.

So because he is disabled he should step down dunno

I dare say if one of your own was refused a job on that basis you would be up in arms ;-)
I agree he should have used his advisors etc but he felt a personally written letter was a far better thing to receive than a standard typed out letter its just unfortunate that it has backfired .....
I didn't say that Steve.. I said that if he is no longer up to the job, he should step down.
Quite different to what you are suggesting...
Bad judgement in a Prime Minister is not something we can afford, surely!

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Kaznkev
so you would have more respect for him if he sat on his arse and did nothing,

I'd have more respect for him if he did the decent thing and called an election now.

Quote by kaznkev
The attacks on brown ranging from his disability to his mental health show just how intolerant of any difference this country can be
yeah it would be much better if some flunky produced some formula response than a note with real meaning!
Looks like the american/australian millionare is going to dictate to the idiots we call voters ,again

What, like when they sided with New Labour?

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Kaznkev
so you would have more respect for him if he sat on his arse and did nothing,
The attacks on brown ranging from his disability to his mental health show just how intolerant of any difference this country can be
yeah it would be much better if some flunky produced some formula response than a note with real meaning!
Looks like the american/australian millionare is going to dictate to the idiots we call voters ,again

^This^. Seems he's damned if he does, damned if he don't. I wonder what kind of outcry there'd have been if the soaraway Sun had revealed that Gordon Brown gets some junior civil servant to run off a copy of a form letter that he can just add his scribble to the end of? confused

The guy tries to make the whole thing a bit more personal and heartfelt by writing it up himself, and for that he finds himself castigated cos, being half-blind, his hand-writing leaves something to be desired. It's a bloody nasty little non-story.

Quote by Gordon Brown
I take very seriously my responsibility to the bereaved. Every time I write a letter to mothers and fathers and partners who have suffered bereavement to express my sincere condolences, it is a moment of personal sadness to me. And I am in awe of the bravery and sacrifice of the men and women of our armed forces. I send a handwritten letter to every family and I often write to more than one member of the family.
I have telephoned Jacqui Janes to apologise for any unintended mistake in the letter. To all other families whom I have written to, I can only apologise if my handwriting is difficult to read. I have at all times acted in good faith seeking to do the right thing. I do not think anyone will believe that I write letters with any intent to cause offence.

Neil x x x ;)

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Dave__Notts
I read the report you linked and the comments from the readers. I was surprised to see how many are not in support of the mother but of Brown. I am glad that some were looking at the whole point of the intent of sending a condolence card instead of the narrow point of his spelling.
He is the Prime Minister and very busy. To put time out of his schedule to write to the bereaved shows compassion in my view.
I feel for this womans loss but i feel she loses sympathy in my eyes when she lashes out over spelling mistakes and keeps running off to the papers. I don't think anybody would personally say sorry for this mans death as it could be turned by anyone to say they are admitting liability of it. So they have to watch what tthey say......Brown included
Dave_Notts
PS I ain't a Labour supporter

100% agree.
A perfect example of how the press manipulate the situation. He doesn't write a letter and he is damned as uncaring and nasty, he does, and he is insensitive and rude. He tries to call the woman to resolve the situation, and all she is interested in is recording the call to use to sell to the Scum, rather than listening to his explanation.
She is not interested in any platitudes or sympathy, all she (and Murdoch's cronies) wants is the pound of flesh.
(In Edit : Neil got their just before me and far more eruditely! Sorry for the repetition!)

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Resonance
100% agree.
A perfect example of how the press manipulate the situation. He doesn't write a letter and he is damned as uncaring and nasty, he does, and he is insensitive and rude. He tries to call the woman to resolve the situation, and all she is interested in is recording the call to use to sell to the Scum, rather than listening to his explanation.
She is not interested in any platitudes or sympathy, all she (and Murdoch's cronies) wants is the pound of flesh.
(In Edit : Neil got their just before me and far more eruditely! Sorry for the repetition!)

don't worry res.... I was going to say to the same thing...
I know the woman is grieving, shes lost her son! And I realise that she is in pain, but he was never going to do any right in her eyes...
so for someone to A) record the private conversation to begin with to which he tried to apologise and rectify the situation and B) to then make the cold hearted decision to sell it on to a national newspaper smacks of being really vendictive
if he had just release a statement he would have been damned for being impersonal... he was never going to win....
oh... and GnV.... do you have the same disrespect for John Major.... I only ask because he and his last conservative administration were under the same calls to call an election, and then held out to the last possible date to have one.....
or does your faux-rage only point one way?
)

10 Nov 2009

I realise he is a politician and therefore deserves the muck the media choose to throw at him usually.
I think this is a disgusting way to treat any PM of any colour in these circumstances.

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
Bad judgement in a Prime Minister is not something we can afford, surely!

I didn't know GB was in charge of France as well.....

10 Nov 2009

Quote by fabio
snip..
oh... and GnV.... do you have the same disrespect for John Major.... I only ask because he and his last conservative administration were under the same calls to call an election, and then held out to the last possible date to have one.....
or does your faux-rage only point one way?
)

John Major was the elected leader of the party when the Conservatives were returned to power with a mandate from the Country, so therefore had legitimacy.
Gordon Brown was/is not. wink

10 Nov 2009

Is it just me, or am I alone in thinking that the leader of a first world country should at least be able to spell? Perhaps that's why Prone Bannister Gridiron Brow gave millions to the BHS last year. And as for the extra solders being sent to Alfgarnetstan - they have enough small bits of metal already.
:evil2:

10 Nov 2009

A general election is to vote in a Party and not a person...
So basing an argument on the fact GB was not elected is frankly ridiculous......

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV

snip..
oh... and GnV.... do you have the same disrespect for John Major.... I only ask because he and his last conservative administration were under the same calls to call an election, and then held out to the last possible date to have one.....
or does your faux-rage only point one way?
)

John Major was the elected leader of the party when the Conservatives were returned to power with a mandate from the Country, so therefore had legitimacy.
Gordon Brown was/is not. wink

He was still unelected by the people when he took power and waited two years before he announced a general election.

10 Nov 2009

As people on here are well aware, I hate Labour and it's deliberate attemp to destroy Britain and It's history.
I hated Blair and I certainly dislike Brown.
But I have to say he is being treated a tad unfairly here....shock horror I hear you cry,,,,what Kenty saying something nice for a change? Well no not exactly wink

, the guy is a 100% arse and his handling of this war is inept and useless to the extremes but....the guy would never have deliberatly done this.
His spelling yes is dreadful, his attitude stinks at the best of times, but a bad mistake yes, but a mistake is all it was.
I want him to go...he is a complete muppet but this I do feel is a bit unfair.
Now where are me sandals and me copy of the Guardian, and then when I have done that I will be out cycling. lol

:lol:, and put me application in for a social workers position. :wink:

10 Nov 2009

Quote by flower411
A general election is to vote in a Party and not a person...
So basing an argument on the fact GB was not elected is frankly ridiculous......

Honestly !!! I can`t believe that anybody thinks that the great British voter votes for a particular party !!
They vote for personalities which is why Gordon has refused to face the electorate. He knew he never stood a chance right from the start and has taken government of this country to an extraordinary low.
Regardless of how you or I think that is the way it is....
It is the party that is elected into power based on their visions for the future and what they propose to do for the electorate...

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve
A general election is to vote in a Party and not a person...
So basing an argument on the fact GB was not elected is frankly ridiculous......

Honestly !!! I can`t believe that anybody thinks that the great British voter votes for a particular party !!
They vote for personalities which is why Gordon has refused to face the electorate. He knew he never stood a chance right from the start and has taken government of this country to an extraordinary low.
Regardless of how you or I think that is the way it is....
It is the party that is elected into power based on their visions for the future and what they propose to do for the electorate...
Like promising a referendum on the Lisbon treaty perhaps..
When such an import issue as that is reneged on, surely they lose credibility and the only way to maintain legitimacy is to go to the Country for a new mandate dunno

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Mr-Powers

snip..
oh... and GnV.... do you have the same disrespect for John Major.... I only ask because he and his last conservative administration were under the same calls to call an election, and then held out to the last possible date to have one.....
or does your faux-rage only point one way?
)

John Major was the elected leader of the party when the Conservatives were returned to power with a mandate from the Country, so therefore had legitimacy.
Gordon Brown was/is not. wink

He was still unelected by the people when he took power and waited two years before he announced a general election.
Well, in this case, it is an irrelevance, since GB is unlikely to be returned as the elected leader of the winning party at the next General Election :wink:

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
Like promising a referendum on the Lisbon treaty perhaps..

Dont see any point in a referendum as the treaty has been ratified by the courts has it not..... dunno

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve

Like promising a referendum on the Lisbon treaty perhaps..

Dont see any point in a referendum as the treaty has been ratified by the courts has it not..... dunno

Now, yes. There is no point. But a referendum was promised by Bliar before the treaty was signed into law which is what both he and Brown reneged on.

10 Nov 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
As people on here are well aware, I hate Labour and it's deliberate attemp to destroy Britain and It's history.
I hated Blair and I certainly dislike Brown.
But I have to say he is being treated a tad unfairly here....shock horror I hear you cry,,,,what Kenty saying something nice for a change? Well no not exactly , the guy is a 100% arse and his handling of this war is inept and useless to the extremes but....the guy would never have deliberatly done this.
His spelling yes is dreadful, his attitude stinks at the best of times, but a bad mistake yes, but a mistake is all it was.
I want him to go...he is a complete muppet but this I do feel is a bit unfair.
Now where are me sandals and me copy of the Guardian, and then when I have done that I will be out cycling. :lol:, and put me application in for a social workers position. :wink:

What is Gaunty's view on the matter innocent

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve

Bad judgement in a Prime Minister is not something we can afford, surely!

I didn't know GB was in charge of France as well.....
He isn't, thank goodness (even though he say in the House of Commons once recently that he was just back from saving the world).
FranÃ§ois Fillon is doing a very fine job here, thank you very much.

10 Nov 2009

What I don't understand is why Brown, who must surely know by now that he is the most unpopular prime minister ever, continues to indulge himself in everyone's business. I'm sure everyone feels sorry every time a mother loses a son, but these things happen all day every day. The only reason for Brown to write a letter to this particular woman is because her son's death was in the public eye. Brown is jumping on every passing bandwagon now, never missing the opportunity to add his twopenny worth, but to try and make himself look good by using the death of this young chap is disgusting.
He has to go, and the sooner the better...

10 Nov 2009

Quote by BrightonGeezer
What I don't understand is why Brown, who must surely know by now that he is the most unpopular prime minister ever, continues to indulge himself in everyone's business. I'm sure everyone feels sorry every time a mother loses a son, but these things happen all day every day. The only reason for Brown to write a letter to this particular woman is because her son's death was in the public eye. Brown is jumping on every passing bandwagon now, never missing the opportunity to add his twopenny worth, but to try and make himself look good by using the death of this young chap is disgusting.
He has to go, and the sooner the better...

Amen to that!
Surely, the revelation that he also writes these personal notes of condolence to footballers who fail to score penalties demeans the whole concept that handwriting this note was intended to convey more meaning?
There is no shame in the fact that he lost the sight in one eye and that his handwriting is illegible or that he may be dyslexic. A typed letter of condolence from the Prime Minister is in itself something the recipient should be able to treasure and draw comfort from, not something that appears to have been scrawled embarrassingly on Number 10 toilet paper whilst taking a dump.
An apparently hastily scribbled badly constructed missive full of spelling mistakes conveys the wrong message entirely and says everything about the PM's arrogance.
That is why this issue is rightly, in my view, in the forefront of media reporting at the moment.
It is a unique insight in to the man and confirmation of all the anecdotal references to his demeanour.
For her part, Mrs Janes supported the reasons why troops are in Afghanistan in her conversation with GB. Trying to twist the thing round to castigate her for this appalling episode is dreadful.

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
For her part, Mrs Janes supported the reasons why troops are in Afghanistan in her conversation with GB. Trying to twist the thing round to castigate her for this appalling episode is dreadful.

What so she routinely records all her telephone conversations then and she felt so insensed by the call from GB she just had to sell it to the papers not for the money you understand as everything she received for her story(ies) will go to support charities who help to look after the troops......
What a woman.....

10 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve

For her part, Mrs Janes supported the reasons why troops are in Afghanistan in her conversation with GB. Trying to twist the thing round to castigate her for this appalling episode is dreadful.

What so she routinely records all her telephone conversations then and she felt so insensed by the call from GB she just had to sell it to the papers not for the money you understand as everything she received for her story(ies) will go to support charities who help to look after the troops......
What a woman.....
You'd have to ask her that.
Did she get paid for her contribution? dunno

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
As people on here are well aware, I hate Labour and it's deliberate attemp to destroy Britain and It's history.
I hated Blair and I certainly dislike Brown.
But I have to say he is being treated a tad unfairly here....shock horror I hear you cry,,,,what Kenty saying something nice for a change? Well no not exactly , the guy is a 100% arse and his handling of this war is inept and useless to the extremes but....the guy would never have deliberatly done this.
His spelling yes is dreadful, his attitude stinks at the best of times, but a bad mistake yes, but a mistake is all it was.
I want him to go...he is a complete muppet but this I do feel is a bit unfair.
Now where are me sandals and me copy of the Guardian, and then when I have done that I will be out cycling. :lol:, and put me application in for a social workers position. :wink:

What is Gaunty's view on the matter innocent

I have not listened to him today GNV but.....I do not have to guess his reactions to this.
Ah the old referendum eh??? Another thread is called for GNV I think.

10 Nov 2009

Quote by GnV
As people on here are well aware, I hate Labour and it's deliberate attemp to destroy Britain and It's history.
I hated Blair and I certainly dislike Brown.
But I have to say he is being treated a tad unfairly here....shock horror I hear you cry,,,,what Kenty saying something nice for a change? Well no not exactly , the guy is a 100% arse and his handling of this war is inept and useless to the extremes but....the guy would never have deliberatly done this.
His spelling yes is dreadful, his attitude stinks at the best of times, but a bad mistake yes, but a mistake is all it was.
I want him to go...he is a complete muppet but this I do feel is a bit unfair.
Now where are me sandals and me copy of the Guardian, and then when I have done that I will be out cycling. :lol:, and put me application in for a social workers position. :wink:

What is Gaunty's view on the matter innocent

I have not listened to him today GNV but.....I do not have to guess his reactions to this.
Ah the old referendum eh??? Another thread is called for GNV I think. :wink: