Cocopops

4 Aug 2010

Some of the points he makes are perfectly relevant, albeit covered in PR clap-trap.
There's no such thing as a bad food, it's down to frequency and quantity that we eat. There's no problem eating a breakfast that contains 10% of GDA (GDA IIRC refers to adult consumption) for sugar as long as you adjust the rest of the days intake accordingly (and clean your teeth after the meal :lol2: ).
In my experience most people have little or no understanding of what the labels on food refer to, how to use the information or how to manage their diet, which is why I kind of agree with him about the 'traffic light' system of product information. It's pointless making foods bad as all it does is add self-denial and guilt to a natural activity ........ then again certain churches have been doing that for hundreds of years. innocent

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We need to consider what and how much we eat in the context of an extended time period and not just at each meal.

14 Aug 2010

we r not fat we r not thin but we get fed up being told what s good for u.
we love stews in winter...n a little bit of salard in summer.
and once every cpl or yrs or so we get a cold.....
first u must not eat that,,,,then told to eat it....
we eat what we want when we want....we not at school no more.
next it be too much sex is not good for u. lol

14 Aug 2010

Quote by twos_company
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next it be too much sex is not good for u.

well, is seems it depends on your gender.. see

14 Aug 2010

Quote by GnV
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next it be too much sex is not good for u.

well, is seems it depends on your gender.. see
I'm sooooo happy to be female after reading that!! :eeek:

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Funlovers2009
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next it be too much sex is not good for u.

well, is seems it depends on your gender.. see
I'm sooooo happy to be female after reading that!! :eeek:
perhaps I should be more in touch with female side then.....

14 Aug 2010

Quote by easy
We need to consider what and how much we eat in the context of an extended time period and not just at each meal.

Exactly!
The old saying goes " all things in moderation ".
Unfortunately a lot of Mothers are like this....

Being fat/obese is a huge problem in this country, and invariably overweight kids come from overweight parents, I see that at the cake counter at Sainsbury.s every week.
When I was a child there was not this problem, even though kids still ate foods that were bad for them, it is just nowadays they are eating way too much of the stuff.
It is no different to an adult eating a fried breakfast everyday, if it was once a week there would be no problem.
Kellogs is looking at ways to cut the sugar and salt ammounts in it's food, which surely is a good thing and shows the company are listening?
Also the artical states " Nonetheless one in six children does not eat breakfast ". Is that not just as irresponsible? Breakfast is THE most important meal of the day, yet many parents let the kids leave home with nothing.
Of course high sugar and salt levels are not good for a child, but then again nor is takeaways every night of the week either.
No point in giving kids a healthy bowl of whatever is healthy in the morning, only to then feed them with a Mars bar on the way to school, and then a KFC and a bottle of Coke in the evening.....every evening.
Yes Kellogs have a responsibility but then again so do parents, and you have to question the growing levels of obesity in adults.....all about education.
The question I would like to know is....are the cereals of today, any different to the cereals I was eating in the 60's? With regard to salt and sugar levels.
Until I know the answer to that one, then the answer could be one of many things.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
We need to consider what and how much we eat in the context of an extended time period and not just at each meal.

Exactly!
The old saying goes " all things in moderation ".
Unfortunately a lot of Mothers are like this....

Being fat/obese is a huge problem in this country, and invariably overweight kids come from overweight parents, I see that at the cake counter at Sainsbury.s every week.
When I was a child there was not this problem, even though kids still ate foods that were bad for them, it is just nowadays they are eating way too much of the stuff.
It is no different to an adult eating a fried breakfast everyday, if it was once a week there would be no problem.
Kellogs is looking at ways to cut the sugar and salt ammounts in it's food, which surely is a good thing and shows the company are listening?
Also the artical states " Nonetheless one in six children does not eat breakfast ". Is that not just as irresponsible? Breakfast is THE most important meal of the day, yet many parents let the kids leave home with nothing.
Of course high sugar and salt levels are not good for a child, but then again nor is takeaways every night of the week either.
No point in giving kids a healthy bowl of whatever is healthy in the morning, only to then feed them with a Mars bar on the way to school, and then a KFC and a bottle of Coke in the evening.....every evening.
Yes Kellogs have a responsibility but then again so do parents, and you have to question the growing levels of obesity in adults.....all about education.
The question I would like to know is....are the cereals of today, any different to the cereals I was eating in the 60's? With regard to salt and sugar levels.
Until I know the answer to that one, then the answer could be one of many things.
I think you're right to say the answer could be one of many things. Good diet is only one aspect of public health management, alongside exercise and a healthy activity level.
But there's a fatal flaw at the heart of public health policy. Ask people if they want to live longer, if that longer life means extra years as a victim of long term debilitating illness like Alzheimers, and they're at best ambivalent. Telling them they'll die earlier than they should isn't much of an incentive if the alternative is an extra 3.7 years, or whatever, in high level care.
We need to stop assuming people don't know the risks of obesity, drinking or smoking, and start addressing the choices they do make, even though they know the risks.
I'll say one other thing. So much sport is consumed through the TV now, not at the pitchside, that kids don't see there's honour and respect in being the best player in a lower league team, or a regular player in a side that won't ever progress beyond the minor leagues. We also don't teach them how to be proud of their improvement; in celebrity obsessed UK going from the fifth team to the fourth team may seem a small achievement, but to a kid it should be an achievement.

14 Aug 2010

Breakfast cereals are often marketed as being "healthy". They aint are they really. The last thing on the manufacurers mind is nutrition and the first is profit. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.
Most breakfast cereals are no healthier than a mars bar I reckon.

14 Aug 2010

One of the problems is caused by schools, and their sports policies.
For a few years now sport and the participation in sport has not been a major issue for many schools. Kids need to be encouraged to get away from their games consoles and their tv's and get involved. But it is also true that the ability to lose and to win was not on some of their agendas, as to lose apparently put a negative spin on things.
As a child we were forced if that is the right word, to take part in sport at school. We as kids in the 60's of course ate unhealthy food but the difference then was that we was always out, running around in parks. Nowadays kids lounge around at home on the computer or such like, and get very little exercise.
I got a proper cooked meal at home like all of my friends did, as the takeaway option just was not there, certainly not in the capacity it is today.
Yes of course kids can eat unhealthy food....they always did, but there is far too much of that now with basically lazy parents.
A proper parent will monitor what their child eats on a daily basis, and that parent's ability to give that child a healthy balanced diet of good food, with a little crap food as kids will always prefer the crap over the good....Mars bars etc.
Watching what your child eats along with exercise and basic common sense, would cut out virtually all of the obesity we are now seeing in kids. It is not rocket science.
But obese parents do not happen overnight, and their own eating habits are passed onto their kids, which in turn makes for fat kids.....a catch 22 situation that God knows how you can break it.
But certainly Kellogs are heading in the right direction, and should surely be applauded?

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Most breakfast cereals are no healthier than a mars bar I reckon.

I would say that a Mars was far more unhealthy than your average cereal.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Most breakfast cereals are no healthier than a mars bar I reckon.

I would say that a Mars was far more unhealthy than your average cereal.
The focus on 'healthy' versus 'unhealthy' foods is part of the problem. Matching intake of calories to activity levels is what matters.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by awayman
Most breakfast cereals are no healthier than a mars bar I reckon.

I would say that a Mars was far more unhealthy than your average cereal.
The focus on 'healthy' versus 'unhealthy' foods is part of the problem. Matching intake of calories to activity levels is what matters.
So, so long as you consume no more calories than you use for exercise you could eat nothing but sugar? Bit simplistic.
Energy input-output balance is important for stable weight - agreed. But eating 'healthily' is just as vital. I am using the word 'healthy' as shorthand for nutritionally balanced. It certainly doesn't require a season-ticket to the nearest health-food store. Just a varied diet with an emphasis on fresh, not-too processed foods.

14 Aug 2010

Fair points foxy and frankly fewer foods are more processed than breakfast cereals.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
Most breakfast cereals are no healthier than a mars bar I reckon.

I would say that a Mars was far more unhealthy than your average cereal.
The focus on 'healthy' versus 'unhealthy' foods is part of the problem. Matching intake of calories to activity levels is what matters.
So, so long as you consume no more calories than you use for exercise you could eat nothing but sugar? Bit simplistic.
Energy input-output balance is important for stable weight - agreed. But eating 'healthily' is just as vital. I am using the word 'healthy' as shorthand for nutritionally balanced. It certainly doesn't require a season-ticket to the nearest health-food store. Just a varied diet with an emphasis on fresh, not-too processed foods.
Of course it's a bit simplistic.
But since the public health problem being targeted is obesity, an approach that relates calories to activity rather than fashionable faddishness is probably the best place to start. Of course we wouldn't want to see scurvy make a comeback, but calorie watching without relating food consumption to activity is to invite trouble.

14 Aug 2010

I remain convinced that the majority of obese adults need do nothing ore than to stop drinking alcohol. You ever looked up the calories in a bottle of 12% red wine?

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I remain convinced that the majority of obese adults need do nothing ore than to stop drinking alcohol. You ever looked up the calories in a bottle of 12% red wine?

You want to try pastry - one look at the cals in that and you'll never enjoy a pie from Greggs again. When I'm obsessing about my weight I don't see food anymore - I just see calories. It takes the joy out of food.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I remain convinced that the majority of obese adults need do nothing ore than to stop drinking alcohol. You ever looked up the calories in a bottle of 12% red wine?

Also to keep the fridge door firmly shut!

14 Aug 2010

that's settled then all fatties are wino`s :silly:

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
that's settled then all fatties are wino`s :silly:

Well that is a new one on me Rob?
What are the kids excuses for being fat then? Are they also on the booze?
Of course not yet we have a massive ammount of kids that are way overweight and it has nothing to do with alcohol, but everything to do with what they eat, no different to adults.
I would like to know that if some people think drink is the reason people are fat, then why are kids fat, or is there a different type of obesity?

14 Aug 2010

There are many reasons for obesity
Six pints of lager a week though is sufficient to ensure a body weight increase of about a stone for a bloke over a year assuming food is not sacrificed.
Makes ya think dont it.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
There are many reasons for obesity
Six pints of lager a week though is sufficient to ensure a body weight increase of about a stone for a bloke over a year assuming food is not sacrificed.
Makes ya think dont it.

no what made me think ben was when a good friend was diagnosed with an under active thyroid
your not brucie in disguise are you lol

14 Aug 2010

Why did that make you think?

14 Aug 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Why did that make you think?

it made me realise that to be obese you don't need to over eat or drink
and was quite shocked at the figures he quoted for people suffering the same and opposite problem

14 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
that's settled then all fatties are wino`s :silly:

Well that is a new one on me Rob?
What are the kids excuses for being fat then? Are they also on the booze?
Of course not yet we have a massive ammount of kids that are way overweight and it has nothing to do with alcohol, but everything to do with what they eat, no different to adults.
I would like to know that if some people think drink is the reason people are fat, then why are kids fat, or is there a different type of obesity?
easy one that kenty alcopops :giggle::giggle:

14 Aug 2010

I still think booze is a bigger factr than hyper or hypothyroidism.

14 Aug 2010

Quote by bengy
I still think booze is a bigger factr than hyper or hypothyroidism.

a few links none state alcohol as a cause if so why aren't all the french fat :crazy:

14 Aug 2010

I am sorry that links not about alcohol do not support the concept that its consumption is a significant factor in calorific intake.
Nar I wont say that such matters are beneath me.

15 Aug 2010

Yes on this occasion I am sure that excessive alcohol consumption can indeed make someone overweight.....hence the term " beer belly ", and I know a few of those. lol

But I have certainly never heard of that as being a major factor in obesity.
Food is the major culprit I am afraid, which is too much of the crap food coupled with zero exercise.

This paragraph kinda sums it up... " If there is a family history of being overweight or obese, your child may be more likely to be obese. Genetic factors could play a role in this, but shared eating and activity habits, or a combination of both, are more likely to cause your child to be overweight.
It's unlikely that your child will be overweight because of an underlying medical problem.
The fact is overweight adults pass on their dreadful eating habits to their children, and so the cycle starts all over again.
Parents who do this and then end up having obese children, should not only be ashamed of themselves but it is without doubt a form of child abuse.

Another snippet says..." And, because being overweight is often a family problem, measure the BMI of everyone in the family, and start making changes together for a healthy family lifestyle ".
Cocopops may well contribute to an unhealthy diet but it is only a small ammount of your daily input of food....it is what a child eats the rest of the day that makes the difference.

15 Aug 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
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Cocopops may well contribute to an unhealthy diet but it is only a small ammount of your daily input of food....it is what a child eats the rest of the day that makes the difference.

errr, in many cases its probably cocopops!
Still, just look at all that healthy calcium they are getting from the milk that goes with it wink

I can't find the link now, but there was in recent times a story about a mother getting a big mac and blitzing it in the food processor and feeding it to her baby!

15 Aug 2010

Quote by GnV
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Cocopops may well contribute to an unhealthy diet but it is only a small ammount of your daily input of food....it is what a child eats the rest of the day that makes the difference.

errr, in many cases its probably cocopops!
Still, just look at all that healthy calcium they are getting from the milk that goes with it wink

I can't find the link now, but there was in recent times a story about a mother getting a big mac and blitzing it in the food processor and feeding it to her baby!
Because no doubt GNV the Mother in question did not have a clue it was bad for her baby, which is certainly where education comes into it.
We have all done it in the psst, say brought a nice newish car in what we think is a colour that is not that popular and then everywhere we go we see the same car in the same colour.
Now go out today and look out for obese children and those with obese parents.....the truth is really quite shocking to see.
Today being a Sunday used to be a day of Roast dinners and family sitting down to dinner, now though those families will be at Burger King or Maccy dee's,feeding their kids fries and the usual Big Mac.
Maccy Dee's around here is rammed on a Sunday, as it is no doubt the only day of the week they do go out to eat, the rest of the time is home delivery.:giggle::giggle:

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