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I feel this is a backward step, wondered what other here thought
Swearing at police is not a crime, judge rules
The decision by the Court of Appeal to overturn the public order conviction of a young suspect who repeatedly said the "F" word while being searched for drugs was last night condemned as "unacceptable".
Policing unions said the ruling would undermine respect for officers.
Overturning Denzel Cassius Harvey's conviction, Mr Justice Bean said officers were so regularly on the receiving end of the "rather commonplace" expletive that it was unlikely to cause them "harassment, alarm or distress".
Mr Harvey appealed against his conviction after he was fined £50 for bombarding police with foul language when they attempted to search him for drugs

Basically, the Judge is telling the Police that they charged him with the wrong crime.
They should have gone for a public order offence.
my view on the offensive words are that we all can swear as part of conversation especially when stressed or upset but to bombard in an aggressive manor is wrong, and i believe that if the odd swear word escapes our lips at a time of stress then these should be overlooked but when every other word is 'f' this and 'f' that then this is unacceptable
If it was me that was charged for saying Fuck, i'd be looking at a counter charge of racial discrimination, its a good old anglo saxon word with numeous uses ;-)
Aggression: Don’t fuck with me.
Amazement: Infuckingcredible!
Assurance: Absofuckinglutely.
Difficulty: I'm having a fuck of a time with this.
Disagreement: Fuck you!
Dismay: Fuck it.
Dismissal: Fuck off.
Fraud: I got fucked on that deal.
Incompetence: What a fuckup.
Inquiry: What the fuck?
Pleasure: Fanfuckingtastic!
Satisfaction: Fucking "A" man!
Trouble: Now I'm fucked
Nowt wrong with it, we've just been conditioned to find it offensive by a miserable bunch of cunts lol
Saying (to another person) "you are a fucking wanker", "fuck off" or other such things IS and should remain a crime. That is being abusive and threatening and is intended to be.
It is an offence under Section 5 of the Public Order Act (I watch too many shows like Night Cops).
Swearing in every sentence as a 'normal' part of conversation is
a) moronic
b) chavish
c) deeply unpleasant to hear
d) evidence of a sad lack of vocabulary
e) ditto consideration for others.
All in all - just what you would expect from people who are badly brought up. Which is only not their fault until they reach adulthood - they are then responsible for their own behaviour and can't blame Mummy and Daddy for their choices or potty mouth. It shouldn't be tolerated in schools or the work place (I know it isn't in mine).
So how do we treat police officers who swear at the public ?? ... I've heard it more than once
It's only language ... swear at me all you want, I don't feel threatened until the stabbing starts.
As for the use of profanity displaying a paucity of vocabulary ... every swear word I use that you wont is one more word in my vocabulary that you don't have access to
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So how do we treat police officers who swear at the public ?? ... I've heard it more than once
It's only language ... swear at me all you want, I don't feel threatened until the stabbing starts.
As for the use of profanity displaying a paucity of vocabulary ... every swear word I use that you wont is one more word in my vocabulary that you don't have access to

It's the thoughtless, automatic, unthinking, continuous use that is objectionable. Believe me, I doubt you say ANY word that I have not used at some time - deliberately.
Swearing can be useful, it adds a level of content that can have meaning - until it is so overused it becomes meaningless.
Those fucking people who fucking well say 'fuck' in every fucking sentence are exactly those fucking people who have limited fucking vocab (I doubt they would ever use the word 'vocabulary'). And anyone who isn't irritated by having to read through that lot - or listen through it spoken - must be deaf to foul language, I assume by over exposure themeselves. It is unecessary and ugly. On it's own it would stop me wanting a meet with someone.
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Saying (to another person) "you are a fucking wanker", "fuck off" or other such things IS and should remain a crime. That is being abusive and threatening and is intended to be

Surely its not what you say its how you say it and to who you say it to? dunno
I have a couple of friends who greet each other with 'hello pigfucker!' one of them is muslim but theres no offence intended or taken either way.
Individual words are only offensive due to conditioning- often passed on without examining why its considered offensive. I personally find organised religion, screaming children, x-factor, jeremy kyle and the music of Queen offensive- wheres my legal protection against being offended? wink
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So how do we treat police officers who swear at the public ?? ... I've heard it more than once
It's only language ... swear at me all you want, I don't feel threatened until the stabbing starts.
As for the use of profanity displaying a paucity of vocabulary ... every swear word I use that you wont is one more word in my vocabulary that you don't have access to

It's the thoughtless, automatic, unthinking, continuous use that is objectionable. Believe me, I doubt you say ANY word that I have not used at some time - deliberately.
Swearing can be useful, it adds a level of content that can have meaning - until it is so overused it becomes meaningless.
Those fucking people who fucking well say 'fuck' in every fucking sentence are exactly those fucking people who have limited fucking vocab (I doubt they would ever use the word 'vocabulary'). And anyone who isn't irritated by having to read through that lot - or listen through it spoken - must be deaf to foul language, I assume by over exposure themeselves. It is unecessary and ugly. On it's own it would stop me wanting a meet with someone.
Where I live and where I work the word fuck is nothing but a pause for thought no different to saying er ... you may find it ugly or unnecessary I hardly notice it and certainly never give it a second thought ... If you want to hear swearing at it's best, most poetic and inventive I suggest you look for the collected quotes of Malcolm Tucker
My favourite sentence ever ..... 'the fucking fucker fucking fucked it' used quite naturally and without thought by a man I used to work with ,it was poetry then and it still fucking is
The word fuck .... all things to all people,now that's true linguistic versatility
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I personally find organised religion, screaming children, x-factor, jeremy kyle and the music of Queen offensive- wheres my legal protection against being offended? wink

Seconded on all counts
I hardly ever heard my Father swear and I never heard my mother or Grandparents swear. I never swore in front of my parents, ever!
The only time I can remember my Father swearing was while working on old vehicles and struggling to undo a nut and bolt or some thing along those lines he would often say it was "as tight as buggery", of coarse I had no idea just how funny, and rude that was until I was much older
I am not overly bothered by swearing, but do strongly feel it must be in its place, if I was in company that I felt could or would be offended by bad language then I would avoid it at all cost's. I would not swear in front of a customer for instance. I would avoid searing in front of some one I had just met until I new them well enough to know their reaction.
I feel its just common courtesy, it is the way I was brought up, and the way I have raised my family also.
If you are a group of men/women in a working environment where no customers can be upset then I see no problem.
Words that are used to abuse another person, whether they are swear words or threats, then that person should be dealt with appropriately in my view
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So how do we treat police officers who swear at the public ?? ... I've heard it more than once
It's only language ... swear at me all you want, I don't feel threatened until the stabbing starts.
As for the use of profanity displaying a paucity of vocabulary ... every swear word I use that you wont is one more word in my vocabulary that you don't have access to

fuck off you moronic wanker.
who cares a fucking shit what you think you drunkard shite of a mother fucker whore.
bolt
will that do?
Quote by Bluefish2009
I hardly ever heard my Father swear and I never heard my mother or Grandparents swear. I never swore in front of my parents, ever!
The only time I can remember my Father swearing was while working on old vehicles and struggling to undo a nut and bolt or some thing along those lines he would often say it was "as tight as buggery", of coarse I had no idea just how funny, and rude that was until I was much older

The worst I ever heard my mother say was 'damn'. Never heard my father say anything untoward.
I was in my office once, many years later, and heard my FIL say the 'f' word. There was only he and me there. He was beside himself after he let it slip. That was the one and only occasion I ever head him swear. He was a true gentleman. V never heard him swear at all.
I never, ever heard my MIL swear (although she might have thought it a few times!)
On the other hand, I am a real officiando when it comes to the use of anglo-saxon expressions but I mainly use them in context.
Quote by GnV
I hardly ever heard my Father swear and I never heard my mother or Grandparents swear. I never swore in front of my parents, ever!
The only time I can remember my Father swearing was while working on old vehicles and struggling to undo a nut and bolt or some thing along those lines he would often say it was "as tight as buggery", of coarse I had no idea just how funny, and rude that was until I was much older

The worst I ever heard my mother say was 'damn'. Never heard my father say anything untoward.
I was in my office once, many years later, and heard my FIL say the 'f' word. There was only he and me there. He was beside himself after he let it slip. That was the one and only occasion I ever head him swear. He was a true gentleman. V never heard him swear at all.
I never, ever heard my MIL swear (although she might have thought it a few times!)
On the other hand, I am a real officiando when it comes to the use of anglo-saxon expressions but I mainly use them in context.
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"The ruling comes after police chiefs were accused earlier this year of surrendering to foul-mouthed louts by banning officers from arresting yobs who taunt them with swear words and offensive language.
Guidance issued by the Metropolitan Police – Britain’s largest constabulary with more than 32,000 officers – told front-line police not to act because the courts will not believe they have been upset by the abuse. "
I am with the purists on this one and agree with many of the statements above especially those of foxylady. I am "old school", my parents did not swear at all and I try not to swear in general conversation, but I do think it adds content to jokes and do use it when Man City score etc.
We have to accept that it is part of the 21st Century but that does not mean it is right and a good reflection of what our children have become, which for many is disrespectfull.
i have herd some things in my life but whatever next?
we shall have a school headmaster telling his pupils to fuck off if they piss him off. or your local tax officer telling you to fuck off if you have a tax problem etc.loon
what is wrong with the peeple who think this is ok? my father always used to say that two wrongs do not make a right, so a copper swears at you then why is it then ok to swear back? in my experience the police officer is usually tested by some foul mouthed person,but still two wrongs do not make a right.
surely there are still things out there that are unaceptable? probably not to some peeple, who think anything is now fair game.
no wonder children are now void of any fear or boundaries when they see adults act this way. the police always used to command respect like a doctor or teecher did. but we know how teechers are treated by a huge ammount of children. doctors and nurses in hospitals get assaulted regularly.
what is wrong with peeple who feel that telling a police officer to fuck is an ok thing to do? do those same peeple think it would be ok to go into there childs school and tell a teecher to fuck off? i bet these kinds of peeple would indeed, and they would be the same peeple whose kids are the worst offenders out there anyway, as they will have no boundaries instilled onto them as children. shameful and where next?
i struggle sometimes with peeples perceptions of what they think is acceptable, i hope that one of these peeple were to tell a police officer to fuck off, and that police officer then givers them a very hard kick in there goolies.:thumbup:
BOLLOCKS
And before you get all hot under the collar look at the court ruling on the sex pistols album never mind the bollocks....language changes, it's use changes...we are no longer victorians
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BOLLOCKS
And before you get all hot under the collar look at the court ruling on the sex pistols album never mind the bollocks....language changes, it's use changes...we are no longer victorians

nothing to do with having victorian issues but purely about what most peeple find offensive.
obviusly peeple swear at you a lot and to be honest i can understand why, but for most peeple to have someone to tell you to fuck off they would find offensive.
a complete lack of vocabulary of which many peeple only have selective words in theres !
maybe you need to change the enviroment you find yourself in, obviusly does not suit you as you are to used to peeple being horrid to you.
you talk about changes but maybe it is peeple like yourself who should change, possibly for the better.:notes:
and for the record many peeple like myself found the sex pistols a bunch of horrid nasty non talented peeple, who also enjoyed peeple spitting on them. i am glad you used them as an example of your point, as they were just useless talentless peeple with no talent and no morals my friend. your example sums it all up perfectly. thanks :thumbup:
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nothing to do with having victorian (the word you're looking for is values) issues but purely about what most peeple find offensive.
obviusly peeple swear at you a lot and to be honest i can understand why, but for most peeple to have someone to tell you to fuck off they would find offensive.(for most people to have someone tell THEM to...)
a complete lack of vocabulary of which many peeple only have selective words in theres !(what is this ?? all people only have a selection of words in their vocabulary...the number of words would be the size of said vocabulary .... your statement is meaningless and therefore redundant...please edit before posting)
maybe you need to change the enviroment you find yourself in, obviusly does not suit you as you are to used to peeple being horrid to you.(strangely the only place people are 'horrid'(you mean horrible by the way) to me is here )
you talk about changes but maybe it is peeple like yourself who should change, possibly for the better.:notes:
and for the record many peeple like myself found the sex pistols a bunch of horrid nasty non talented peeple, who also enjoyed peeple spitting on them. i am glad you used them as an example of your point, as they were just useless talentless peeple with no talent (the no talent is redundant ...you've already told us that by saying that they're talentless) and no morals my friend. your example sums it all up perfectly. thanks :thumbup:
And still we fail to recognise any irony..... on a page where one of the banners reads 'dogging' we feel it appropriate to lecture on what is and isn't morally acceptable....the thing is it isn't up to you or me to decide what is or isn't acceptable,morality is a personal issue.
Well done to all those parents who brought up all you good little boys and girls not to use foul language .... how many of them I wonder also intended for you to be on a web site looking for experimental sex with multiple partners .....like I said morality is a personal issue.
I am impressed by the awe inspiring lack of self awareness displayed in this thread ...well done to you all,perhaps you should all buy mirrors and take a good long hard look ... there is an old saying (from some book or other) 'judge not lest ye be judged '
What would happen if the swearing was at the Judge, in the Court room?
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What would happen if the swearing was at the Judge, in the Court room?

You can call the Judge what you like; it's contempt of Court which will find you in the cells.
I know, I know... same meat, different gravy :lol2:
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(the word you're looking for is values

er no. i would presume that the victorians had all of these. so they had issues as well as values.
a. A point or matter of discussion, debate, or dispute: legal and moral issues.
b. A matter of public concern: debated economic issues.
c. A misgiving, objection, or complaint !!
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(for most people to have someone tell THEM to...)

I already said most and maybe not all. i would think that most peeple except you of course it seams, would be offended if someone told them to fuck off. but then again we all know you would not be offended as how could you possibly be when you use the " cunt " word as often as you do, and aimed at peeple like the pope who most peeple would/did find that offensive. see mr staggers some peeple do not have any morals at all or values or issues.:notes: but the vast majority do have all of those. have a look at this and it may well help you at some point in your future.

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(what is this ?? all people only have a selection of words in their vocabulary...the number of words would be the size of said vocabulary .... your statement is meaningless and therefore redundant...please edit before posting)

is that reely the best you can do when you have nothing of any worth to say in a debate?
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(strangely the only place people are 'horrid'(you mean horrible by the way) to me is here )

only here mr staggers? i would think that most peeple here would find that one very very hard to beleeve. maybe you dont go out that often then? :grin:
er no i mean horrid. ( Adjective: "Causing horror. Very unpleasant or disagreeable" ). or Synonyms: " dreadful - terrible - horrible - frightful - awful ". funny how the word horrid has many meaning but coming from someone who sees nothing wrong in telling a police officer to fuck off, i do not expect for a second for you to have grasped the english vocabulary as of yet.
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(the no talent is redundant ...you've already told us that by saying that they're talentless)

sorry you need to be a bit more cleerer in what you write my friend as i am sure peeple are finding your replies void of any sense.:thumbup:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And still we fail to recognise any irony..... on a page where one of the banners reads 'dogging' we feel it appropriate to lecture on what is and isn't morally acceptable....the thing is it isn't up to you or me to decide what is or isn't acceptable,morality is a personal issue.
Well done to all those parents who brought up all you good little boys and girls not to use foul language .... how many of them I wonder also intended for you to be on a web site looking for experimental sex with multiple partners .....like I said morality is a personal issue.
I am impressed by the awe inspiring lack of self awareness displayed in this thread ...well done to you all,perhaps you should all buy mirrors and take a good long hard look ... there is an old saying (from some book or other) 'judge not lest ye be judged '

your rambling incoherently mr stagggers. and yes i do meen that word. which meens "Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner".
you obviusly have very few morals and i would presume that you would find no problem in telling a head teecher to fuck off if heavens forbid he told one of your kids off, if you have any and if not then would find it ok for other parents to tell a teecher to fuck off. or what about your gp? is that acceptable as well?
what being on here has got to do with anything is just yet another of your incoherent ramblings, and yet more point scoring. sorry no points for you today mr staggers as you have made yourself look a bit of a chump!!
and yes before you come back and again make yourself look foolish as usual, i did meen chump. " Someone who does not understand the basics of life on earth. Confused easily ". there you go saves you looking it up my friend.
:thumbup::notes:
morality and boundaries and being taught right from wrong by your elders, is usually what most peeple live there lives by and how they bring there children those guidelines are becoming more rarer by the month hence why swearing at a police officer is just the start and soon peeple like those on here will have us beleeve that striking a police officer is fare game as well as they are a target. to many demonstrations where bash the copper is the number one game some peeple have twisted values.
When I was first employed in a factory producing tyres I quickly discovered that if I asked for a spanner it was less effective than asking for a fucking spanner.
Later when I worked in the same factory as my father I discovered that he had two vocabularies, the work one was extremely expletive heavy.
Now to go back to the point of the thread, I think its fair to say that the likliehood of a copper being offended or even mildy anythinged by the use of foul language is tiny. That said maybe we need a new law that reflects societies unwillingness to accept the treatment of its law enforcers in such a way by a tiny vocal minority.
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out. Coppers dont have that choice so mebbe they need some protection?
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When I was first employed in a factory producing tyres I quickly discovered that if I asked for a spanner it was less effective than asking for a fucking spanner.
Later when I worked in the same factory as my father I discovered that he had two vocabularies, the work one was extremely expletive heavy.
Now to go back to the point of the thread, I think its fair to say that the likliehood of a copper being offended or even mildy anythinged by the use of foul language is tiny. That said maybe we need a new law that reflects societies unwillingness to accept the treatment of its law enforcers in such a way by a tiny vocal minority.
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out. Coppers dont have that choice so mebbe they need some protection?

I think your right Ben ,everybody should be afforded protection from verbal abuse
Quote by Bluefish2009
When I was first employed in a factory producing tyres I quickly discovered that if I asked for a spanner it was less effective than asking for a fucking spanner.
Later when I worked in the same factory as my father I discovered that he had two vocabularies, the work one was extremely expletive heavy.
Now to go back to the point of the thread, I think its fair to say that the likliehood of a copper being offended or even mildy anythinged by the use of foul language is tiny. That said maybe we need a new law that reflects societies unwillingness to accept the treatment of its law enforcers in such a way by a tiny vocal minority.
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out. Coppers dont have that choice so mebbe they need some protection?

I think your right Ben ,everybody should be afforded protection from verbal abuse
Verbal abuse is not the same as use of the word fuck ....everyone has the right to be protected from any kind of single out certain words as in and of themselves abusive is nonsense
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(the word you're looking for is values

er no. i would presume that the victorians had all of these. so they had issues as well as values.
a. A point or matter of discussion, debate, or dispute: legal and moral issues.
b. A matter of public concern: debated economic issues.
c. A misgiving, objection, or complaint !!
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(for most people to have someone tell THEM to...)

I already said most and maybe not all. i would think that most peeple except you of course it seams, would be offended if someone told them to fuck off. but then again we all know you would not be offended as how could you possibly be when you use the " cunt " word as often as you do, and aimed at peeple like the pope who most peeple would/did find that offensive. see mr staggers some peeple do not have any morals at all or values or issues.:notes: but the vast majority do have all of those. have a look at this and it may well help you at some point in your future.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(what is this ?? all people only have a selection of words in their vocabulary...the number of words would be the size of said vocabulary .... your statement is meaningless and therefore redundant...please edit before posting)

is that reely the best you can do when you have nothing of any worth to say in a debate?
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(strangely the only place people are 'horrid'(you mean horrible by the way) to me is here )

only here mr staggers? i would think that most peeple here would find that one very very hard to beleeve. maybe you dont go out that often then? :grin:
er no i mean horrid. ( Adjective: "Causing horror. Very unpleasant or disagreeable" ). or Synonyms: " dreadful - terrible - horrible - frightful - awful ". funny how the word horrid has many meaning but coming from someone who sees nothing wrong in telling a police officer to fuck off, i do not expect for a second for you to have grasped the english vocabulary as of yet.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(the no talent is redundant ...you've already told us that by saying that they're talentless)

sorry you need to be a bit more cleerer in what you write my friend as i am sure peeple are finding your replies void of any sense.:thumbup:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And still we fail to recognise any irony..... on a page where one of the banners reads 'dogging' we feel it appropriate to lecture on what is and isn't morally acceptable....the thing is it isn't up to you or me to decide what is or isn't acceptable,morality is a personal issue.
Well done to all those parents who brought up all you good little boys and girls not to use foul language .... how many of them I wonder also intended for you to be on a web site looking for experimental sex with multiple partners .....like I said morality is a personal issue.
I am impressed by the awe inspiring lack of self awareness displayed in this thread ...well done to you all,perhaps you should all buy mirrors and take a good long hard look ... there is an old saying (from some book or other) 'judge not lest ye be judged '

your rambling incoherently mr stagggers. and yes i do meen that word. which meens "Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner".
you obviusly have very few morals and i would presume that you would find no problem in telling a head teecher to fuck off if heavens forbid he told one of your kids off, if you have any and if not then would find it ok for other parents to tell a teecher to fuck off. or what about your gp? is that acceptable as well?
what being on here has got to do with anything is just yet another of your incoherent ramblings, and yet more point scoring. sorry no points for you today mr staggers as you have made yourself look a bit of a chump!!
and yes before you come back and again make yourself look foolish as usual, i did meen chump. " Someone who does not understand the basics of life on earth. Confused easily ". there you go saves you looking it up my friend.
:thumbup::notes:
morality and boundaries and being taught right from wrong by your elders, is usually what most peeple live there lives by and how they bring there children those guidelines are becoming more rarer by the month hence why swearing at a police officer is just the start and soon peeple like those on here will have us beleeve that striking a police officer is fare game as well as they are a target. to many demonstrations where bash the copper is the number one game some peeple have twisted values.
I would, but I really can't be bothered to sort through your inarticulate dross in order to extract some meaning,I'll leave you to someone else .... if anyone cares to translate the above please feel free to keep it to yourself ,I'm not interested
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I would, but I really can't be bothered to sort through your inarticulate dross in order to extract some meaning,I'll leave you to someone else .... if anyone cares to translate the above please feel free to keep it to yourself ,I'm not interested

down the pub it is then.
rotflmao
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Verbal abuse is not the same as use of the word fuck ....everyone has the right to be protected from any kind of single out certain words as in and of themselves abusive is nonsense

Quite.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
When I was first employed in a factory producing tyres I quickly discovered that if I asked for a spanner it was less effective than asking for a fucking spanner.
Later when I worked in the same factory as my father I discovered that he had two vocabularies, the work one was extremely expletive heavy.
Now to go back to the point of the thread, I think its fair to say that the likliehood of a copper being offended or even mildy anythinged by the use of foul language is tiny. That said maybe we need a new law that reflects societies unwillingness to accept the treatment of its law enforcers in such a way by a tiny vocal minority.
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out. Coppers dont have that choice so mebbe they need some protection?

I think your right Ben ,everybody should be afforded protection from verbal abuse
Verbal abuse is not the same as use of the word fuck....everyone has the right to be protected from any kind of single out certain words as in and of themselves abusive is nonsense
If some one is using the word fuck at a police officer, he is not doing so for fun or a laugh, he is doing so to abuse him...... IMHO
Logically you are of course quite correct regarding the singling out of words, but so many people will disagree with your viewpoint.
For instance the word, " ", is only a word, short for some one from Nigeria, why single that one out? But many people would be offended if called that name, Just as many would be offended if called a "bastard". I think it best to except that some words are offensive to some, and avoid them in mixed company.