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foxylady2209
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Adults don't automatically know what is best for their babies. They need to ne taught, whether that is by their parents, by their school, health visitor or whatever.
I don't believe the majority of parents don't care (although some fall into that category) I believe the majority of parents who demonstrate poor dietry/lifestyle habits or feed their toddlers chips at every meal simply don't know how damaging it is.
And I know the school system is not there to fix society's problems, and I'm sure many parents might feel insulted that the school is teaching their kids about proper nutrition when they are doing that themselves. But the fact is a school is a cpative audience of a whole generation. It has the facilities if not the resurces to provide that kind of education and resources can be provided.
If we want to break this cycle of inadequate parents bringing up the next generation to be inadequate parents we can do it. Not to be a nanny state - but because they have access to just about every child for 10-14 years. It's a huge opportunity. Maybe we can't do much for this generation of adults - but we could increase the chances of the next significantly simply by treating 'domestic/life principles' as a subject that can be taught.
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
I remain convinced that the majority of obese adults need do nothing ore than to stop drinking alcohol. You ever looked up the calories in a bottle of 12% red wine?

Everyone's got a favourite approach to this Ben, and none of them chime with the majority of the population who need to lose weight.
Do parents need to learn to cook and prepare food? Probably. Paying a scientist or an advertising man to hector them about that isn't the answer. Good, local, community cooking classes might.
Does alcohol have a role in increased weight? Undoubtedly. But men doing physical labour drank stratospheric amounts of beer in the past and were not morbidly obese. So the balance message is important.
At the heart of this is the fact that so much of the weight loss industry is dedicated to obscuring the idea of balance so that they can sell the latest fad, the latest pseudo scientific bollocks dreamed up by lying crooks like Gillian McKeith. You can't sell someone a country walk, so no-one promotes it as a better alternative than some awful tasting yoghurt full of pretentiously labelled micro organisms that are supposed to make you shit your way to a beautiful profile.
/rant
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These are fair points.
sexyslut79
Warming the Bed
Quote by kentswingers777
that's settled then all fatties are wino`s :silly:

Well that is a new one on me Rob?
What are the kids excuses for being fat then? Are they also on the booze?
Of course not yet we have a massive ammount of kids that are way overweight and it has nothing to do with alcohol, but everything to do with what they eat, no different to adults.
I would like to know that if some people think drink is the reason people are fat, then why are kids fat, or is there a different type of
obesity?
Apart from not eating the right kind of food, they don't do enough exercise. When I was young, schoolchildren cycled or walked to school. These days, their parents drive them to school.
Four years ago, a study commissioned by the EU revealed that British children were far more likely to be knocked down by a car than their counterparts elsewhere in Europe. Our government were surprised by this, because according to other studies, the british are the second safest drivers in the EU (after the Swedes), so they commissioned research into the reasons. The researchers came to the conclusion that because so many parents drive their children to school these days, British children don't get the chance to develop their skills in road safety like they used to. Interestingly, it seemed the reason so many British parents drive their children to school is because thanks to the media, they are paranoid about paedophiles, despite the fact that our rate hasn't changed since records began, and is lower than those of many other countries in Europe such as Germany, France and Belgium.
Is there a link here to other statistics which show that the English (not the Scots) are the fourth most badly educated and ill informed people in the EU, and that the gap between the rich and poor in Britain is the fourth biggest in the entire developed world?
Unknown User
Fair points.
Is food cheaper and more available in the 21st century?
I seem to recall as a child that a fish and chip supper and a bottle of coke were beyond us.
sexyslut79
Warming the Bed
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Fair points.
Is food cheaper and more available in the 21st century?
I seem to recall as a child that a fish and chip supper and a bottle of coke were beyond us.

No, it's more expensive, but the rich and the well-off are much better off than they were forty years ago, whilst the poor are much poorer in relation, but all have credit cards. Good old Milton Friedman eh?!?!
vampanya
Orgasminator
Im not sure it had an awful lot to do with expense. A bag of potatos isn't as expensive as a bag of frozen chips or pack of waffles for one thing. When i was a kid there were no ready meals.
Fresh veggies dont cost a great deal, they are however more time consuming and require a bit more skill and imagination than piercing film lid and microwaving on full power for 8 mins to have a tasty meal.
I think part of the problem today is time. It's not the only one.. but i think its perhaps more a of factor than money in a healthy balanced diet. People buy whats quick and easy.
It's easier and quicker to get kids to eat chicken nuggets and frozen chips than have them pull faces over a carefully prepared healthy alternative.
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Yup cooking can be a real bind when you both work full time.
vampanya
Orgasminator
Yeah, that was the point i was sort of making but missed out lol. I'll bet there were more mums at home full time 30 years ago than now.
GnV
Sex God
I remember my (young) nephews and their Mum and Dad (my brother) coming to stay with us in the countryside in Essex 30 odd years ago. We got some peas in the pod from a local farm.
MY SIL said, "for Christ's sake don't tell the kids the peas came from the pod, they won't eat 'em. They think peas come from tins!"
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Quote by vampanya
Yeah, that was the point i was sort of making but missed out lol. I'll bet there were more mums at home full time 30 years ago than now.

That is without doubt true Vamps.
Nowadays there are far too many " latch key kids " who come home from school and not a parent in sight.
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Yes and I find it a terrible bind recruiting reliable au pairs.
foxylady2209
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Quote by vampanya
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It's easier and quicker to get kids to eat chicken nuggets and frozen chips than have them pull faces over a carefully prepared healthy alternative.

They only pull faces if they haven't been brought up on real food in the first place. My son was fed a wide range of food from fish fingers to home-made chicken casserole with cabbage and mashed potatoes. All meals were treated the same - as something tasty that he would enjoy. Parents that try one stew once the kids are 10 and hand it over almost apologetically are the ones who have taught their children that this new food is not going to be nice.
But nuking a meal can be a lot slower than cooking a real meal. Not for one - that would take maybe 7 minutes, But what about feeding 3 kids and 1 or 2 adults. You have to nuke each box separately or do 2 for longer. You end up standing there manning the microwave for up to 50 minutes. And the first lot is cold or eaten before the last lot gets served. Not practical for a family at all. OK serving up chicken nuggets and chips and tinned peas is easy - but it's not food that should form a major part of a growing child's nutrition.
vampanya
Orgasminator
Quote by foxylady2209
*snip*
It's easier and quicker to get kids to eat chicken nuggets and frozen chips than have them pull faces over a carefully prepared healthy alternative.

They only pull faces if they haven't been brought up on real food in the first place.My son was fed a wide range of food from fish fingers to home-made chicken casserole with cabbage and mashed potatoes. All meals were treated the same - as something tasty that he would enjoy. Parents that try one stew once the kids are 10 and hand it over almost apologetically are the ones who have taught their children that this new food is not going to be nice.
But nuking a meal can be a lot slower than cooking a real meal. Not for one - that would take maybe 7 minutes, But what about feeding 3 kids and 1 or 2 adults. You have to nuke each box separately or do 2 for longer. You end up standing there manning the microwave for up to 50 minutes. And the first lot is cold or eaten before the last lot gets served. Not practical for a family at all. OK serving up chicken nuggets and chips and tinned peas is easy - but it's not food that should form a major part of a growing child's nutrition.
Your son was lucky to have a parent who understood the importance of good food, and insisted upon him eating it.
But kids do pull faces at broccolli. They perhaps might not if proper food was ALL they ever ate but kids know of the alternatives, they know what they think they are missing and if a little bit of pressure can be applied to get a meal they prefer, then it might be worth doing.
I'm not critisising working parents either. I'm just saying that IMO, lack of time/busy parents is possibly another factor contributing to child obesity where it occurs.
Another one i think, perhaps another major one even, is school lunch times. When i was 11 for 2 years i took my dinner money and went to the chippy EVERY DAY. (we only stopped because the upper school was much further away from any chippys) Thats 5 days a week having chips and gravy for dinner. The queues of school kids at the chippy every day suggest that nothing really has changed since then either. No amount of Jamie Oliver school dinners is going to fix that one!
Add to that a sugar loaded cereal breakfast every day and it only takes one or 2 ready meals on top of that a week to have a pretty terrible diet all round.
Did anyone see it on the news a while ago where some parents in Rotherham were so outraged that the school had locked the kids in on lunch time to make them eat Jamies school dinners that when the kids went on hunger strike every lunch time, the parents went to the chip shop and threw bags of chips over the fence to the kids rather than let the little darlings be so badly mistreated by the school? Fancy trying to make them eat healthy food! Whatever is the world coming to!
GnV
Sex God
Quote by vampanya
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Another one i think, perhaps another major one even, is school lunch times. When i was 11 for 2 years i took my dinner money and went to the chippy EVERY DAY. (we only stopped because the upper school was much further away from any chippys) Thats 5 days a week having chips and gravy for dinner. The queues of school kids at the chippy every day suggest that nothing really has changed since then either. No amount of Jamie Oliver school dinners is going to fix that one!

That was some doing! Getting close to the formula for eternal life there!! Any pointers on how I can be 59 for 5 years?
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Or 51 for thirty years? lol
vampanya
Orgasminator
There isn't an emotcon for
'that was so funny i just sprayed my Special K all over the desk'
is there?
Freckledbird
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Yeah, that was the point i was sort of making but missed out lol. I'll bet there were more mums at home full time 30 years ago than now.

That is without doubt true Vamps.
Nowadays there are far too many " latch key kids " who come home from school and not a parent in sight.
Still, that's better than their parents sponging off the state and sitting on their arses all day, eh?
GnV
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
Yeah, that was the point i was sort of making but missed out lol. I'll bet there were more mums at home full time 30 years ago than now.

That is without doubt true Vamps.
Nowadays there are far too many " latch key kids " who come home from school and not a parent in sight.
Still, that's better than their parents sponging off the state and sitting on their arses all day, eh?
Both my parents worked. There were times when I got home from school that neither parent was home (although my mum was a teacher - at a different school to the one I went to, thankfully!) but there was always some bread in the cupboard and a tub of margarine (we weren't posh) and some potted beef to make myself something to eat until the rest of the family were home and a family tea was organised - missed at your peril!!
Kids need to be given some independence but at the same time taught a set of values which sadly lacks in the family unit these days.