Another controversial subject you are either going to love or hate.
I don't get it.
Why do the McCann's feel that writing to the PM over the head of the Home Secretary, Teresa May is going to make any difference - particularly when they publish their letter in the popular press?
The UK Government has no jurisdiction in this matter. Perhaps Cameron, like his Home Secretary, will make sympathetic noises but the plain fact is that these two idiots went out one evening, abandoning their (then) very young children whilst they went out on the piss with their friends in Portugal.
Why should anyone have any sympathy with them?
In my opinion, the only mistake the Portuguese authorities made was not to prosecute them immediately for child abandonment.
They didn't, and I think they are now regretting it.
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Another controversial subject you are either going to love or hate.
I don't get it.
Why do the McCann's feel that writing to the PM over the head of the Home Secretary, Teresa May is going to make any difference - particularly when they publish their letter in the popular press?
The UK Government has no jurisdiction in this matter. Perhaps Cameron, like his Home Secretary, will make sympathetic noises but the plain fact is that these two idiots went out one evening, abandoning their (then) very young children whilst they went out on the piss with their friends in Portugal.
Why should anyone have any sympathy with them?
In my opinion, the only mistake the Portuguese authorities made was not to prosecute them immediately for child abandonment.
They didn't, and I think they are now regretting it.
I agree 100% with your sentiment.
They neglected their children, and a poor innocent child paid the price.
I would have jailed them both, the minute they got back to the UK.
Sex God
I agree.
To be honest, while I know nothing of their home circumstances, I fear for the twins. Maybe the parents are able to separate the search for one child from the upbringing of the remaining children. But somehow I doubt it. And the more energy they direct at one the less they have for the other.
They were unusual and unfortunate to lose a child left in a holiday hotel/flat/apartment. I'm sure thousands of other parents have left 2 and 4 year-olds in exactly the same way. But that doesn't make it right. The Mcanns got caught out, impossibly hard to lose a child. But they share a large portion of the blame.
To be honest, while I know nothing of their home circumstances, I fear for the twins. Maybe the parents are able to separate the search for one child from the upbringing of the remaining children. But somehow I doubt it. And the more energy they direct at one the less they have for the other.
They were unusual and unfortunate to lose a child left in a holiday hotel/flat/apartment. I'm sure thousands of other parents have left 2 and 4 year-olds in exactly the same way. But that doesn't make it right. The Mcanns got caught out, impossibly hard to lose a child. But they share a large portion of the blame.
Sex God
IMO
If they hadn't left the child / children alone that night as they went out to dinner, and left the kids with no babysitter, none of this would of happened.
If they hadn't left the child / children alone that night as they went out to dinner, and left the kids with no babysitter, none of this would of happened.
Sex God
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And the more energy they direct at one the less they have for the other.
Probably doesn't take as much time as you think as i believe they're related to the owner of one of the country's top PR and publicity firms
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And the more energy they direct at one the less they have for the other.
Probably doesn't take as much time as you think as i believe they're related to the owner of one of the country's top PR and publicity firms
You mean it wasn't really them that met the pope ? or the media ? or spent how much time doing press interviews ?
Wonder if they left the other kids at home alone ?
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Another controversial subject you are either going to love or hate.
I don't get it.
Why do the McCann's feel that writing to the PM over the head of the Home Secretary, Teresa May is going to make any difference - particularly when they publish their letter in the popular press?
They don't imagine it will make a difference at all GnV? That's not what it's about? Simple fact is they know that it makes good copy, and allows for yet another headline the rest of the national press will pick up and re-package for public consumption given their money-making deal with their publishers and the Super Soaraway Sun ((( Not gone down well in Liverpool apparently, that one?
))) re: serialisation of their book, all extracts and / or images of their daughter, etc reproduced elsewhere copyright of, and licenced for use by the McCanns! I can understand the mercenariness of the whole thing, given that they are trying to fund an ongoing search for their daughter, ((( No, I do not give credence to suggestions that they know where the bodies are buried at all. ))) but no, I have little sympathy for them. Their one saving grace would be that I suspect they find the whole tawdry thing as distasteful as we do?
N x x x ;)
We were on hols in portimio last week ,the fourth anniversary of the abduction.
Nothing mentioned in the press, no posters in the hotel, airport or surrounding areas, irrespective whether the family are guilty of child neglect, a child is missing, family are greiving and society dont give a damm! :sad::sleeping:
Nothing mentioned in the press, no posters in the hotel, airport or surrounding areas, irrespective whether the family are guilty of child neglect, a child is missing, family are greiving and society dont give a damm! :sad::sleeping:
Sex God
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We were on hols in portimio last week ,the fourth anniversary of the abduction.
Nothing mentioned in the press, no posters in the hotel, airport or surrounding areas
The fact that there isn't any local publicity there on the fourth anniversary would seem to beg a question I'm almost reluctant to raise? Isn't the book / serialisation / etc meant to be a fund-raising awareness exercise? So . . . .
You can see where I'm going with that, can't you? I'm gonna feel sooooo bad in the morning.
irrespective whether the family are guilty of child neglect, a child is missing, family are greiving and society dont give a damm! :sad::sleeping:
Harsh. Clearly society has given a damn, and continues to give a damn about the fact Madeleine is missing, presumed dead by most I think? That doesn't mean the parents are beyond criticism for their actions at the time, and since. Their grief is theirs to bear unfortunately.
N x x x ;)
Well, now it seems Scotland yard have been asked to re-open the case and review the Portuguese evidence.
Under what jurisdiction does Scotland Yard intend to operate with the Portuguese authorities and who the fuck is going to pay for it? The Home Office say they will find the funds...
Meanwhile, another youngster is meaninglessly stabbed to death in South London this week and some top detective (and no doubt members of his/her team) is off on a free holiday to the Algarve at the British Tax payer's expense!!
(images of John Thaw as Jack Reagan and his sidekick sweeping into Praia da Luz, bushing people aside announcing "We're the sweeney son, and we aint had our dinner" comes to mind)
Beggars belief!
Does this mean that the British Government are also now going to help Portugal out with their debt crisis?
Under what jurisdiction does Scotland Yard intend to operate with the Portuguese authorities and who the fuck is going to pay for it? The Home Office say they will find the funds...
Meanwhile, another youngster is meaninglessly stabbed to death in South London this week and some top detective (and no doubt members of his/her team) is off on a free holiday to the Algarve at the British Tax payer's expense!!
(images of John Thaw as Jack Reagan and his sidekick sweeping into Praia da Luz, bushing people aside announcing "We're the sweeney son, and we aint had our dinner" comes to mind)
Beggars belief!
Does this mean that the British Government are also now going to help Portugal out with their debt crisis?
Sex God
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Another controversial subject you are either going to love or hate.
I don't get it.
Why do the McCann's feel that writing to the PM over the head of the Home Secretary, Teresa May is going to make any difference - particularly when they publish their letter in the popular press?
The UK Government has no jurisdiction in this matter. Perhaps Cameron, like his Home Secretary, will make sympathetic noises but the plain fact is that these two idiots went out one evening, abandoning their (then) very young children whilst they went out on the piss with their friends in Portugal.
Why should anyone have any sympathy with them?
In my opinion, the only mistake the Portuguese authorities made was not to prosecute them immediately for child abandonment.
They didn't, and I think they are now regretting it.
Having worked in the holiday industry for many years I can tell you that the behaviour of the McCanns was far from unique. People do things abroad that they would never do at home and that part of the Algarve is famously "safe" - supposedly. A tragedy unfolded with that family but it could have been any of thousands of families who do the same things all over Europe every year. I particularly remember the arrival of battery operated baby monitors and one particular summer on a camp site in the Costa Brava where adults were having late night bbq's and parties whilst children slept in tents and caravans and the baby monitors were lined up on tables as Moms and Dads partied away.
What the McCanns did is not unusual but what happened subsequently obviously was. You have to be a very harsh persion to condemn them for what thousands of families do on holiday - they were just very, very unlucky and I am sure that "what ifs" haunt their sleeping dreamns and their every waking moment.
I hope they can get some closure soon though I doubt it will be good news.
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You have to be a very harsh persion to condemn them for what thousands of families do on holiday - they were just very, very unlucky and I am sure that "what ifs" haunt their sleeping dreamns and their every waking moment.
I hope they can get some closure soon though I doubt it will be good news.
Maybe that's the modern way of life.
We took our son away on holiday but never for one millionth of second ever considered leaving him alone in a hotel room whilst we went out and partied.
When he was old enough, we would leave him with grandparents whilst out and partying. His grandfather regularly took him on holiday with him to Europe and we sent him on properly organised adventure holidays.
For heavens sake, it's only for a few years before you can palm them out on willing relatives if you want to have a "good time". Leaving not just one young child without any sort of care but all three of them shows an astonishing lack of concern. These parents are medical Doctors for god's sake - the sort of people who would have you locked up and your children taken off you for lesser reasons!
I'm not a harsh person at all. I'm a real softy at heart but I cannot find it in my heart to offer them any sympathy at all. The fact that so many others do it on holiday is no excuse whatsoever. They should be setting examples to others, not justifying what others do by their own extremely poor judgement.
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Having worked in the holiday industry for many years I can tell you that the behaviour of the McCanns was far from unique. People do things abroad that they would never do at home and that part of the Algarve is famously "safe" - supposedly. A tragedy unfolded with that family but it could have been any of thousands of families who do the same things all over Europe every year. I particularly remember the arrival of battery operated baby monitors and one particular summer on a camp site in the Costa Brava where adults were having late night bbq's and parties whilst children slept in tents and caravans and the baby monitors were lined up on tables as Moms and Dads partied away.
What the McCanns did is not unusual but what happened subsequently obviously was. You have to be a very harsh persion to condemn them for what thousands of families do on holiday - they were just very, very unlucky and I am sure that "what ifs" haunt their sleeping dreamns and their every waking moment.
I hope they can get some closure soon though I doubt it will be good news.
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a great post. there are many threds around about leaving babies and children in chalets in the 60's and 70's, my parents did what most other parents did at that time and left there kids and told a staff member who put out a call to tell any parents what chalet number a baby was crying in.
times are not the same now as then and of corse some peeple would moan about parents leaving there children alone no matter where or when but that is what peeple did then and it was perfectly normal, unlike the kinds of perves and pedos around today. thankfully this is still a very rare thing to happen.
i find it sad though that peeple can be heartless towards the parents on a fooking swingers site!!! :twisted: :twisted:
yes maybe they made a huge mistake but they have paid the unlimat price for it in the loss of there child. i thought peeple on a swinging site would have been a bit more tolerent but it seems not.
maybe a lttle read of this for some peeple before they judge.
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a great post. there are many threds around about leaving babies and children in chalets in the 60's and 70's, my parents did what most other parents did at that time and left there kids and told a staff member who put out a call to tell any parents what chalet number a baby was crying in.
times are not the same now as then and of corse some peeple would moan about parents leaving there children alone no matter where or when but that is what peeple did then and it was perfectly normal, unlike the kinds of perves and pedos around today. thankfully this is still a very rare thing to happen.
i find it sad though that peeple can be heartless towards the parents on a fooking swingers site!!! :twisted: :twisted:
yes maybe they made a huge mistake but they have paid the unlimat price for it in the loss of there child. i thought peeple on a swinging site would have been a bit more tolerent but it seems not.
maybe a lttle read of this for some peeple before they judge.
No. and No again. Our child (now in his 30's) was a child of that generation you mention. You know my view already.
It's got nothing to do with being a swinger whatsoever. Do you have some knowledge about the McCann's you would like to share?
Heartless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your joking of course, and what the hell has it got to do with being a swinger ffs.
They left 3 kids to go out on the piss.
If you leave children alone, and it goes wrong YOUR to blame 100%.
We used to send kids down the pit, we used to send them to penal colonies.
Guess what ? this is the 2011 and we now know better.
They did know better and chose to ignore it.............................
Your joking of course, and what the hell has it got to do with being a swinger ffs.
They left 3 kids to go out on the piss.
If you leave children alone, and it goes wrong YOUR to blame 100%.
We used to send kids down the pit, we used to send them to penal colonies.
Guess what ? this is the 2011 and we now know better.
They did know better and chose to ignore it.............................
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Harsh. Clearly society has given a damn, and continues to give a damn about the fact Madeleine is missing, presumed dead by most I think?
I have seen more mention of Madeleine's name on Sickipedia than in the general mainstream media. The media will only report stories, if a) it sells papers b) it suits them. You say society gives a damn, but who would ordinarily sell more books, Kate McCann, or Katie Price?
The Sun serialises the book, the headline grabbing parts get published, and before a lot of people would either read or think of reading the book,their opinion is already formed, the jokes continue to be sent by text or email, and very shortly after, the next story is their focus.
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maybe a lttle read of this for some peeple before they judge.
Not at all sure what point your link is supposed to be making
Are you saying that christians advocate leaving children unprotected ?
I know there are precedents in scripture, but honestly ...I`m not sure the "he who is without sin" thing is really relevent when discussing child neglect.
Bang on the money there flower. :thumbup:
There are a number of members of the cloth who can provide relevant personal experience of child neglect... They know a lot about it by all accounts.
Still, 15 hail mary's and it's all forgotten eh
Sex God
Since Madeliene is obviously the only child on the planet that is missing at the moment I think we should all be making far more effort to find her. /endsarcasm.
If it were my daughter, I would be doing everything in my power to find her, including writing to the Prime Minister, keeping it in the public domain and using any connections that I may have.
The McCanns may well be castigated for leaving their children on the night Madeline disappeared but surely they can not be castigated for trying their utmost to find her?
The McCanns may well be castigated for leaving their children on the night Madeline disappeared but surely they can not be castigated for trying their utmost to find her?
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If it were my daughter, I would be doing everything in my power to find her, including writing to the Prime Minister, keeping it in the public domain and using any connections that I may have.
The McCanns may well be castigated for leaving their children on the night Madeline disappeared but surely they can not be castigated for trying their utmost to find her?
But at whose expense?
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If it were my daughter, I would be doing everything in my power to find her, including writing to the Prime Minister, keeping it in the public domain and using any connections that I may have.
The McCanns may well be castigated for leaving their children on the night Madeline disappeared but surely they can not be castigated for trying their utmost to find her?
But at whose expense?
Well it won't be at yours!
Forum Virgin
I have no opinion as to the innocence or guilt of this couple.
The Portugese Police files are on the net.
The book," The Truth of the Lie ", is available, the video of the same name is on the tube as well all over the net.
I have read all the statements and watched the videos of this case and the one thing above all that sticks out is the ,"Evidence ", of
The case stands or falls on what she states she saw or didn't, as the case may be!
The thing that I find interesting is the "Political", sway that is STILL being used to influence this case. The Daily Mail still publishes the Pro-McCan side and although it allows some slightly "Anti" comments any mention of the book, The Truth of the Lie, is not published.
With luck one day the Truth will out!
The Portugese Police files are on the net.
The book," The Truth of the Lie ", is available, the video of the same name is on the tube as well all over the net.
I have read all the statements and watched the videos of this case and the one thing above all that sticks out is the ,"Evidence ", of
The case stands or falls on what she states she saw or didn't, as the case may be!
The thing that I find interesting is the "Political", sway that is STILL being used to influence this case. The Daily Mail still publishes the Pro-McCan side and although it allows some slightly "Anti" comments any mention of the book, The Truth of the Lie, is not published.
With luck one day the Truth will out!
Sex God
Ive been abroad many times since being 6 years old both with my parents and with my own children. In that time we have met lots of other people all with children. Contrary to what has been said above I never met anyone who left kids unattended in hotel room chalet etc ??: I wouldn't think of it! Its not just pedos its fire and gas leaks and floods as well. Thats not without mentioning the kids suddenly getting ill or getting up and falling over, the possibilities are unlikely % wise but endless in reasons why you shouldn't do it. As a parent you need to be there in case something happens, thats your role. If you cant be there then you leave another responsible adult in charge or you dont go out.
Disagreeing with a few things in this thread. What would be the point in imprisoning the parents? I dont see what benefit the public or the parents get from going to prison? After all that is the idea of prison. You could say its setting an example but thats pointless as it does not work. Prison as a deterrent to anything is proven not to work in virtually all circumstances.
??: I wouldn't think of it! Its not just pedos its fire and gas leaks and floods as well. Thats not without mentioning the kids suddenly getting ill or getting up and falling over, the possibilities are unlikely % wise but endless in reasons why you shouldn't do it. As a parent you need to be there in case something happens, thats your role. If you cant be there then you leave another responsible adult in charge or you dont go out. Disagreeing with a few things in this thread. What would be the point in imprisoning the parents? I dont see what benefit the public or the parents get from going to prison? After all that is the idea of prison. You could say its setting an example but thats pointless as it does not work. Prison as a deterrent to anything is proven not to work in virtually all circumstances.
Did they kill the child?
Or did they make a stupid mistake?
I wonder if people think the same of the parents of the Moors Murderers victims or James Bulgers parents or any other family that has had the heartbreak of having their child kidnapped or murdered.
The criminal is the person who takes and kills children. The parents may make a mistake, or could even be construed as criminally negligent. But they are not in the same book as the killers or kidnappers.
The holier than thou brigade have me chuckling. "We never let our kids out of our sight".
Didn't they go to school? Out with their friends to the park? You must think I am daft to believe that.
Dave_Notts
Or did they make a stupid mistake?
I wonder if people think the same of the parents of the Moors Murderers victims or James Bulgers parents or any other family that has had the heartbreak of having their child kidnapped or murdered.
The criminal is the person who takes and kills children. The parents may make a mistake, or could even be construed as criminally negligent. But they are not in the same book as the killers or kidnappers.
The holier than thou brigade have me chuckling. "We never let our kids out of our sight".
Didn't they go to school? Out with their friends to the park? You must think I am daft to believe that.
Dave_Notts
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Did they kill the child?
In my opinion, unsubstantiated of course, yes.
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Or did they make a stupid mistake?
I wonder if people think the same of the parents of the Moors Murderers victims or James Bulgers parents or any other family that has had the heartbreak of having their child kidnapped or murdered.
The criminal is the person who takes and kills children. The parents may make a mistake, or could even be construed as criminally negligent. But they are not in the same book as the killers or kidnappers.
The holier than thou brigade have me chuckling. "We never let our kids out of our sight".
Didn't they go to school? Out with their friends to the park? You must think I am daft to believe that.
Dave_Notts
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Self admission is always best form
Sex God
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Did they kill the child?
Or did they make a stupid mistake?
I wonder if people think the same of the parents of the Moors Murderers victims or James Bulgers parents or any other family that has had the heartbreak of having their child kidnapped or murdered.
The criminal is the person who takes and kills children. The parents may make a mistake, or could even be construed as criminally negligent. But they are not in the same book as the killers or kidnappers.
The holier than thou brigade have me chuckling. "We never let our kids out of our sight".
Didn't they go to school? Out with their friends to the park? You must think I am daft to believe that.
Dave_Notts
Honestly Dave, no they dont. They go to school where they are dropped at the class room door and collected from the same place. My 7 year old does not play in the street or on her own at the park in fact she does not go out of the door without someone going with her. I was out playing in the street by the time I was 5 but back then everyone did. Thats the opposite now pretty much everyone does not. Its very very rare I see kids that are not teens playing in the streets around here and if they are the parents are normally in the front garden working on the car or something similar. I do see a few more when I drive through so called "rougher" estate but its still not as many as would have been there years ago. It would seem that in the area I live its not deemed safe to have your under teen kids playing out without supervision and the same goes for leaving them in the home alone. Dont really understand the school ref TBH Dave
All kids have to go to school unless you have the ability and the financial capacity to home school. We do assume that whilst there they are safe if for one second I thought they were not they wouldn't be going, simple as. As for other parents in similar positions? I seem to remember quite a bit of discussion about Jamie Bulgers mother and that she was not adequately supervising him. I think the difference in that case is his body and the awful things that had happened to it along with the killers emerged and that overshadowed other aspects of the case.
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Did they kill the child?
Or did they make a stupid mistake?
I wonder if people think the same of the parents of the Moors Murderers victims or James Bulgers parents or any other family that has had the heartbreak of having their child kidnapped or murdered.
The criminal is the person who takes and kills children. The parents may make a mistake, or could even be construed as criminally negligent. But they are not in the same book as the killers or kidnappers.
The holier than thou brigade have me chuckling. "We never let our kids out of our sight".
Didn't they go to school? Out with their friends to the park? You must think I am daft to believe that.
Dave_Notts
Must have missed that bit ! Didn`t see anybody say that.
One has to make judgements in life, especially when dealing with the safety of children.
People responsible for looking after young children have to make judgements constantly as to what is right and what is wrong.
Allowing children to cross the road or go into a swimming pool without actually being able to see them are both potentially lethal but they are actions that every parent has to deal with and we all make assessments of the risks and in those cases where it all goes terribly wrong most people will beat themselves up with guilt. But although they might be seen by some as being negligent there may be all sorts of events that led to disaster.
But leaving young children alone in a hotel room in a place that is unfamiliar to you is criminally negligent and you can chuckle as much as you like but it won`t change that !
I must have missed the Mcanns having a right knees up and laughing out loud when the child has gone missing. Over these years the woman on TV in tears was really having a good old laugh that their child has been kidnapped. :thumbup: Thanks for pointing out that I was seeing something different
Dave_Notts
