Gay marriage, and the Church

22 Mar 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Rowan Williams should remember that He speaks for a small minority of active church goers and no-one else ... how those who do not subscribe to his creed live there lives is no more his business that it is yours or mine

rowan williams may well act for a few million church of england believers, but then the catholic church speek for many more. also as the biggest rising religion in the world, the muslim faith also would not agree with gay marriages that does add up to a few billion peeple opposed to any form of gay marriage.
have YOU any idea of the numbers of a "small minority" actually is at all? or is it one of your many guesses dunno

come on mr staggers throw some figures at us all, as to your interpretation of a "small minority" please.
i think the latest census would show a few million as church of england in there denomination. it matters not that not every one of them turn up for church every sunday morning :doh:
just a thought :notes:
No I'm not going to supply figures ... if you want them use your search engine of choice .... but remember of those who number themselves of any given faith ... how many give that faith because they were brought up in the faith even though they either don't practice or believe,how many disagree with their churches position on gay marriage,how many are gay and would like to be married,....figures for a professed religious belief are bollocks and do not represent the truth of religious practice,and religious practice is what counts...you are not a Catholic unless you attend confession and take communion,you are not a Muslim unless you do you're daily prayers and make the Haj,you are not Jewish unless you observe the Sabbath and attend synagogue,and most importantly of all .... you are not a Christian (of any denomination) unless you understand Christs message ...and that was one of love,acceptance and forgiveness .... Bloody Bishops call themselves Christian ,I'm more of a Christian than any of them and I don't even believe in God ... there's far too much emphasis put on the old testament if you ask me ... anybody got any quotes from Jesus where he condemns homosexuality ???

22 Mar 2012

if all gays stated that they would never marry in a church as it wasn't in touch with modern beliefs
there would be outrage in the church that they was being excluded and excuse the pun but probably move heaven and earth to accommodate the gays
if that don't work, who the Fuck wants to marry in a church when you can get married in the sun on a beach or near ya favorite landmarks far more picturesque places to get married and have your photo's done than next to some 300 year old beaten up graveyard in a tatty church with a sodin leaky roof

22 Mar 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Rowan Williams should remember that He speaks for a small minority of active church goers and no-one else

Quote by starlightcouple
have YOU any idea of the numbers of a "small minority" actually is at all? or is it one of your many guesses come on mr staggers throw some figures at us all, as to your interpretation of a "small minority" please.
i think the latest census would show a few million as church of england in there denomination. it matters not that not every one of them turn up for church every sunday morning :doh:

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I'm not going to supply figures ...

as i thought.

:rotflmao::doh:

22 Mar 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Rowan Williams should remember that He speaks for a small minority of active church goers and no-one else

Quote by starlightcouple
have YOU any idea of the numbers of a "small minority" actually is at all? or is it one of your many guesses come on mr staggers throw some figures at us all, as to your interpretation of a "small minority" please.
i think the latest census would show a few million as church of england in there denomination. it matters not that not every one of them turn up for church every sunday morning :doh:

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I'm not going to supply figures ...

as i thought.

:rotflmao::doh:
You do realise that people can scroll up the page and read my full post (with the qualifications to ,my statement) don't you ???

22 Mar 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I'm not going to supply figures ...

as i thought.

:rotflmao::doh:

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You do realise that people can scroll up the page and read my full post (with the qualifications to ,my statement) don't you ???

of course i do which makes it even funnier. :rotflmao::rotflmao:
maybe though mr staggers it will only be a small minority of peeple though eh confused

22 Mar 2012

The point is - members of 'religious group A' have absolutely no say whatsoever in the choices of every single other human being on this planet who are not members of 'religious group A'. That includes the leaders of said group.
Of course we share some 'values' - but far fewer than we might assume - killing other humans is permitted in the UK - you just have to be a soldier in a theater of war for instance. (Adult) is premitted in some european countries. But the laws of a country must be chosen by civil leaders of that country - not a handful of people trying to turn their religious doctrine into laws. The rules of a religion (go to church on a Sunday, no sex before marriage etc) are local rules - same as the rules in the WI - and should not be used as the basis for civil (ie countrywide) laws.
As for needing to follow the words of (insert religious book of your choice) - go for it. But in that case you have to follow every single word of it. That includes (I may be wrong, not read it recently) stoning adulterers to death, brides must be virgins or they can be killed and many other actions that your average England church-goer might object to witnessing before their Sunday lunch. You're either in a religion - totally - or you're not in it. Cherry picking the rules to follow (presumably the ones that inconvenience daily life as little as possible) is pure hypocrisy.