I like many others have read the reports on this case, and I have to say I was horrified that children so young, could inflict such injuries and with such savagery.
I hope they in the five years they are " locked up " will be enough for the authorities to somehow change these kids mental states.
They are violent way beyond their years, and from what I have read their home life has been kind of shite, which has obviously had some sort of weird affect on them.
I cannot believe that children this young can be so cruel, and there are obviously similarities with the Bulger case.
Five years seems like nothing to me for what they put those other kids through, but jeeze they are so young to behave this way surely?
IF the authorities cannot help them, then when they are released how long will it be before we all read about the murders they have committed?....I hope to God I am wrong.
The real worry here is that one of the Brothers has shown no remorse whatsoever, and what goes through his mind must even baffle the experts that have interviewed them, and watched their behavior over the last few months.
Whether the experts can do anything with these kids remains to be seen, but I feel they will be forever a danger to the public...I hope I am wrong.
Also they have already had ABH and assault previously to this.
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Quote by kentswingers777
I like many others have read the reports on this case, and I have to say I was horrified that children so young, could inflict such injuries and with such savagery.
I hope they in the five years they are " locked up " will be enough for the authorities to somehow change these kids mental states.
They are violent way beyond their years, and from what I have read their home life has been kind of shite, which has obviously had some sort of weird affect on them.
I cannot believe that children this young can be so cruel, and there are obviously similarities with the Bulger case.
Five years seems like nothing to me for what they put those other kids through, but jeeze they are so young to behave this way surely?
IF the authorities cannot help them, then when they are released how long will it be before we all read about the murders they have committed?....I hope to God I am wrong.
The real worry here is that one of the Brothers has shown no remorse whatsoever, and what goes through his mind must even baffle the experts that have interviewed them, and watched their behavior over the last few months.
Whether the experts can do anything with these kids remains to be seen, but I feel they will be forever a danger to the public...I hope I am wrong.
Also they have already had ABH and assault previously to this.
If they cannot be helped,they will not be released...remember they have been detained indefinately to serve a minimun of fives years,so if some miracle cure is found in the next couple of years then they will still serve at least fives years...if after fives years they are still the little monsters that they are now,they will stay where they are.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Sex God
Ought to be a minimum of 30 yrs.....
2 Evil,sadistic children who showed no remorse what so ever...
2 Evil,sadistic children who showed no remorse what so ever...
This has been one of the most disturbing stories of recent times in all aspects:
- the "parents"
- the two monsters who committed the crimes
- the pathetic nature of the social services
- the report not being fully published
Just when you think humans couldn't sink any lower in what we are capable of doing to our fellow race this happens. The details are just so upsetting and the horror the two victims went through can't really be imagined.
But what galls me most, as in all these cases, is the attitude of the liberal elite, the do-gooders, the "human rights" brigade. Call them whatever you like. They have played a huge part in bringing our country to this with their pathetic attempts at trying to excuse the convicted and always thinking of the rights of the criminals before the victims. Let's be clear, this atrocity was fully preventable and heads now have to roll.
The fact that my tax money is now going to be used to give these monsters a decent life, a change in identity and a clean slate at some point (and it will happen) really sticks in the craw.
For those who think that it's ok for these monsters to be released after 5 years let me ask you one question - would you like your 16 year old daughter to bring one of them home and introduce them as their new boyfriend?
No, I thought not.
- the "parents"
- the two monsters who committed the crimes
- the pathetic nature of the social services
- the report not being fully published
Just when you think humans couldn't sink any lower in what we are capable of doing to our fellow race this happens. The details are just so upsetting and the horror the two victims went through can't really be imagined.
But what galls me most, as in all these cases, is the attitude of the liberal elite, the do-gooders, the "human rights" brigade. Call them whatever you like. They have played a huge part in bringing our country to this with their pathetic attempts at trying to excuse the convicted and always thinking of the rights of the criminals before the victims. Let's be clear, this atrocity was fully preventable and heads now have to roll.
The fact that my tax money is now going to be used to give these monsters a decent life, a change in identity and a clean slate at some point (and it will happen) really sticks in the craw.
For those who think that it's ok for these monsters to be released after 5 years let me ask you one question - would you like your 16 year old daughter to bring one of them home and introduce them as their new boyfriend?
No, I thought not.
So it now comes to light that the kids parents, subjected them to all sorts of abuse, and they could well now be prosecuted.
I have advocated for years that ANY child under the age of 16, it should be the parents that are hauled into court. It is the PARENTS by LAW that are responsible for their kids, so why are the parents not brought to task for THEIR feral kids behavour?
I am sure that IF parents were held accountable and it was to cost them MONEY they would crack down a lot harder than they do at the moment.
The parents of these kids are now not unusual in todays Britain....we see and read about it now almost on a daily basis.
These kids are without any shadow of a doubt evil, but they were not born that way. Their irresponsible....don't give a toss about anyone parents have to take sole responsibility of what they have brought up.
Yes the parents should be shamed and taken to court, charged and convicted of child neglect and sent to prison...but in today's Britain that is not going to happen, nobody has the balls anymore.
Social services MUST have known about this family from hell, and will wait and see what exactly was done by them, or the courts in the past.
Jail the parents? Most definatly!
Should these kids be released before they are 30? Ask the parents of the two boys they nearly killed, or ask the police who dealt with them.
The so called " experts " from Liberal Britain will no doubt say in 3 years time that they have changed.
I trust those people as about as much as the weathermen.
Will it be a month before we hear about another case as bad as this? We already have had one where a Mother put her son through countless operations and conned thousands off of people who thought her child was ill.
I cannot believe that we have a Mother who is evil...parents that are evil....and two boys so evil beyond their years. Britain in 2010...it can only get better eh? Don't count on it.
I have advocated for years that ANY child under the age of 16, it should be the parents that are hauled into court. It is the PARENTS by LAW that are responsible for their kids, so why are the parents not brought to task for THEIR feral kids behavour?
I am sure that IF parents were held accountable and it was to cost them MONEY they would crack down a lot harder than they do at the moment.
The parents of these kids are now not unusual in todays Britain....we see and read about it now almost on a daily basis.
These kids are without any shadow of a doubt evil, but they were not born that way. Their irresponsible....don't give a toss about anyone parents have to take sole responsibility of what they have brought up.
Yes the parents should be shamed and taken to court, charged and convicted of child neglect and sent to prison...but in today's Britain that is not going to happen, nobody has the balls anymore.
Social services MUST have known about this family from hell, and will wait and see what exactly was done by them, or the courts in the past.
Jail the parents? Most definatly!
Should these kids be released before they are 30? Ask the parents of the two boys they nearly killed, or ask the police who dealt with them.
The so called " experts " from Liberal Britain will no doubt say in 3 years time that they have changed.
I trust those people as about as much as the weathermen.
Will it be a month before we hear about another case as bad as this? We already have had one where a Mother put her son through countless operations and conned thousands off of people who thought her child was ill.
I cannot believe that we have a Mother who is evil...parents that are evil....and two boys so evil beyond their years. Britain in 2010...it can only get better eh? Don't count on it.
Quote by kentswingers777
So it now comes to light that the kids parents, subjected them to all sorts of abuse, and they could well now be prosecuted.
I have advocated for years that ANY child under the age of 16, it should be the parents that are hauled into court. It is the PARENTS by LAW that are responsible for their kids, so why are the parents not brought to task for THEIR feral kids behavour?
I am sure that IF parents were held accountable and it was to cost them MONEY they would crack down a lot harder than they do at the moment.
The parents of these kids are now not unusual in todays Britain....we see and read about it now almost on a daily basis.
These kids are without any shadow of a doubt evil, but they were not born that way. Their irresponsible....don't give a toss about anyone parents have to take sole responsibility of what they have brought up.
Yes the parents should be shamed and taken to court, charged and convicted of child neglect and sent to prison...but in today's Britain that is not going to happen, nobody has the balls anymore.
Social services MUST have known about this family from hell, and will wait and see what exactly was done by them, or the courts in the past.
Jail the parents? Most definatly!
Should these kids be released before they are 30? Ask the parents of the two boys they nearly killed, or ask the police who dealt with them.
The so called " experts " from Liberal Britain will no doubt say in 3 years time that they have changed.
I trust those people as about as much as the weathermen.
Will it be a month before we hear about another case as bad as this? We already have had one where a Mother put her son through countless operations and conned thousands off of people who thought her child was ill.
I cannot believe that we have a Mother who is evil...parents that are evil....and two boys so evil beyond their years. Britain in 2010...it can only get better eh? Don't count on it.
BTW swcpl.....your above comments are what most decent hard working people think.
Yes we have created this situation ourselves with the do gooders and people only too willing to give them a second or third or sixteenth chance.
The social services in this case are no doubt in the same vain as the others I have mentioned.
That's where the experts are expected to do their work, in reforming these kids. We have to believe its possible and it works. That's all we can do.
But there are kids in Africa who at those ages use small assault rifles and go about chopping each other with machetes. So its all due to training and conditioning, in that case.
These two boys can't possibly be treated any other way than with rehabilitation.
And the social service has become so bureaucratic and inefficient that it can only respond in a ponderous and late reacting way. Which I think is caused by people settling into comfortable professionalism and career building.
This is an age old evil, which people protect their families from around the world in more remote and troubled communities than ours. The intervention of intellectual expertise is not possible in some communities, but it has established itself in developed countries with exacerbating consequences.
But there are kids in Africa who at those ages use small assault rifles and go about chopping each other with machetes. So its all due to training and conditioning, in that case.
These two boys can't possibly be treated any other way than with rehabilitation.
And the social service has become so bureaucratic and inefficient that it can only respond in a ponderous and late reacting way. Which I think is caused by people settling into comfortable professionalism and career building.
This is an age old evil, which people protect their families from around the world in more remote and troubled communities than ours. The intervention of intellectual expertise is not possible in some communities, but it has established itself in developed countries with exacerbating consequences.
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
Quote by GnV
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Quote by awayman
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
If you want to protect the public you have only one choice. Rehabilitation.
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
Quote by GnV
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
Quote by awayman
If you want to protect the public you have only one choice. Rehabilitation.
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
Sorry, you'll forgive me if I don't play your silly game of cat and mouse...
You are obviously an expert in such matters.
From your profile:
Feel free to point, laugh, and use the phrase 'up himself' a lot.
Says it all really...
Sex God
Quote by awayman
If you want to protect the public you have only one choice. Rehabilitation.
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
And you have proof to back these claims up then
Quote by Steve
If you want to protect the public you have only one choice. Rehabilitation.
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
And you have proof to back these claims up then
No but no doubt the Guardian does.
Claims?
They're predictions, not claims.
The younger boy already presents as a psychopath, according to news reports of the psychological work done on him pre-trial. Prisons are playgrounds for psychopaths. If he keeps on presenting as a psychopath maybe he'll go to a secure hospital rather than Cat A, but patients in Broadmoor and Ashworth harm each other as well.
And you have proof to back these claims up then
They're predictions, not claims.
The younger boy already presents as a psychopath, according to news reports of the psychological work done on him pre-trial. Prisons are playgrounds for psychopaths. If he keeps on presenting as a psychopath maybe he'll go to a secure hospital rather than Cat A, but patients in Broadmoor and Ashworth harm each other as well.
Quote by Steve
If you want to protect the public you have only one choice. Rehabilitation.
Lock them up without rehabilitation and they'll still harm people. They'll beat up and maim other kids in care. They'll attack their care workers. They'll graduate to YOI's where they'll just find more victims, traumatizing kids who're in for minor offences. They'll move onto Cat A, and they'll harm other prisoners, and screws, and anyone else they can get their hands on.
Over to you.
And you have proof to back these claims up then
Sex God
Quote by awayman
Claims?
They're predictions, not claims.
The younger boy already presents as a psychopath, according to news reports of the psychological work done on him pre-trial. Prisons are playgrounds for psychopaths. If he keeps on presenting as a psychopath maybe he'll go to a secure hospital rather than Cat A, but patients in Broadmoor and Ashworth harm each other as well.
So you label somone elses comments as diatribe yet your "alternative" is mearly a crystal ball stylee prediction :lol2:
The more I read about this case, the more I think that these two evil kids are already formed, from a mental point of view.
I am beginning to think that in some cases, rehabilitation will just never happen.
The Moors murderers would/will never be released, not only because their crimes were so horrific, but that the public outrage would never have allowed it...plus could either one of them have ever been rehabilitated? I think not as sometimes evil is from head to toe..in their bones.
These kids had done this only a week before to another child. Not as bad but close.
Locking them up will not change them, in my opinion it will only make them worse as the life they will HAVE to lead now is a much easier screw than living in the " real world ".
They will want for nothing....Social workers will be on hand to wipe their arses, and they will learn that crime does pay.
Their education will be one on one....blimey I wish my kids had had that.
New identities too no doubt.
They and their dreadful parents should be named and shamed. All this anonymity is rubbish in my view.
They knew full well they were doing wrong, but in their world it was very normal.
I bet Social services are queuing around the block, to be able to bend over backwards to give these kids everything, whilst the " victims " in all of this will have to live with that nightmare forever.
I bet the " victims " like usual will just be forgotten, whilst the perpetrators get everything money and resources can give them.
What a justice system we have!
I am beginning to think that in some cases, rehabilitation will just never happen.
The Moors murderers would/will never be released, not only because their crimes were so horrific, but that the public outrage would never have allowed it...plus could either one of them have ever been rehabilitated? I think not as sometimes evil is from head to toe..in their bones.
These kids had done this only a week before to another child. Not as bad but close.
Locking them up will not change them, in my opinion it will only make them worse as the life they will HAVE to lead now is a much easier screw than living in the " real world ".
They will want for nothing....Social workers will be on hand to wipe their arses, and they will learn that crime does pay.
Their education will be one on one....blimey I wish my kids had had that.
New identities too no doubt.
They and their dreadful parents should be named and shamed. All this anonymity is rubbish in my view.
They knew full well they were doing wrong, but in their world it was very normal.
I bet Social services are queuing around the block, to be able to bend over backwards to give these kids everything, whilst the " victims " in all of this will have to live with that nightmare forever.
I bet the " victims " like usual will just be forgotten, whilst the perpetrators get everything money and resources can give them.
What a justice system we have!
Sex God
Quote by duncanlondon
I thinn if there's that much money in the public pot to pay for the offenders, then an equivalent amount should be awarded to the victims.
Yes agreed, I like that
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I thinn if there's that much money in the public pot to pay for the offenders, then an equivalent amount should be awarded to the victims.
No no no...
Nothing should be given to the criminals other than a proper sentence.
Any money in the " public pot " should be given to the victims.
" tough on crime...tough on the causes of crime " what a pack of lies that one was.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I thinn if there's that much money in the public pot to pay for the offenders, then an equivalent amount should be awarded to the victims.
No no no...
Nothing should be given to the criminals other than a proper sentence.
Any money in the " public pot " should be given to the victims.
" tough on crime...tough on the causes of crime " what a pack of lies that one was.
Yes but surely a proper sentence is paid for with public money, we have to keep them so they will receive public money.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
How would us knowing there name protect us?
When/if they come out they will have new names and identity's all paid for by us...
Quote by Bluefish2009
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
How would us knowing there name protect us?
When/if they come out they will have new names and identity's all paid for by us...
I think that is the point of Sara's Law which the Home Secretary now seems to support (in advance of a General Election).
Slightly different circumstances of course, but we did get to learn the real names of the Bulger kids, did we not?
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Spare us the diatribe.
Over the next five to fifteen years professionals will work to fix these kids. They'll be trying to undo the harm that has been done to these kids by their parents. If there's no prospect of them ever being able to leave their past behind the chances of fixing them get much reduced. So we have two choices. Do everything we can to rehabilitate them, including a change of name, or give in to the desire for revenge and risk not fixing them and having to lock them up for ever.
That's not being a do gooder; that's being pragmatic.
What I find particularly galling is the fact that the "do-gooders" are continuing to suggest that the names of these two brutes are kept from the general public to "protect" them.
FFS, what about the protection of the general public?
Isn't this just the same as elsewhere in "broken Britain"? The burglar gets the protection whilst the burgled get banged up or threatened with prosecution for trying to protect themselves?
Who said anything about revenge?
I was talking about protecting the public at large...
How would us knowing there name protect us?
When/if they come out they will have new names and identity's all paid for by us...
I think that is the point of Sara's Law which the Home Secretary now seems to support (in advance of a General Election).
Slightly different circumstances of course, but we did get to learn the real names of the Bulger kids, did we not?
Yes but what are they called now?
And, I think I am correct in saying one of the papers has released the names of the boys this morning, could be wrong though.
I still not sure how knowing there name will help protect anyone. Lock um up, throw away key. the only down side is it costly to the tax payer
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Erm we discussing children here?
strangely ben i think we are,but the laws on not naming children seem to only be guidlines in some peoples be broken when there purient interest is arroused.
the quality of mercy is not strained.
should we not be judged on how we treat the damaged in our society?
you are of coarse correct, and it sounds much like some thing my Mum would have said, but my problem is the damaged wanted to damage others, and if that was aloud to continue eventually we would all be damaged, or is that daft?
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Erm we discussing children here?
strangely ben i think we are,but the laws on not naming children seem to only be guidlines in some peoples be broken when there purient interest is arroused.
the quality of mercy is not strained.
should we not be judged on how we treat the damaged in our society?
you are of coarse correct, and it sounds much like some thing my Mum would have said, but my problem is the damaged wanted to damage others, and if that was aloud to continue eventually we would all be damaged, or is that daft?
not daft at all blue,these children may never be safe to release,and to protect society may need to be in custody for a very long time,but our attitude towards them and our reasons for incarcerating them show our values.
Im kinda worried by the fact i remind you of your mum tho!
Its OK, you don't remind me of my mum, just sounds so much like some thing she would have said. I can remember being reprimanded by Mum for wishing some misfortune onto some one. She told me a story of when she was young that she was eating fish and chips and a young boy stole one of her chips, as he did this, she said, "hope you chock on it" with her next mouthful she got a fish bone stuck in her throat, and how horrid it was to get out....
Well, You get the idea...That was the kind of thing she may have said
Sex God
Quote by Ms_Whips
i'm all for mercy for the damaged, but my mercy is more for the boys these two have damaged. the reason being that we all have a choice. these boys knew that they were doing wrong. my son is 15 and been allowed to watch no end of horror films including the saw films, he plays shoot-em-up games, he has drank alchol, he's been around people who have taken drugs, he's no doubt at some point watched porn with his mates (i know he's looked at it as i found it in his room), but he has no inclination to terrorise anyone let alone do what these boys have done. being from an abusive family and exposure to horror films and porn do not make a killer or there would be alot more of them. that's like saying that wathing gay porn will make you gay or that all those sexually abused as children will abuse others themself.
the inclination to do these things has to be there to start with. there are plenty of killers and abusers who have come from good respectable homes with nothing to blame. i personally don't think that they can be rehabilitated. not that they shouldn't try, but i don't think for a moment it will work with these boys at all.
rather than keep any criminal in relative comfort they should be stripped of everything. there should also be a way for them to earn their keep without earning a penny themselves.
i have a name.....huntly. he had his name changed to protect him. did sod all to protect the girls he killed though.
whips
I can remember attending a family Christmas party with my now wife, I took my then 16 year old daughter with me. The host's daughter who was 19 was drunk and making a fool of her self. I aloud, my daughter, as I had for some time to have a couple of alco pops during the evening. The host thought it necessary to tell me I should not allow her to have alcohol, my reply was to tell her that perhaps if she had aloud her daughter alcohol earlier in life you could have taught her the dangers and she would not be now making a fool of her self. Not a great start with the in-laws really, but it made me mad so it had to be said.
