I don't do politics normally but I thought I would throw one in sorry! Do you think brown is doing a good job in the economical cycle with this country? I am open with politics I see them all as jabbering fools, but I do feel the conservatives would have just left things to spiral out of control, at least Brown is trying. Unlike the 90's when things went wrong, it was the banks this time and their inter bank lending and the press for fuelling the fire that caused these problems, and the government are left to try and recover the situation. Do you think he is making the right moves? What else could he have done to settle things? I just feel give him credit he might not do it all right but as for the economics I would rather have him at the helm than any others.
the economic problem we face is world wide...and not created by this government or any other. Fact is Gordan Brown is doing all he can to dig us out, with-out putting to much strain on the future. It is interesting to note we were basically the first to slash interest rates....all other nations have now followed. No matter what your politics are, I think you have to accept that politically Gordan Browns grasp of economics is unrivaled...certainly in this country. we stil have stormy and choppy waters ahead, but I do trust him to steer us a path through it.
He saved the world, how could he not? I like his quick reactions to problems. The issue I have with that, though, is that not necessarily all of these ideas are thought all the way through. Some things go more by "looks good, feels good, must be good" without looking at long-term effects. However, as mentioned, he doesn't fluff around much. Trial and error is one way of dealing with the issues and that is what he appears to have chosen.
Quote by Theladyisaminx I don't do politics normally but I thought I would throw one in sorry! Do you think brown is doing a good job in the economical cycle with this country? I am open with politics I see them all as jabbering fools, but I do feel the conservatives would have just left things to spiral out of control, at least Brown is trying. Unlike the 90's when things went wrong, it was the banks this time and their inter bank lending and the press for fuelling the fire that caused these problems, and the government are left to try and recover the situation. Do you think he is making the right moves? What else could he have done to settle things? I just feel give him credit he might not do it all right but as for the economics I would rather have him at the helm than any others.
This bit made me fall on the floor laughing. This guy was chancellor for ten years, that means he was looking after the countries financies. Now he blames everyone else but himself for the mess we find ourselves in. Yes it is a global problem but Brown had a plan A, but has no plan B. Politically I feel he is finished, but that will only come to pass at the next election. I always thought that a PM was voted in by the people, obviously not in this case. He became our PM by his own party and never got a single vote from any member of ther public...democracy eh? I do not know if the Tories could have done things any better, but what I do know for sure is so far he has been a crap PM. Bottler Brown I call him. There are way too many things this guy has done badly to write about here, but in answer to your question, I feel the guy is a knob, and he is also surrounded by knobs. Jeez he even brought back that slimy toad Mandelson, a hated enemy. Still the things some people will do to save their own necks, and Brown must have ten lives because he has used up nine of them already. I am waiting for his tenth life to be used up, and the way this guy goes about things that won't be a long wait. If he had any decency he would have gone to the polls when he first became PM, but he knew he would lose. Bottler Brown.....the man with no class, well not working class anyway.
Quote by kentswingers777 snip I always thought that a PM was voted in by the people, obviously not in this case. He became our PM by his own party and never got a single vote from any member of ther public...democracy eh? snip
Still mulling over an answer to the OP but just to comment on this bit.... The country votes for the party it wishes to govern the country AFAIK and not the person.... Its up to that party to choose a leader who is best suited to them at the time... I know it seems wrong as when many people vote they believe they are voting for a person as that person(the party leader) is the main face in the media etc..
Pity someone didn't shoot the bastard when he was in Afganistan last week Him and his cronies couldn't organise the proverbial piss up in a brewery. It appears this week he has given £6 million pound to Pakistan to counteract terrorism (which will probably be used for exactly the opposite) but cannot find extra money for pensioners,health service and other worthwhile causes What pisses me off more than anything is the Air Ambulance has to be COMPLETELY self funding. The sooner we get this load of tossers out,the better L.B
Quote by little bighorn Pity someone didn't shoot the bastard when he was in Afganistan last week Him and his cronies couldn't organise the proverbial piss up in a brewery. It appears this week he has given £6 million pound to Pakistan to counteract terrorism (which will probably be used for exactly the opposite) but cannot find extra money for pensioners,health service and other worthwhile causes What pisses me off more than anything is the Air Ambulance has to be COMPLETELY self funding. The sooner we get this load of tossers out,the better L.B
Thats how the Air Ambulance prefer it to be as they are not at the beck and call of local authorities and Police then...
To be fair pretty much like most of them really. It does not really matter who is in at the time, they will not please everyone. I just feel that This PM spent most of his time as chancellor being rather frugal with money, we all know his phrases about spending. But now he has bailed out, given away, call it what you will, how many billions of pounds? At my reckoning 90 billion just to the banks, it could be more than that. How the heck this country is going to pay it back in say ten years time, I do not know. They all preach to us about tightening our belts, but you won't see any of them practising what they preach. Self serving pigs of Westminster....never a truer word said. Brown is leading this country to financial ruin, and when the shit hits the fan, he and his cronies will be long gone, on their fat pensions and their big houses. None of this bollocks at the moment will affect any of them, it is all Monopoly to them. I think this recession will be long and hard and last for a while, and I can see 3 million plus unemployed before the end of it. You see we have no money left now, and if the money the banks were given does not work, we are all in the shit...big time.
well people will always try to blame someone else rather than admit they cannot control there own budget, all these must have things that are not really a must have, while jumping on the property ladder with blinkers on. But hey it's nearly christmas so thats another excuse to spend what we cannot afford, and then we can all blame the lenders for giving it to us in the first place. As for the OP’s question, he’s doing the job to the best of his ability and at least he has some experience at hand, the people who think differently are just opposition, it’s like getting a Man United fan to admit Chelsea are the best football team in England. It would be nice to see a change of leader, however I don’t think that in the present climate that David Cameron is the man for the job and if he did take the job at this time it would be a horrendous career gamble.
Russell Howard made a joke, I can't remember anything by the bit he said about Gordo, but the jist of it was... If you imagine Barack Obama walking into a room you see it being full laughter and tickertape. If you imagine Gordon Brown walking into a room all you see is a dog being sick in the corner of the room. That pretty much sums up Gordon Brown for me.
And when the conservative party are elected the banks will start lending again....I wonder why....But then, most of the bankers vote conservative. Until then they are buying-up all the shares that have fallen in value (due to their stupidity in buying unsecured depts) to sell again when the economy/ies recover, which they will. I think G. Brown is doing ok, which is quite good considering that he's trying to get a "conservative" banking organisation to do what they should be doing anyway....lending short-term to good businesses. Maybe they should be taken into state ownership anyway, even if only to sack the tarts running them at the moment.... Anyone see the news of another 50 billion dollar fiddle ?
And these are the guys running banks ? Now, who would they/he vote for in an election ?
Quote by JTS And when the conservative party are elected the banks will start lending again....I wonder why....But then, most of the bankers vote conservative. Until then they are buying-up all the shares that have fallen in value (due to their stupidity in buying unsecured depts) to sell again when the economy/ies recover, which they will. I think G. Brown is doing ok, which is quite good considering that he's trying to get a "conservative" banking organisation to do what they should be doing anyway....lending short-term to good businesses. Maybe they should be taken into state ownership anyway, even if only to sack the tarts running them at the moment.... Anyone see the news of another 50 billion dollar fiddle ?
And these are the guys running banks ? Now, who would they/he vote for in an election ?
I have read about Bernard Madoff’s scam that is the pyramid scheme, it is the same scheme that was kicking around play grounds a few years back on a smaller scale of course. I can not believe the thousands that have lost their money and not know what he was doing, o to look the part and get people to trust you. it beggers belief to be honest how he got away with it for so long. Back to Brown I do believe he is talking about privatising the banks. Plus looks good for new small business opportunities. I do believe Brown is looking longer term, we do need banks to start leanding to each other, it isnt just about banks leading to Joe public. People need to think about businesses and peoples jobs at stake.
Quote by Theladyisaminx And when the conservative party are elected the banks will start lending again....I wonder why....But then, most of the bankers vote conservative. Until then they are buying-up all the shares that have fallen in value (due to their stupidity in buying unsecured depts) to sell again when the economy/ies recover, which they will. I think G. Brown is doing ok, which is quite good considering that he's trying to get a "conservative" banking organisation to do what they should be doing anyway....lending short-term to good businesses. Maybe they should be taken into state ownership anyway, even if only to sack the tarts running them at the moment.... Anyone see the news of another 50 billion dollar fiddle ?
And these are the guys running banks ? Now, who would they/he vote for in an election ?
I have read about Bernard Madoff’s scam that is the pyramid scheme, it is the same scheme that was kicking around play grounds a few years back on a smaller scale of course. I can not believe the thousands that have lost their money and not know what he was doing, o to look the part and get people to trust you. it beggers belief to be honest how he got away with it for so long. Back to Brown I do believe he is talking about privatising the banks. Plus looks good for new small business opportunities. I do believe Brown is looking longer term, we do need banks to start leanding to each other, it isnt just about banks leading to Joe public. People need to think about businesses and peoples jobs at stake. Oh you are so right about that.. his long term view is that he won't be having anything to do with it when it becomes payback time! And there will be quite a few paying back longer term...
As I understand it (and I may be wrong)the public elect an individual m.p. to represent them in parliament,there are no official groupings of m.p.s' in parliament but the existence of the parties allows our representative (the Queen) to easily choose who to invite to form a government,this person then appoints ministers to office (they can if they choose ask m.p.'s from any party) As for the topic in hand.....Brown like most "new" Labour m.p.s is a closet tory and has betrayed his parties roots and electorate.......So no he is not doing a good job...by default the country can only be run fairly and equitably by a socialist government , any other would/does sacrifice the needs and aspirations of the majority for the benefit of an elite few
Quote by Steve snip I always thought that a PM was voted in by the people, obviously not in this case. He became our PM by his own party and never got a single vote from any member of ther public...democracy eh? snip
Still mulling over an answer to the OP but just to comment on this bit.... The country votes for the party it wishes to govern the country AFAIK and not the person.... Its up to that party to choose a leader who is best suited to them at the time... I know it seems wrong as when many people vote they believe they are voting for a person as that person(the party leader) is the main face in the media etc.. As I understand it (and I may be wrong)the public elect an individual m.p. to represent them in parliament,there are no official groupings of m.p.s' in parliament but the existence of the parties allows our representative (the Queen) to easily choose who to invite to form a government,this person then appoints ministers to office (they can if they choose ask m.p.'s from any party) As for the topic in hand.....Brown like most "new" Labour m.p.s is a closet tory and has betrayed his parties roots and electorate.......So no he is not doing a good job...by default the country can only be run fairly and equitably by a socialist government , any other would/does sacrifice the needs and aspirations of the majority for the benefit of an elite few 2nd time lucky
we all knew that gordan brown was going to be the prime minister. Tony Blair quite clearly stated at the last general election, that he would not stay the full term. Did anyone really think anyone other than Gordan brown would step into his shoes. Now then when the tories decided to kick out and Mrs thatcher and replace with John Major..now then let me think...did we have a general election...er thats right..no we didn't.
Quote by flower411 The country votes for the party it wishes to govern the country AFAIK and not the person.... Its up to that party to choose a leader who is best suited to them at the time... I know it seems wrong as when many people vote they believe they are voting for a person as that person(the party leader) is the main face in the media etc..
As I understand it (and I may be wrong)the public elect an individual m.p. to represent them in parliament,there are no official groupings of m.p.s' in parliament but the existence of the parties allows our representative (the Queen) to easily choose who to invite to form a government,this person then appoints ministers to office (they can if they choose ask m.p.'s from any party) As for the topic in hand.....Brown like most "new" Labour m.p.s is a closet tory and has betrayed his parties roots and electorate.......So no he is not doing a good job...by default the country can only be run fairly and equitably by a socialist government , any other would/does sacrifice the needs and aspirations of the majority for the benefit of an elite few With the greatest of respect Stagger, we all know that many people vote for the person and not the party .. Gordon Browns refusal to allow a vote to see if he should head the government, just proves that he is well aware of the fact . My point almost exactly unfortunately whilst they may believe they are voting for a prime minister they are actually voting for a member of parliament,what they believe doesn't change the facts
Quote by Sassy-Seren I think Mr brown is much malighned. Wasn't he the one who passed on his drug habbit to his superstar wife? poor Bobby lp
You're thinking of Charlie. It's why that poor bird always looked a little freaked out I think you'll find he is talking about Bobby Brown & his wife Whitney Houston :giggle: Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes it is true..we all knew Blair was handing over the keys to Bottler Brown, at some point. The thing I hate is when they talk about democracy. Anybody who voted against Brown was politicaly finished. Anybody who would have stood against Brown and lost, would also have been finished. Thats democracy? For me I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands of people who have lost either all or part of their pensions. But like Brown and all the other cronies in Parliament, theirs is index linked. Theirs will continue to grow. If Bottler Brown had any decency in him, he would have called an election, but he had no bottle...he would have lost at that time. We are on a downward spiral, now out of control, and whilst Christmas spending in the shops has been better than expected, which is mainly due to every shop dropping prices hugely to attract shoppers, after Christmas it will be terrible. Does Brown really think that giving the banks £90 billion of our money going to save us? He must do cos he saved the Ten years as chancellor, ten years of looking after our finances, and now given it all away to stop the greedy bankers from going under. Woolies was not greedy yet they are going under. The guys a knob in my opinion and the sooner he is sent packing the better. I would rather have my Grandaughter in charge, as least she would be a bit more honest than the Bottler and his cronies.
Quote by blonde I think Mr brown is much malighned. Wasn't he the one who passed on his drug habbit to his superstar wife? poor Bobby lp
You're thinking of Charlie. It's why that poor bird always looked a little freaked out I think you'll find he is talking about Bobby Brown & his wife Whitney Houston :giggle: Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I see that joke went right over you babes :giggle:
I think you'll find he is talking about Bobby Brown & his wife Whitney Houston :giggle: Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I see that joke went right over you babes :giggle: So you are talking about Charlie Brown & Woodstock? Is Woodstock a famous singing wife??? I am so confused, it must be wednesday :giggle: Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Did I make a mistake???? Sorry everyone Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx p.s. feel free to put me on "iggy" if I am beginning to get on your nerves
Quote by deancannock we all knew that gordan brown was going to be the prime minister. Tony Blair quite clearly stated at the last general election, that he would not stay the full term. Did anyone really think anyone other than Gordan brown would step into his shoes. Now then when the tories decided to kick out and Mrs thatcher and replace with John Major..now then let me think...did we have a general election...er thats right..no we didn't.
You're of course quite right, there wasn't a general election when John Major replaced Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister. The main difference, and this is what people are really talking about, is that the Commissar was not elected as such as his party's leader, in true Banana Republic form, he was handed the leadership and anyone who dared to contest it found themselves being leaned on with threats of their career coming to an abrupt end. As for the Vote Blair get Brown campaign at the last General Election, the Conservatives were right, weren't they...
Him and his cronies
