Liverpool player Luis Suarez has been convicted by the FA of racial abuse, Fined £4000 and given an 8 match ban, that to me should have been and end of it, with hopefully some regret and a lesson learned on his part.
So I was dissmayed to see the whole Liverpool squad, obviously with the approval of the Club owners, manager and shareholders approval, enter the field for thier pre-match warm up wearing one and all Suarez shirts with his name and number on them as a gesture of support.
Supporting racism is disgusting, the whole club should now be facing fines and point deduction in my opinion. Please don't tell me they were of the same opinion as me and felt that the support would show they thought the matter at an end, not a club with image advisors, legal advisors, PR consultants, supposedly intelligent businesmen and the like on thier payroll.
To me it said "so what he is racist we don't care why shouldn't he be"
Hang your heads in shame Liverpool FC and I hope the FA will take action for your display of united racism. :sad:
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Liverpool player Luis Suarez has been convicted by the FA of racial abuse, Fined £4000 and given an 8 match ban, that to me should have been and end of it, with hopefully some regret and a lesson learned on his part.
So I was dissmayed to see the whole Liverpool squad, obviously with the approval of the Club owners, manager and shareholders approval, enter the field for thier pre-match warm up wearing one and all Suarez shirts with his name and number on them as a gesture of support.
Supporting racism is disgusting, the whole club should now be facing fines and point deduction in my opinion. Please don't tell me they were of the same opinion as me and felt that the support would show they thought the matter at an end, not a club with image advisors, legal advisors, PR consultants, supposedly intelligent businesmen and the like on thier payroll.
To me it said "so what he is racist we don't care why shouldn't he be"
Hang your heads in shame Liverpool FC and I hope the FA will take action for your display of united racism. :sad:
the word of one person vs another with no other evidence
not something that would have held up in a court of law mids i think suarez has played the part of a FA example exercise
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Liverpool player Luis Suarez has been convicted by the FA of racial abuse, Fined £4000 and given an 8 match ban, that to me should have been and end of it, with hopefully some regret and a lesson learned on his part.
So I was dissmayed to see the whole Liverpool squad, obviously with the approval of the Club owners, manager and shareholders approval, enter the field for thier pre-match warm up wearing one and all Suarez shirts with his name and number on them as a gesture of support.
Supporting racism is disgusting, the whole club should now be facing fines and point deduction in my opinion. Please don't tell me they were of the same opinion as me and felt that the support would show they thought the matter at an end, not a club with image advisors, legal advisors, PR consultants, supposedly intelligent businesmen and the like on thier payroll.
To me it said "so what he is racist we don't care why shouldn't he be"
Hang your heads in shame Liverpool FC and I hope the FA will take action for your display of united racism. :sad:
the word of one person vs another with no other evidence
not something that would have held up in a court of law mids i think suarez has played the part of a FA example exercise
He was tried by an organisation he and his fellow Liverpool players, management and shareholders have signed up to abide by therefore there can be no "yes but no but yes but no", I would have to abide by the ruling of a Magistrates or County Courts judgement and I haven't even signed up to thier laws I am simply a resident of the UK by birth, I got no choice in the matter, they did get a choice, if they didn't agree with it then they should be appealing or going on strike or anything but not showing support in this manner, there were other options available to them to show support, the media love to talk to them why not just issue a statement to say that they as one all thought him innocent despite the ruling ? what they did was wear his shirt with his name and his number which says to me, "he is racist and I am the same as him".
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
He was tried by an organisation he and his fellow Liverpool players, management and shareholders have signed up to abide by therefore there can be no "yes but no but yes but no", I would have to abide by the ruling of a Magistrates or County Courts judgement and I haven't even signed up to thier laws I am simply a resident of the UK by birth, I got no choice in the matter, they did get a choice, if they didn't agree with it then they should be appealing or going on strike or anything but not showing support in this manner, there were other options available to them to show support, the media love to talk to them why not just issue a statement to say that they as one all thought him innocent despite the ruling ? what they did was wear his shirt with his name and his number which says to me, "he is racist and I am the same as him".
to be honest mids i don't think he got much of a trial by the Fa and I'm no Liverpool fan
when you look at the john terry incident it was captured on camera and visible to see
now any football player can accuse another of verbal abuse with no or little evidence and with football being a big money game i doubt this will now be the last incident we will see now
the fact that saurez has the support of john barnes speaks volumes
Sex God
This is not one word against another. Saurez used a racially discriminating word by his own admission but this word is not offensive in his own country.
It is simply not possible in Britain to use any word - offensive or otherwise - to infer any kind of racial differences.
Kenny Dalgleish will ultimately be held responsible for the big error in judgement in letting the players wear those t-shirts. Very much like Richard keys and Andy Gray, he is of an age that is not up to speed with modern day attitudes to discrimination and displayed his ignorance by allowing the players to wear those shirts.
Liverpool's attitude overall has been questionable for no other reason than the sensitivity of the issue, they really ought to have maintained a dignified silence until they had the report in their hands and any appeal had been heard and ruled on. I wonder if Liverpool will now face charges of bringing the game into disrepute by facing up to the Football Association in this way.
It is simply not possible in Britain to use any word - offensive or otherwise - to infer any kind of racial differences.
Kenny Dalgleish will ultimately be held responsible for the big error in judgement in letting the players wear those t-shirts. Very much like Richard keys and Andy Gray, he is of an age that is not up to speed with modern day attitudes to discrimination and displayed his ignorance by allowing the players to wear those shirts.
Liverpool's attitude overall has been questionable for no other reason than the sensitivity of the issue, they really ought to have maintained a dignified silence until they had the report in their hands and any appeal had been heard and ruled on. I wonder if Liverpool will now face charges of bringing the game into disrepute by facing up to the Football Association in this way.
Sex God
Are we permitted to say/write what words he used or called some one so we can judge or make up our minds as to how serious this was....
I ask as I do not know what happened, do not follow football at all
I ask as I do not know what happened, do not follow football at all
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would the other player have been charged had he racially abused Luis Suarez ?
would anton ferdinand be charged had he racially abused john terry?
no no and no again i beleeve.
sorry but that is how i see things.
That may be so (and I fear it is) But 2 wrongs don't make a right, by what you say we should scrap all racism law in this country :sad:
Quote by GnV
This whole fucking thing has got out of hand.
Bang their bleeding heads together, tell them to grow up and act like adults.
Just goes to prove that footballers are a load of fairies - over paid, over rated and over sexed ones at that.
So is that the policy you would like to see for all racist (abuse) crime ? someone should bang thier heads together and tell them to grow up, or are you just singling out footballers for that treatment and possibly because you don't like them ?
Quote by MidsCouple24
would the other player have been charged had he racially abused Luis Suarez ?
would anton ferdinand be charged had he racially abused john terry?
no no and no again i beleeve.
sorry but that is how i see things.
That may be so (and I fear it is) But 2 wrongs don't make a right, by what you say we should scrap all racism law in this country :sad:
never said about 2 wrongs, what i did say is that you can only be a racist or say something racially ofensive if you are indeed white.
i have never seen a case come to court of a black man accused of racist coments towards a white person. on that basis it is one sided and unjust that either terry or the liverpool player have been/were charged and convicted.
i have never seen so much one sided nonsence in my life. for the record whilst i am no lover of liverpool fc, i agree 100% with the actions that there manager and the players took the other night :thumbup:
Sex God
A bit of perspective.
I draw your attention to the line "Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can break hearts".
I draw your attention to the line "Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can break hearts".
The offensive word used by Suarez is 'negrito' and is said to not have the nasty racist tone in Uruguay, where he is from, that it does here. The word is offensive, but rather than rightly consign it to history, it is kept alive by the likes of MTV, and is seen to be used extensively by black people amongst themselves, yet if a white person were to use it, all hell would break loose. Until such time that everyone reads from the same page, this problem will never go away.
Quote by essex34m
The offensive word used by Suarez is 'negrito' and is said to not have the nasty racist tone in Uruguay, where he is from, that it does here. The word is offensive, but rather than rightly consign it to history, it is kept alive by the likes of MTV, and is seen to be used extensively by black people amongst themselves, yet if a white person were to use it, all hell would break loose. Until such time that everyone reads from the same page, this problem will never go away.
then it will never go away. until black and white are treeted the same within the law, and they are cleerly not, this problem will exist for white peeple.
for clarity i hope they cut the match bans down to 2 and terry is cleered. he wont be though as he will be used as an example.
now we have had alan hanson on match of the day refering to black players as coloured and all hell breaks loose and he was forced to appologise fgs. why? is being coloured offensive as well. why? as a Jamaican is not black in colour but brown so why call them black? crazy. :twisted:
Sex God
Quote by essex34m
The offensive word used by Suarez is 'negrito' and is said to not have the nasty racist tone in Uruguay, where he is from, that it does here. The word is offensive, but rather than rightly consign it to history, it is kept alive by the likes of MTV, and is seen to be used extensively by black people amongst themselves, yet if a white person were to use it, all hell would break loose. Until such time that everyone reads from the same page, this problem will never go away.
:thumbup:
Double standards, with large helping of, don't do as I do, thrown in for good measure I feel
Quote by Ben_Minx
.......then it will never go away. until black and white are treeted the same within the law, and they are cleerly not, this problem will exist for white peeple.
Can you provide any examples of this astonishing assertion?
i have alredy asked in here are there any cases of a black man being charged or convicted of being racially offensive to a white person.
YOU do the homework
i have not seen a single example yet trhere are plenty of examples of whites being charged. so my question is simple. can you be racist if you are black? i beleeve not.
so the law is not equal is it?
There are none so blind as those that cannot see.
You carry on with the heartfelt unsubstantiated rants and I will occasionally challenge them.
You may wish to note that a huge proportion of victims of racially motivated crimes consider themselves to be white. I can find no evidence that such complaints are treated less seriously by the police.
You carry on with the heartfelt unsubstantiated rants and I will occasionally challenge them.
You may wish to note that a huge proportion of victims of racially motivated crimes consider themselves to be white. I can find no evidence that such complaints are treated less seriously by the police.
It is not about wether the law is equal, it is not about what wether a person is racist to a white person, it is about one person ebing racist towards another and by his own admission he was, end of.
If you want to campaign about the law, change the world that is a good thing but until then the law is the law, I have to admit that I cannot remember the last time I heard a black man call someone whitey or honky, they seem to have got the idea regarding racism.
However you ask for a case where a black person was charged with racist comments to a white person, fair enough but I ask you to give me a case where a black person was found to be being racist, I haven't heard any footballer or anyone else accuse someone of calling them a honky or whitey but would be interested to hear about such an accusation.
If you want to campaign about the law, change the world that is a good thing but until then the law is the law, I have to admit that I cannot remember the last time I heard a black man call someone whitey or honky, they seem to have got the idea regarding racism.
However you ask for a case where a black person was charged with racist comments to a white person, fair enough but I ask you to give me a case where a black person was found to be being racist, I haven't heard any footballer or anyone else accuse someone of calling them a honky or whitey but would be interested to hear about such an accusation.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
.......then it will never go away. until black and white are treeted the same within the law, and they are cleerly not, this problem will exist for white peeple.
Can you provide any examples of this astonishing assertion?
i have alredy asked in here are there any cases of a black man being charged or convicted of being racially offensive to a white person.
YOU do the homework
i have not seen a single example yet trhere are plenty of examples of whites being charged. so my question is simple. can you be racist if you are black? i beleeve not.
so the law is not equal is it?
When I was much younger, I was once told by a Turkish person to "Fuck off white boy" I was not bothered and never complained
I was drunk and had been a pest Quote by MidsCouple24
This whole fucking thing has got out of hand.
Bang their bleeding heads together, tell them to grow up and act like adults.
Just goes to prove that footballers are a load of fairies - over paid, over rated and over sexed ones at that.
So is that the policy you would like to see for all racist (abuse) crime ? someone should bang thier heads together and tell them to grow up, or are you just singling out footballers for that treatment and possibly because you don't like them ?
I don't like footballers, true.
However I hate liberalism even more.
FFS, I don't even know if I'm allowed to call people of a certain race 'coloured' any more without risking being banged up!
Quote by essex34m
The offensive word used by Suarez is 'negrito' and is said to not have the nasty racist tone in Uruguay, where he is from, that it does here. The word is offensive, but rather than rightly consign it to history, it is kept alive by the likes of MTV, and is seen to be used extensively by black people amongst themselves, yet if a white person were to use it, all hell would break loose. Until such time that everyone reads from the same page, this problem will never go away.
I remember the last time I watched the film 'dambusters'. The Squadron Leader had a dog called ' ' (it was a black labrador) and the name of the dog was dubbed out by the BBC because it might cause widespread offence!
Oh, please. It has gone too far.
Quote by GnV
The offensive word used by Suarez is 'negrito' and is said to not have the nasty racist tone in Uruguay, where he is from, that it does here. The word is offensive, but rather than rightly consign it to history, it is kept alive by the likes of MTV, and is seen to be used extensively by black people amongst themselves, yet if a white person were to use it, all hell would break loose. Until such time that everyone reads from the same page, this problem will never go away.
I remember the last time I watched the film 'dambusters'. The Squadron Leader had a dog called ' ' (it was a black labrador) and this was dubbed out by the BBC because it might cause widespread offence!
Oh, please. It has gone too far.
Totally agree with you. As distasteful as the word is, that dog (and therefore it's name has historical context.
Sex God
The problem for me with racism, is that it can be used as a weapon, as has been mentioned above, re the word . Even the word racism is often used against some one to stop them expressing what might be legitimate views.
I am often called names, county bumpkin, and country yokel and many more, I am not offended. often it is meant jokingly and said warmly. But how can one be sure? I have Irish Friends nicknamed Paddy, welsh ones called Taffy, none are offended. I new Taffy 2 years before I learnt his real name.
Some times the line in the sand is very blurry
I am often called names, county bumpkin, and country yokel and many more, I am not offended. often it is meant jokingly and said warmly. But how can one be sure? I have Irish Friends nicknamed Paddy, welsh ones called Taffy, none are offended. I new Taffy 2 years before I learnt his real name.
Some times the line in the sand is very blurry
Sex God
Quote by GnV
This whole fucking thing has got out of hand.
Bang their bleeding heads together, tell them to grow up and act like adults.
Just goes to prove that footballers are a load of fairies - over paid, over rated and over sexed ones at that.
So is that the policy you would like to see for all racist (abuse) crime ? someone should bang thier heads together and tell them to grow up, or are you just singling out footballers for that treatment and possibly because you don't like them ?
I don't like footballers, true.
However I hate liberalism even more.
FFS, I don't even know if I'm allowed to call people of a certain race 'coloured' any more without risking being banged up!
Surely, every person upon this planet is colored?
Gnv, as a man who is abroad, what would our European cousins have to say about all this?
Do you ever feel that you are treated in a racist manner?
Quote by Ben_Minx
There are none so blind as those that cannot see.
i am not blind i only see what is there for all to see
Quote by Ben_Minx
You carry on with the heartfelt unsubstantiated rants and I will occasionally challenge them.
i think it is your good self that has failed to answer a single question i have asked except to go into a rant all of your own
Quote by Ben_Minx
You may wish to note that a huge proportion of victims of racially motivated crimes consider themselves to be white. I can find no evidence that such complaints are treated less seriously by the police.
i shall refer you to your own answer above " there are none so blind as those that cannot see " :doh:
Sex God
I had one of these as a toy/teddybear as a child, bet they dont sell many now
""In a statement reported by the BBC, Virginia (Ginny) C. Knox, previously brand director for Robertson's and later Chief Operating Officer of the Culinary Brands Division of RHM, told The Herald Newspaper in Scotland in 2001 that the decision to remove the Golliwogg symbol from Robertson's jam and marmalade jars was taken after research found that children were not familiar with the character, although it still appealed to the older generations."
And you can still buy the dolls. I gave my daughter one a couple of years ago as a Xmas present. As I anticipated it sparked her outrage but prompted a welcome debate.
And you can still buy the dolls. I gave my daughter one a couple of years ago as a Xmas present. As I anticipated it sparked her outrage but prompted a welcome debate.
