A new hostel is being opened in Coventry, it will provide accommodation for 8 people who need help with adjusting to everyday life, they will need the accommodation for various reasons, unable to cope with family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse etc.
They need help to get back onto the job market and everyday life.
They have for whatever reason fallen down and need a hand getting up, they are Vetrans, ex armed forces personnel who having served this Country for anything up to 12 years of thier lives are finding life within it difficult.
A shame that we need such places but wonderfull that some are providing them, more funds are needed.
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I have never known a veterans project that stipulated a length of time served.
Why is it only for those that serve up to 12 years? Don't people who serve longer deserve the same support?
Seems a little odd to me.
Why is it only for those that serve up to 12 years? Don't people who serve longer deserve the same support?
Seems a little odd to me.
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I have never known a veterans project that stipulated a length of time served.
Why is it only for those that serve up to 12 years? Don't people who serve longer deserve the same support?
Seems a little odd to me.
Of course they do, however at this time and on the opening day the 8 selected to be helped have only served up to a maximum of 12 years, the selection was not based on the time they have served nor will it ever be, I only mentioned it as did the report, having served 12 years, 1 year, 22 years is imaterial, forces personnel are a proud lot, they find it extremely difficult asking for help which is one of the reasons they do need help. The fact that at least one of them has dedicated 12 years of his life to the service of his/her country does to me show that there is long term good in them and they do deserve our help. All too often when help is requested for people who need it many think "they should get off their asses" or "they will just go back to their ways no matter how much we help".
There is also the fact that many of those that have served longer have had more time to adjust, other organisations such as SAAFA and the British Legion seek out older vetrans to see if they need help whereas youngsters some as young as 19 with 2 years service under their belt can get left - forgotton even everyday organisations of the welfare system think along the lines of "they are young they can cope" an older person would be housed far more quickly than a young lad.
Not explaining it very well but hope you get what I mean.
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I'm sure that the SAS soldier, now serving time in the Colchester 'Glass House' would love to be given the opportunity to serve his time out on such a worthwhile project.
Putting this man in jail is a almost a crime itself, of course there are those here that say all laws are laws, break them and you have to be charged and if convicted punished, doesn't always apply does it, if I abuse a Police Officer this evening I will probably be fined or charged with the offence, if I am a politician I might not be punished by the law.
Guilty yes, he admitted possession of a firearm that was sent to him by colleagues in Iraq, it was probably not in his eyes a weapon, the SAS do not need guns to be armed, it was probably seen by him as a souvieneer, given to him by the Iraqi soldiers he had been training as a present and momento. All forces personell like to bring back souvieneers, I have in my time brought back many things.
No intent to commit a crime with the weapon was even suggested.
I believe in this case the MOD and the Court Martial should have simply reduced him in rank or fined him and the case would have been forgotton probably never even becoming public knowledge.
I do not believe this man deserves to serve any time in a military prison for what he did.
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I worked with Coventry Cyreniens for a while.
They are a fine organisation and do sterling work.
Homelessness is one of the great tragedies of our society.
I remember the controvossy when the Millenium Dome was built, we were being told that it was a place to be proud of, something for future generations of the 2000 era to look upon and realise what we had achieved, I said in a forum then, I could respect that view if after the celebrations were over they turned it into a huge center for the homeless, I think it is terrible that in this day and age we still have homeless people in this Country, perhaps some of the foreign aid money sent to the likes of China should have been used to help end this problem.
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I'm sure that the SAS soldier, now serving time in the Colchester 'Glass House' would love to be given the opportunity to serve his time out on such a worthwhile project.
Putting this man in jail is a almost a crime itself, of course there are those here that say all laws are laws, break them and you have to be charged and if convicted punished, doesn't always apply does it, if I abuse a Police Officer this evening I will probably be fined or charged with the offence, if I am a politician I might not be punished by the law.
Guilty yes, he admitted possession of a firearm that was sent to him by colleagues in Iraq, it was probably not in his eyes a weapon, the SAS do not need guns to be armed, it was probably seen by him as a souvieneer, given to him by the Iraqi soldiers he had been training as a present and momento. All forces personell like to bring back souvieneers, I have in my time brought back many things.
No intent to commit a crime with the weapon was even suggested.
I believe in this case the MOD and the Court Martial should have simply reduced him in rank or fined him and the case would have been forgotton probably never even becoming public knowledge.
I do not believe this man deserves to serve any time in a military prison for what he did.
Seriously??? the guy had 300 rounds of ammunition hidden under his bed!!
he was a serving non-com who knew the regs better than anyone else.
Deserved all he got.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
I have never known a veterans project that stipulated a length of time served.
Why is it only for those that serve up to 12 years? Don't people who serve longer deserve the same support?
Seems a little odd to me.
Of course they do, however at this time and on the opening day the 8 selected to be helped have only served up to a maximum of 12 years, the selection was not based on the time they have served nor will it ever be, I only mentioned it as did the report, having served 12 years, 1 year, 22 years is imaterial, forces personnel are a proud lot, they find it extremely difficult asking for help which is one of the reasons they do need help.
OK mids, I see where the twelve years has come from. The way your original post read was that it was a criteria to allow people to access the facility.
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A new hostel is being opened in Coventry, it will provide accommodation for 8 people who need help with adjusting to everyday life, they will need the accommodation for various reasons, unable to cope with family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse etc.
They need help to get back onto the job market and everyday life.
They have for whatever reason fallen down and need a hand getting up, they are Vetrans, ex armed forces personnel who having served this Country for anything up to 12 years of thier lives are finding life within it difficult.
A shame that we need such places but wonderfull that some are providing them, more funds are needed.
I support HELP FOR SOLDIERS will you ......... please
Mr Bennett in the report never mentioned "family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse etc."
It's rare that I get involved in debacles, but sometimes people "harp on and on and on......."
His story:
He left the Army in 1991, but after returning home he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and ended up living on the street.
Mr Bennett eventually moved into the Salvation Army hostel in Hillfields, and in 2011 they helped him get his own rented flat.
He does not believe veterans deserve special treatment, but believes their distinct problems require a different approach.
From July 2011 - 2012, the British Legion in Warwickshire provided financial assistance to 411 ex-military, of which 23 were homeless & they helped get in to a property.
Any Human being that puts their Country first and has to endure the thankless sleepless nights wondering if they'll ever get home to see their loved ones must be truamatic.
If you really want to help and as Christmas is approaching, let's all try and help, I do!
BTW as most know, I was born in Coventry, I know Hillfields very well.
Paddy
Mr Bennett in the report never mentioned "family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse etc."
Very true and I understand why you mention it, but I doubt Mr Bennett wanted to discuss all the reasons why these people end up as they do, the reasons can be vast, from personal experience with ex forces personnel I do know that family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and others can be some of the problems they can face, sometimes caused by re-adjusting to civilian life sometimes as a result of post traumatic stress, whatever the reasons named or unamed these people do deserve all the help we can give and I agree there is a lot of help out there but there is room for more and also as I said, ex forces personnel rarely get into these situations (drugs, alcohol) because they are weak willed or peer pressure as can be a common cause and they are proud people, asking for help or discussing the reasons they are struggling to cope can be hard for them as it can be for anyone who has experienced extreme mental anquish be it the victim of a or or one that has seen villages and it's occupants including women and children massacered or a friend blown apart in front of them.
I am not against helping any unfortunate but personally think these people not only need our help but deserve it too.
Very true and I understand why you mention it, but I doubt Mr Bennett wanted to discuss all the reasons why these people end up as they do, the reasons can be vast, from personal experience with ex forces personnel I do know that family break-ups, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and others can be some of the problems they can face, sometimes caused by re-adjusting to civilian life sometimes as a result of post traumatic stress, whatever the reasons named or unamed these people do deserve all the help we can give and I agree there is a lot of help out there but there is room for more and also as I said, ex forces personnel rarely get into these situations (drugs, alcohol) because they are weak willed or peer pressure as can be a common cause and they are proud people, asking for help or discussing the reasons they are struggling to cope can be hard for them as it can be for anyone who has experienced extreme mental anquish be it the victim of a or or one that has seen villages and it's occupants including women and children massacered or a friend blown apart in front of them.
I am not against helping any unfortunate but personally think these people not only need our help but deserve it too.
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I know I open myself up to a bit of verbal here but hey.
Nothing new there I hear people cry
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What makes somebody who chooses to be a soldier any different from somebody who chooses a different job?
What makes a brain surgeon and what makes a bin man? One person is capable of one thing and yet not another.
Being a soldier is certainly not for everyone, but I am glad they do the job they do, and choose the job they do. Without our armed forces we would be up shit creek without a paddle, and for that reason they get my vote over almost any other profession.
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Fair point. So I assume you wouldnt be a bin man either. So what makes people who choose to be soldiers different?
Different reasons for different people
some of the reasons
Born to do it (DNA, tradition, upbringing)
Forced (National Service, conscription (which can be forced not legal in some countries)
A desire to protect the nation and people you respect
A desire to stop something you believe wrong (many volunteers during WWII said this was their reason for signing up)
The pay and benefits (not in the UK today but certainly in our history and in some countries today it is a way out of poverty)
To learn a trade (many joined the British Army for this reason in the past
Adrenalin rush
Peers (all your mates did (again WWII this was common))
A desire to visit far away countries, learn about different cultures, meet new people and KILL them
seeking a respected profession, Firefighter, nurse, doctor, clergyman and soldier, sailor, pilot were valid reasons at one time
ok maybe just the travel aspect especially in the past when very few people did get to travel abroad
Of course most people do respect our armed forces because they put thier lives on the line to protect us, for whatever reason there they stand, I say if you won't stand with them on the front line stand behind them, if you won't stand behind our armed forces on the front line please feel free to stand in front of them.
Its just the same old rhetoric mids. And it doesn't address the issue I raised.
It's a choice.
It's no more noble than many other jobs.
The people who do other jobs (often equally if not more dangerous) don't seem to feel the need to bang on about it quite so much.
Of course soldiers have my respect but no more no less than others who choose to do dangerous difficult damaging jobs.
It's a choice.
It's no more noble than many other jobs.
The people who do other jobs (often equally if not more dangerous) don't seem to feel the need to bang on about it quite so much.
Of course soldiers have my respect but no more no less than others who choose to do dangerous difficult damaging jobs.
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Its just the same old rhetoric mids. And it doesn't address the issue I raised.
It's a choice.
It's no more noble than many other jobs.
The people who do other jobs (often equally if not more dangerous) don't seem to feel the need to bang on about it quite so much.
Of course soldiers have my respect but no more no less than others who choose to do dangerous difficult damaging jobs.
I never said it was more noble than other jobs and took the trouble to point out other professions I believe to be either more noble or needing courage to do, I merely gave some of the reasons people join and pointed out what you already know, some people do think it is worthy of respect.
I agree that being a soldier is nothing special, at least not to those that have served, but the fact remains that many people do consider it noble, I have experiencd this many times during my career, never quite understood why but you have to accept some things in life.
Now Sasha for example loves what our armed forces do in this country, she was brought up in Russia where many of the military were corrupt or bullies, where she could not rely on the armed forces to protect her, here in the UK she knows she can walk relatively freely and feel safer because of the job our armed forces do for her, she has seen life with both sides of what the military can be.
You will find that most armed forces dont "bang on" about what they do, of course some will use thier profession to pull girls, but "if it works" firefighters and soldiers are the most guilty of this, some seem to think a lack of personality can be compensated for by a uniform and some women on here encourage that train of thought but at the end of the day it is up to the individual, outside of the swinging world the footballer is the coveted shag in the hope of becoming a wag.
Personally I don't think being a firefighter or a soldier is any kind of guarantee that you would be good in the sack.
I would question this bit though
The people who do other jobs (often equally if not more dangerous) don't seem to feel the need to bang on about it quite so much.
60,000 lost their lives on the first day of the Somme many more were maimed and injured.
438 have been killed in Afghanistan, many more maimed or injured.
256 lost thier lives in the short Falklands war.
Which jobs are you aware of that have greater casualty figures and are therefore deemed more dangerous than being on the frontline ?
The people who do other jobs (often equally if not more dangerous) don't seem to feel the need to bang on about it quite so much.
60,000 lost their lives on the first day of the Somme many more were maimed and injured.
438 have been killed in Afghanistan, many more maimed or injured.
256 lost thier lives in the short Falklands war.
Which jobs are you aware of that have greater casualty figures and are therefore deemed more dangerous than being on the frontline ?
Sex God
I believe the most dangerous job in terms of the number of people that die is currently commercial fishermen, (116 in a year) followed by farming.
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I believe the most dangerous job in terms of the number of people that die is currently commercial fishermen, (116 in a year) followed by farming.
aaaaah no wonder I chose fisherman as one of the jobs I wouldnt want to do, but how does that compare with the armed forces, 60,000 soldiers in a day that equates to 535 years of fishing.
Is that UK fishermen or is that worldwide ? now how many soldiers are killed worldwide ?
Now this
Agriculture
Engineering
Farming
what is your timescale for deaths in those industries, I gave you timescales for my examples, and those were British casualties, if you are going to do it since those industries began then what are the figures ? and do they compare with the number of soldiers lost in every conflict, war, battle ?
So how many British farmers were killed in 1 day, 11 years and 3 months (the examples I gave you. (you can pick a bad year/day/quarter)
for example the total number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan is over 3200 it might surprise some who think of Afghanstan as a USA/UK conflict just where those soldiers came from
Country
Total
Albania
1
Australia
39
Belgium
1
Canada
158
Czech
5
Denmark
42
Estonia
9
Finland
2
France
86
Georgia
11
Germany
53
Hungary
7
Italy
47
Jordan
2
Latvia
3
Lithuania
1
NATO
11
Netherlands
25
New Zealand
11
Norway
10
Poland
35
Portugal
2
Romania
19
South Korea
1
Spain
34
Sweden
5
Turkey
14
UK
438
US
2158
Total
3230
Country
Total
Albania
1
Australia
39
Belgium
1
Canada
158
Czech
5
Denmark
42
Estonia
9
Finland
2
France
86
Georgia
11
Germany
53
Hungary
7
Italy
47
Jordan
2
Latvia
3
Lithuania
1
NATO
11
Netherlands
25
New Zealand
11
Norway
10
Poland
35
Portugal
2
Romania
19
South Korea
1
Spain
34
Sweden
5
Turkey
14
UK
438
US
2158
Total
3230
