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ODD ( that''s Oppositional Defiance Disorder )

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There has been a story running last week about a 12 year old boy who has this alarming " new " disorder.

Apparently " the Satan Child " as he is known has, single handedly terrorised his local residents in Hull where he lives.
He has stolen cars and assaulted neighbours, usually the old and infirm who cannot fight back. He has started fires and has already been expelled from three schools.
Yet amazingly his " Mother " say's he needs help and not punishment. The reason? Well apparently he has ODD. That is a new one on me.
For a child psychologist has diagnosed him with some fantasy condition called Oppositional Defiance Disorder, which means he does the opposite of what anyone tells him to do. Maybe it should be renamed....ALBS, which is Awkward Little Bugger Syndrome. wink
I do not believe For a second this is a REAL illness, despite the fact a bunch of silly psychologists, whose intellectual liberalism, won't allow them to believe anyone can be just plain bad, ,say it is.
Surely the " cure " for this new illness should be a clip around the ear and a Mother who should have paid more attention to her son as he was growing into a violent tearaway?
The local copper says it is a miracle the boy has not killed anyone yet. Well if his Mother does not start doing some serious parenting, he soon will......And that will be someone elses fault as well, won't it?
Is this a real illness or just another excuse for ferel little toads to try and get away with being total horrors?
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For a child psychologist has diagnosed him with some fantasy condition called Oppositional Defiance Disorder, which means he does the opposite of what anyone tells him to do. Maybe it should be renamed....ALBS, which is Awkward Little Bugger Syndrome. wink
Is this a real illness or just another excuse for ferel little toads to try and get away with being total horrors?

Well one way to find out is to tell him to go out and steal cars, start fires etc..... :wink:
many currently accepted "real" illnesses were initially met by the same disdain and disbelief..and are today treated clinically...I'm thinking depression, post natal depression, etc...
so I wouldn't dismiss it so out of hand.
that said, I have little love for most of the psychobabble and consequent lack of self esteem and of "solve it" attitude...it seems to me that way too often we call for "professional help" as a cheap way of getting of our arses and face the music.
and way too often the so called "experts" are talking rubbish and looking at charts instead of at the people they're supposed to help
I agree that probably the "clip around the ear" school of handling things should not be totally dismissed as violating the child's right and being abusive.
there must be a breaking point where pampering and "gently nudging" and standing firm and acting decisively must meet, if parents are to give a child a fighting chance in the world.
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many currently accepted "real" illnesses were initially met by the same disdain and disbelief..and are today treated clinically...I'm thinking depression, post natal depression, etc...
so I wouldn't dismiss it so out of hand.
that said, I have little love for most of the psychobabble and consequent lack of self esteem and of "solve it" attitude...it seems to me that way too often we call for "professional help" as a cheap way of getting of our arses and face the music.
and way too often the so called "experts" are talking rubbish and looking at charts instead of at the people they're supposed to help
I agree that probably the "clip around the ear" school of handling things should not be totally dismissed as violating the child's right and being abusive.
there must be a breaking point where pampering and "gently nudging" and standing firm and acting decisively must meet, if parents are to give a child a fighting chance in the world.

What about the peoples rights this little toad has abused?
Too many kids get the help that sometimes is wasted. So many kids seem to be having " anger management ". What the heck did they do with the angry kids when I was young?
Too much pandering for the wrong reasons, If other kids see this little toad getting all this help for being a little sod, no wonder there are so many ready to take his place. For if this kid was a well behaved child, he would not get any help and so at least being a horror, he gets more help than a well behaved child.
As usual there is no Father around, and to me there lies a fundamental problem to start with, as most of these horrors never seem to have a Father in their lives. I am not saying single Mothers cannot do a good job, as many do but....whenever we read things like this the family always seem to be in the usual situation. Broken family, benefits, no social interaction with their kids.
A clip around the ear would work a damn sight better than all the nambys who will be lining up around the block, to give this kid what they should be giving to well behaved kids in our society. They never seem to get anything, but the wrong un's get all the help.
Its been around for years and its not the bollocks the dailymail feeds us. Its a way of trying to understand why some kids behave, not excuse behaviours.
I must take the chance to give you an idea of just how cynically the Daily Mail breeds hate in the UK. Recently they ran an article about how some health authorities offer accelerated health care plans for travelling communities because sometimes, by the time they get an appointment they have moved on. In thier usual spirit of Hate the daily mail ran an internet poll asking "Should Gypsys Get To Jump the NHS Queues. The poll was noticed by folk who could see it as the hate campaign it was and once the poll reached 95% in favour the Mail pulled it and mentioned it not again.
Rememeber the old saying, you are what you read.
Seen it so many times before...
The Pensioners will get to the end of their tether, call him names and the problem will be resolved as the Pensioners are taken off to prison for abusing the little scroat.
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Its been around for years and its not the bollocks the dailymail feeds us. Its a way of trying to understand why some kids behave, not excuse behaviours.
I must take the chance to give you an idea of just how cynically the Daily Mail breeds hate in the UK. Recently they ran an article about how some health authorities offer accelerated health care plans for travelling communities because sometimes, by the time they get an appointment they have moved on. In thier usual spirit of Hate the daily mail ran an internet poll asking "Should Gypsys Get To Jump the NHS Queues. The poll was noticed by folk who could see it as the hate campaign it was and once the poll reached 95% in favour the Mail pulled it and mentioned it not again.
Rememeber the old saying, you are what you read.

That may well be a saying but....I know what I would rather believe, and it ain't the Guardian or Libertys weekly news. biggrin
As for the rest you have written I cannot possibly comment without seeing the evidence myself.
Nowadays there is always a reason as to why people are ferel, especially kids. Could it just be as simple as, they are little toads with no regard to peoples feelings or property?
Could it also be anything to do with the fact they know the courts cannot touch them and the only badge of honour they know is the next ASBO?
Excuses excuses but....always seem the wrong ones.A CATE ( that is a Clip Around The Ear )is the best solution I can think of. :idea:
Mr Kent.... you should spend less time reading the Guardian! ;-)
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Typical chav kid......
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Typical chav kid......

Come on Browning...the poor little love is not well, he has ODD. wink
It does exist Kentykins, I find myself overwhelmed by it every time you post.
:P
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It does exist Kentykins, I find myself overwhelmed by it every time you post.
:P

Yes go on admit it witchy, ya wanna shag me.....don't you? wink
It is just another excuse to experiment on children with mindbending drugs. This lad has managed to get himself a reputation at an early age in a very rough part of the country, they have made up a diagnosis, and will no doubt begin his "drug therapy" real soon.
What will it be this time? Maybe stimulants like Ritalin or Dexamphetamine. Or maybe they will give him the chemical Cosh with varied doses of Chlorpromazine (Largactil®), that will certainly make him quieter. Or they could try Lithium, used to treat mania. Then there are hundreds of different tranquilisers and anti depressants.
I have met a lot of people with problems, and they are all led to believe these drugs are the answer, and helping to line the pockets of greedy pharmaceutical companies.
The lad's new illness will lead him to a new life of misery, and an early death.
The problem is Kent you always comment without finding out about the subject you have taken to heart.
If you took the trouble to know things before making prejudicial assumptions you wouldnt casue quite so much offence so often. I tir eof pointing you in the right direction since once your prejudice is established you seem incapable of taking on board any new information.
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It is just another excuse to experiment on children with mindbending drugs. This lad has managed to get himself a reputation at an early age in a very rough part of the country, they have made up a diagnosis, and will no doubt begin his "drug therapy" real soon.
What will it be this time? Maybe stimulants like Ritalin or Dexamphetamine. Or maybe they will give him the chemical Cosh with varied doses of Chlorpromazine (Largactil®), that will certainly make him quieter. Or they could try Lithium, used to treat mania. Then there are hundreds of different tranquilisers and anti depressants.
I have met a lot of people with problems, and they are all led to believe these drugs are the answer, and helping to line the pockets of greedy pharmaceutical companies.
The lad's new illness will lead him to a new life of misery, and an early death.

Unfortunately I think you're right BrightonGeezer. An article in the Manchester Evening News this week had me googling Unsocialised Conduct Disorder, and according to Google 'typical behaviours comprise: bullying, excessive fighting, and (in older children) extortion or violent assault; excessive levels of disobedience, rudeness, uncooperativeness, and resistance to authority; severe temper tantrums and uncontrolled rages; destructiveness to property, fire-setting, and cruelty to animals and other children. Some isolated children, however, become involved in group offending.'
Now to me the clue is in the name. The 'disorder' arises from the fact that the kid ain't been properly socialised. More Googling brings up loads of scholarly articles and recommended treatments, and lo and behold recommended treatments are pharmaceutical ones. Adults have failed to socialise these kids, adults have caused the problem, adults have fundamentally deprived these kids, and the solution yet again seems to be all about the kids, and it's chemical coshes all round. confused
N x x x ;)
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The problem is Kent you always comment without finding out about the subject you have taken to heart.
If you took the trouble to know things before making prejudicial assumptions you wouldnt casue quite so much offence so often. I tir eof pointing you in the right direction since once your prejudice is established you seem incapable of taking on board any new information.

Benny....I did research this " new " illness. In my day it was just called being a little git, but of course nowadays anyone that is ever so slightly off the middle of the road, is labelled with some disorder or another.
Most people just have bad habits but of course people like yourself always see it as something else. Another disorder they think up.
Disorders are just like reading your stars. If I was to read one that is not mine, something in that is always relevant to me. Just like these so called disorders. I can link most of them to me in some way. I can do the opposite to what I am told, or be naughty as a kid or even I think I am superior to some people.
So what disorder do I fall into? I would say most of them in some way.
Trouble is Benny people like yourself that knock me always seem to have an answer, but it is not always a sensible one. Why do people continue to blame others or something, when in reality it is mainly just because the person is naughty, or just purely has been brought up by parent or parents that would not know a parent if it appeared out of their arses.
My opinion is that things like ODD are just an excuse, that goes away from the real issues, which are quite simply no boundaries and bad parents.
Thank you for the response Kent.
I value your opinion even when it is misinformed and wrong as it is in this instance.
Its not new.
Its not an illness.
The mother and the mother alone seems to be excusing the childs behaviour on the basis of the label being used.
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Thank you for the response Kent.
I value your opinion even when it is misinformed and wrong as it is in this instance.
Its not new.
Its not an illness.
The mother and the mother alone seems to be excusing the childs behaviour on the basis of the label being used.

lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well going by this website myself and most of my mates had this when we were young.

Also most kids have this as well, especially those with no boundaries at home.
Sorry but I find all this liberal approach to bad behaviour too much to take on board on a hot day. My brains are scrambled enough.....load of old tosh.
Wish I would have known about this when I was a kid, would have got a damn site more help than I got at the time. Then you were punished for bad behaviour. Funny how this seems to be a recent thing. Still a name for everything now, no matter what it is. mad
kent, dude, I might have worded it badly, but the phrase you highlighted in my post was actually fully agreeing with you...
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kent, dude, I might have worded it badly, but the phrase you highlighted in my post was actually fully agreeing with you...

Sorry melting it is hot today. wink
I am not used to people agreeing with me, so maybe it was the shock. :wink:
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It is just another excuse to experiment on children with mindbending drugs. This lad has managed to get himself a reputation at an early age in a very rough part of the country, they have made up a diagnosis, and will no doubt begin his "drug therapy" real soon.
What will it be this time? Maybe stimulants like Ritalin or Dexamphetamine. Or maybe they will give him the chemical Cosh with varied doses of Chlorpromazine (Largactil®), that will certainly make him quieter. Or they could try Lithium, used to treat mania. Then there are hundreds of different tranquilisers and anti depressants.
I have met a lot of people with problems, and they are all led to believe these drugs are the answer, and helping to line the pockets of greedy pharmaceutical companies.
The lad's new illness will lead him to a new life of misery, and an early death.

Unfortunately I think you're right BrightonGeezer. An article in the Manchester Evening News this week had me googling Unsocialised Conduct Disorder, and according to Google 'typical behaviours comprise: bullying, excessive fighting, and (in older children) extortion or violent assault; excessive levels of disobedience, rudeness, uncooperativeness, and resistance to authority; severe temper tantrums and uncontrolled rages; destructiveness to property, fire-setting, and cruelty to animals and other children. Some isolated children, however, become involved in group offending.'
Now to me the clue is in the name. The 'disorder' arises from the fact that the kid ain't been properly socialised. More Googling brings up loads of scholarly articles and recommended treatments, and lo and behold recommended treatments are pharmaceutical ones. Adults have failed to socialise these kids, adults have caused the problem, adults have fundamentally deprived these kids, and the solution yet again seems to be all about the kids, and it's chemical coshes all round. confused
N x x x ;)
Nail hit squarely on the head, sad isn't it?
Just like any other young animal a child only knows what he or she is taught. The main thing being neglected these days being discipline, it starts with the parents and continues throughout their young life and education. Those responsible for removing the boundaries that previous generations had to adhere to are responsible. The first glimpse I got of this was in my own last year at school. A momentous year that was, with many schools abandoning school uniforms and turning the mealtime routines into a free-for-all cafeteria, and of course all schools being banned from using corporal punishment.
I hated most of my teachers because I knew what to expect if I misbehaved, there were one or two "nice" ones, but they struggled to keep an orderly classroom, even back then.
I left school over 25 years ago, and have seen kids and young adults get worse with every generation. The next generation will no doubt consist of many drug addled zombies. sad
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kent, dude, I might have worded it badly, but the phrase you highlighted in my post was actually fully agreeing with you...

Sorry melting it is hot today. wink
I am not used to people agreeing with me, so maybe it was the shock. :wink:if it helps, I don't agree with a lot of what you say biggrin
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kent, dude, I might have worded it badly, but the phrase you highlighted in my post was actually fully agreeing with you...

Sorry melting it is hot today. wink
I am not used to people agreeing with me, so maybe it was the shock. :wink:if it helps, I don't agree with a lot of what you say biggrin
Phew......that is better. :wink:
You are right, most people exhibit some of the beahviour described. The label exists to describe people for whom it makes life a misery.
It isnt done to excuse anti social behaviour. It is only the likes of daily mail and the small minded who seem to need to use these words to engender hate rather than to seek understanding.
At least the Daily Mail has the excuse of wanting to sell newspapers to the small minded.
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You are right, most people exhibit some of the beahviour described. The label exists to describe people for whom it makes life a misery.
It isnt done to excuse anti social behaviour. It is only the likes of daily mail and the small minded who seem to need to use these words to engender hate rather than to seek understanding.
At least the Daily Mail has the excuse of wanting to sell newspapers to the small minded.

The only people who suffer from misery, are the people whose lives are wrcked by the little ferel toads.
I may be " small minded " but I know a fast one when I see it.
Where the heck do you get " engender hate " from?
We seek understanding to those that genuinly need it, not people who forever make excuses for their bad social behaviour.
If I was to list my points good and bad, I would have many of these disorders meself. But of course I do not have any of them, but as an adult I know the difference between yes and no, and right and wrong.
Lefty social namby pambys always seem to make excuses and help those who do not need help, just a whack around the ear with a hard newspaper.
Is that understanding enough?? smile
Actually your day to day behaviour on these forums makes it highly likely that you suffer from a personality disorder-but i repeat, that doesnt excvuse them..
In terms of hate, what do you think the purpose of the original article and your post was, it certainly wasnt love consideration or understanding was it?
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Actually your day to day behaviour on these forums makes it highly likely that you suffer from a personality disorder-but i repeat, that doesnt excvuse them..
In terms of hate, what do you think the purpose of the original article and your post was, it certainly wasnt love consideration or understanding was it?

Well am sure if I over step the mark, you will let admin know .....again, or send me one of your nice pm's.....again.
My " day to day behaviour ", would not have nothing to do with the fact that you do not agree on anything I say......would it??
I say things how I think they are Benny, and seeing as you said you was not going to reply to any more of my forums posts, that lasted about as long as your " flounce " to never contribute on the forums again.
If you do not like what I write then you can always do the easy thing, and not answer surely?
I think this disorder is a load of old tosh, and you do not.....period!! Let's just move on to something else eh?
I see these kind off kids everyday when i'm at work(i'm a london bus driver). They have zero respect for anyone or anything, theres always someone willing to make an excuse for them
little jonny did'nt do well at school, little jonny did'nt have a father figure, little jonny had cheap trainers, etc etc.
How about, little jonny's a bloody nightmare because he has been brought up by parents or parent who don't give a shit.
Schhhhhh Browning, you sound like you have a disorder yoursef.....it is named " honesty " . wink