if these go then they all go in my opinion
Sex God
no different to any other cctv on any estate in the uk
if these go then they all go in my opinion
if these go then they all go in my opinion
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A number of issues here:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
A number of issues here:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
A number of issues here:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
A number of issues here:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
Firstly, this does appear to be rather a lot of cameras for a small area, but if the overall exposure to anti-social behaviour and crime justify it, I suppose there is an arguement for the idea.
Secondly, could the cost (including operating) be better spent on "genuine" policing?
Thirdly, if the cameras go ahead, will the observers actually take any action? they
don't appear to take much notice of what they know goes on round where I am.
Plim :sad:
Quote by Kaznkev
It seems someone failed to consult the locals,or consider just how this kind of Ghettoising(and i use the word deliberately even if i am not sure it has been spelt correctly)would make the local Muslim population feel.
Build a big wall round the area and only allow people to leave under escort for work purpose,that might work.
:sleeping::violin:
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
It seems someone failed to consult the locals,or consider just how this kind of Ghettoising(and i use the word deliberately even if i am not sure it has been spelt correctly)would make the local Muslim population feel.
Build a big wall round the area and only allow people to leave under escort for work purpose,that might work.
do you think that suicide bombers would consult the passengers on a train before it was blown up
or bank robbers consult a bank before a robbery
and so on and so on
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
You're correct in the first part, I agree.
The bold bit though? Maybe they want to move around without being watched, if they are innocent? It's an infringement of the civil liberties of everyone in the community, not just the guilty ones.
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
You're correct in the first part, I agree.
The bold bit though? Maybe they want to move around without being watched, if they are innocent? It's an infringement of the civil liberties of everyone in the community, not just the guilty ones.
then i go back to my op if these go then they all should go uk wide
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
You're correct in the first part, I agree.
The bold bit though? Maybe they want to move around without being watched, if they are innocent? It's an infringement of the civil liberties of everyone in the community, not just the guilty ones.
then i go back to my op if these go then they all should go uk wide
Yep, if they go then the others should all go. We'll just go back to old-fashioned policing, good or bad :dunno:
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
You're correct in the first part, I agree.
The bold bit though? Maybe they want to move around without being watched, if they are innocent? It's an infringement of the civil liberties of everyone in the community, not just the guilty ones.
then i go back to my op if these go then they all should go uk wide
:thumbup:
Sex God
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
It seems someone failed to consult the locals,or consider just how this kind of Ghettoising(and i use the word deliberately even if i am not sure it has been spelt correctly)would make the local Muslim population feel.
Build a big wall round the area and only allow people to leave under escort for work purpose,that might work.
do you think that suicide bombers would consult the passengers on a train before it was blown up
or bank robbers consult a bank before a robbery
and so on and so on
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
i fail to see the connection,no criminal consults his making an already maginalised group feel like they are not trusted does not work,as the SUSS laws of the 80s showed.
I agree with what you say Kaz, but whats good for the goose......one rule for every one
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
It seems someone failed to consult the locals,or consider just how this kind of Ghettoising(and i use the word deliberately even if i am not sure it has been spelt correctly)would make the local Muslim population feel.
Build a big wall round the area and only allow people to leave under escort for work purpose,that might work.
do you think that suicide bombers would consult the passengers on a train before it was blown up
or bank robbers consult a bank before a robbery
and so on and so on
lots of modern crimes are solved with the help of cctv and many more would not be solved with out it
and if there not doing anything wrong then why worry
i fail to see the connection,no criminal consults his victims.But making an already maginalised group feel like they are not trusteddoes not work,as the SUSS laws of the 80s showed.
I agree with what you say Kaz, but whats good for the goose......one rule for every one
i do believe the 7/7 and 7/11 bombing took care of that on it`s own kas these acts did far more damage to the Muslim community than any camera ever could
pics from different cctv around the country allowed a detailed picture of how the bombers formed and executed their deed
a local troubled council estate is over run with camera`s but none on private estates but i hear no moans not many muslims more a meeting place for the for EDL do you think we should take their cameras down as at the moment they haven`t done anything wrong
what ever you say our intelligence services are pretty spot on so do you think there`s a good reason for the camera`s or are they just placed to piss of the Muslim community i know what id prefer
and there is an alternative to all this kas it only takes a few from the muslim community to shop those they suspect as being radical :dunno:
and just in case you forgot how good cctv was
Sexlightened
I think this is a really good idea and should be expanded. All white men above a certain age should be tagged and monitored because statistically they are more likely to be pedophiles.
You know, if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide right?
You know, if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide right?
Sex God
there are a lot more racial statistics far more frightening than that argument so i feel i`ll sidestep that argument 
CCTV is not as useful in the "fight against crime" as those operating the systems would have you believe.
They are more useful in gathering information AFTER the event than in prevention.
And as for the 7/7 bombers.....they were known to the various law-enforcement agencies before the event....and while information about them pre-event, from CCTV, was useful it should not be forgotten that the CCTV did not prevent it.
And while many of the cameras in the original post are to be "bagged" many will not be....which begs the question as to whether you can believe the people concerned as to how many "covert" cameras there are.
Local councils (inc where I live) have been concealing CCTV systems for years now....they even concealed them in coke tins to detect "fly tippers" (although there are not many fly-tippers in a gay-cruising layby at night)
My local law have even put posters in a wood warning that they may use/be-using "covert CCTV to detect crime". Which results in a lot of concerned people avoiding the wood.....they should just be truthful "we get men here having sex with men and we're trying to scare them away"....except that would be an offence....never let it be said the police ignore laws to suit themselves.
Then there is the other side of the coin:
Where there is one doing it, there will be others.
I know of one CCTV system that had to be limited in its scope of travel because it spent more time watching houses than the works yard it was installed to protect.
They are more useful in gathering information AFTER the event than in prevention.
And as for the 7/7 bombers.....they were known to the various law-enforcement agencies before the event....and while information about them pre-event, from CCTV, was useful it should not be forgotten that the CCTV did not prevent it.
And while many of the cameras in the original post are to be "bagged" many will not be....which begs the question as to whether you can believe the people concerned as to how many "covert" cameras there are.
Local councils (inc where I live) have been concealing CCTV systems for years now....they even concealed them in coke tins to detect "fly tippers" (although there are not many fly-tippers in a gay-cruising layby at night)
My local law have even put posters in a wood warning that they may use/be-using "covert CCTV to detect crime". Which results in a lot of concerned people avoiding the wood.....they should just be truthful "we get men here having sex with men and we're trying to scare them away"....except that would be an offence....never let it be said the police ignore laws to suit themselves.
Then there is the other side of the coin:
Where there is one doing it, there will be others.
I know of one CCTV system that had to be limited in its scope of travel because it spent more time watching houses than the works yard it was installed to protect.
Sex God
I've done nothing wrong...but I have much I'd rather hide....my nothing wrong and someone elses evidence of moral laxity may well be the same thing.
Always remember 1984 was a warning not a recommendation.
Always remember 1984 was a warning not a recommendation.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I've done nothing wrong...but I have much I'd rather hide....my nothing wrong and someone elses evidence of moral laxity may well be the same thing.
Always remember 1984 was a warning not a recommendation.
yes how could any one forget the birth of something as dismal as bananarama
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I've done nothing wrong...but I have much I'd rather hide....my nothing wrong and someone elses evidence of moral laxity may well be the same thing.
Always remember 1984 was a warning not a recommendation.
yes how could any one forget the birth of something as dismal as bananarama
You can't judge a year by the output of some dizzy girl band who enjoyed a fleeting credible moment of fame, riding on the coat tails of what was left of The Specials before Pete Waterman got a grip of 'em, surely?
;) N x x x ;)
Sex God
there was ghost busters *ray parker jr
99 Luftballons".....Nena
Strut".....Sheena Easton
They Don't Know".....Tracey Ullman
iv`e had to stop its too painfull
99 Luftballons".....Nena
Strut".....Sheena Easton
They Don't Know".....Tracey Ullman
iv`e had to stop its too painfull
Sex God
Quote by JTS
CCTV is not as useful in the "fight against crime" as those operating the systems would have you believe.
They are more useful in gathering information AFTER the event than in prevention.
<snip>
Sorry to chop up your post but I'm not all that interested in getting involved in the race/religious chatter.
I don't have any problems with the CCTV being used AFTER the event. If someone attacked me and they were caught out on CCTV I'd be happy that they were caught after the fact if nothing could be done to prevent it.
I have nothing to hide so I don't feel the need to worry if there are one or one hundred cameras in the area I live. If one of my next door neighbours is cooking up a bomb then I'd be happy that someone was watching. Their race/religion to me is irrelevant. The crime is the issue.
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
and just in case you forgot how good cctv was
I'm a supporter (generally) of proactive policing and targetting monitoring.
But I'd be more impressed with the example of CCTV if those images had been used to prevent the bombings rather than just find the people after the fact.
(Just noticed I've repeated JTS's point - but I think it bears it)
Sex God
To those who are labouring under the illusion that the removal of these cameras is somehow pandering to those of a dusky-coloured complexion, who pray to a different G*d . . .
As I understand it, the cameras are being temporarily deactivated because the local council, who would be responsible for them, were led to believe that they were yer common-or-garden cctv cameras, designed to reduce local crime / drug-dealing / muggings / traffic offences / blah blah blah, when in actual fact they were funded by a Central Govt anti-terrorism initiative without the local council's full knowledge
Whether dusky-coloured locals might just be more inclined to blow themselves up on buses is neither here nor there as far as the local council is concerned. Apparently, the local council feel like they've been sold a pup . . . misled . . . walked up the garden path . . .
Quite understandably, they have withdrawn consent for the time-being, until such time as they've had the chance to have a bit of a think on the whys and wherefores, as the democratically elected guardians of their local community, and decide whether they want them or not.
It's a legal thing about central govt, and local govt. Anyone claiming it's about the rights of brown people is trying to piss up yer back and tell you it's raining.
N x x x ;)
As I understand it, the cameras are being temporarily deactivated because the local council, who would be responsible for them, were led to believe that they were yer common-or-garden cctv cameras, designed to reduce local crime / drug-dealing / muggings / traffic offences / blah blah blah, when in actual fact they were funded by a Central Govt anti-terrorism initiative without the local council's full knowledge
Whether dusky-coloured locals might just be more inclined to blow themselves up on buses is neither here nor there as far as the local council is concerned. Apparently, the local council feel like they've been sold a pup . . . misled . . . walked up the garden path . . .
Quite understandably, they have withdrawn consent for the time-being, until such time as they've had the chance to have a bit of a think on the whys and wherefores, as the democratically elected guardians of their local community, and decide whether they want them or not.
It's a legal thing about central govt, and local govt. Anyone claiming it's about the rights of brown people is trying to piss up yer back and tell you it's raining.
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
To those who are labouring under the illusion that the removal of these cameras is somehow pandering to those of a dusky-coloured complexion, who pray to a different G*d . . .
As I understand it, the cameras are being temporarily deactivated because the local council, who would be responsible for them, were led to believe that they were yer common-or-garden cctv cameras, designed to reduce local crime / drug-dealing / muggings / traffic offences / blah blah blah, when in actual fact they were funded by a Central Govt anti-terrorism initiative without the local council's full knowledge
Whether dusky-coloured locals might just be more inclined to blow themselves up on buses is neither here nor there as far as the local council is concerned. Apparently, the local council feel like they've been sold a pup . . . misled . . . walked up the garden path . . .
Quite understandably, they have withdrawn consent for the time-being, until such time as they've had the chance to have a bit of a think on the whys and wherefores, as the democratically elected guardians of their local community, and decide whether they want them or not.
It's a legal thing about central govt, and local govt. Anyone claiming it's about the rights of brown people is trying to piss up yer back and tell you it's raining.
N x x x ;)
crime`s a crime even terrorism
also does anti terrorism need local gov approval :dunno:
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
and just in case you forgot how good cctv was
I'm a supporter (generally) of proactive policing and targetting monitoring.
But I'd be more impressed with the example of CCTV if those images had been used to prevent the bombings rather than just find the people after the fact.
(Just noticed I've repeated JTS's point - but I think it bears it)
:thumbup:
i agree whole heartedly
the gang, based in Crawley near Gatwick airport, had been in contact with two of the London bombers, Khan and Tanweer. Khan and Tanweer were tracked, bugged and photographed by MI5 surveillance officers during four meetings with Khyam in the final stages of his plotting. But they slipped off the radar
Tracked, bugged and photographed.
They still managed to destroy the lives of hundreds of people.
Sex God
a lighter look at the situation
