We didn't know such a law existed. Bang goes our traditional valentines witch hunt now that we know there is a risk of prosecution.
I cant see any problem with asking the court the question. Doesn't cause me or any body else any harm. It's not as if crematoria chimneys are fitted with sanitising devices is it? Live n let live but then ya knew I would say that.
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I am unsure how i feel about this,so am throwing it open to the wise,and not so wise men and women of the forum.!
A man is trying to overturn the ban on open air cremation in this country,so that when he dies he can have a traditional hindu funeral ceremony.
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Interestingly this ban is not an anciect tradition,bit from the early 20th century when a welsh preacher burned his sons body on a hill just outside his local act and the fact he callled his son jesus caused outrage and the law was eh
Im not sure i can see any reason not to allow this ,so long as public health is not threatened.
Am sure in this Liberal Lefty country we now live in, some council or another will ban it.
Still I would not want to breath in the fumes of someone being burnt.
My other other wants to be cast adrift at sea on a floating pyre, and have it ignited by fiery arrows shot from weapons wielded by his friends. I do not want the job of trying to organise that gig- sounds like a red tape nightmare. I do get to fire the first arrow though...although I expect it's only because he knows I'll end up burning my foot. 
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I am unsure how i feel about this,so am throwing it open to the wise,and not so wise men and women of the forum.!
A man is trying to overturn the ban on open air cremation in this country,so that when he dies he can have a traditional hindu funeral ceremony.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^more info here
Interestingly this ban is not an anciect tradition,bit from the early 20th century when a welsh preacher burned his sons body on a hill just outside his local act and the fact he callled his son jesus caused outrage and the law was eh
Im not sure i can see any reason not to allow this ,so long as public health is not threatened.
Am sure in this Liberal Lefty country we now live in, some council or another will ban it.
Still I would not want to breath in the fumes of someone being burnt.
ANd how would you describe the governments that passed the Crematorium acts that banned open air cremation in 1906 (?) and 1930? Was Ramsay MacDonald really a loony lefty? You can get muscle relaxants for those knee jerks of yours you know...
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We didn't know such a law existed. Bang goes our traditional valentines witch hunt now that we know there is a risk of prosecution.
I cant see any problem with asking the court the question. Doesn't cause me or any body else any harm. It's not as if crematoria chimneys are fitted with sanitising devices is it? Live n let live but then ya knew I would say that.
The biggest emissions challenge for crematoria is mercury emissions from fillings and dental appliances - the chimneys have to be fitted with kit to make sure the mercury doesn't get into the atmosphere. The other fun part of crematoria health and safety can be making sure pacemakers and the like have been removed - in extreme cases a doctor can be called in to do a quick extraction if the undertaker hasn't sorted it out.
Quote by Kaznkev
I am unsure how i feel about this,so am throwing it open to the wise,and not so wise men and women of the forum.!
A man is trying to overturn the ban on open air cremation in this country,so that when he dies he can have a traditional hindu funeral ceremony.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^more info here
Interestingly this ban is not an anciect tradition,bit from the early 20th century when a welsh preacher burned his sons body on a hill just outside his local act and the fact he callled his son jesus caused outrage and the law was eh
Im not sure i can see any reason not to allow this ,so long as public health is not threatened.
Ah the lovely William Price. Preacher hardly covers it; he was a complete bampot who was a vegetarian, atheist, naturist and randy old sod. He used to wear his bardic costume complete with fox's head headdress while driving round town in a cart pulled by two goats.
Iesu Grist Price (Jesus Christ Price) in English was his son by his house keeper; he was eighty something, she was sixteen. When Iesu Grist died he built his funeral pyre on a hill and got prosecuted for it. He got off, but I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when he turned up at Glamorgan Assizes in his robes and fox head headdress, with his pregnant again teenage housekeeper at his side.
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My other other wants to be cast adrift at sea on a floating pyre, and have it ignited by fiery arrows shot from weapons wielded by his friends. I do not want the job of trying to organise that gig- sounds like a red tape nightmare. I do get to fire the first arrow though...although I expect it's only because he knows I'll end up burning my foot.
i think he's been watching too many king arthur films lol just make sure you have a healthy aloe vera plant handy for the burnt toes..........
just another thought......
is he planning on dying young? only he's going to have to be pretty close to shore for the oldies to get the arrows to the pyre lol that aloe vera is going to come in handy for more than one!
whips
Well he's past young already...
He'd be cast adrift from a ship (sailor) and has no shortage of people proficient with ye olde weaponry to help out...he's a life-long LARPer, and many of his mates are either LARPers, or work in the film stunt industry...so if there was ever a man who can...
Actually, I may have to come to some arrangement. There could be more deaths if I was let loose with a longbow. Carnage if there was fire involved...I may ask him if I can start proceedings by firing a cannon. Cannon I can do.
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The most obvious answer to this question is that if he wants a traditional Hindu funeral, and the type he wants is illegal here, he should arrange for his remains to he burned in India. Hindus as well as many people of other faiths have lived here for a long time without the need to challenge this particular law, so why this person and why now? This is not a human rights issue, it is merely another case of another individual trying to get his own way contrary to the laws of this land.
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The other fun part of crematoria health and safety can be making sure pacemakers and the like have been removed - in extreme cases a doctor can be called in to do a quick extraction if the undertaker hasn't sorted it out.
The pacemaker could go pop in the oven and damage it but it was the next generation defrib/pacemakers that caused the problems.
The defrib noticed the carriers heart had stopped so started to defrib. The unknowing funeral director got his scalpel ready to extract the pacemaker.........and zappppp!!!!.......funeral director now joins his client in eternal bliss. The Health Department kind of got fed up of the complaining funeral directors association members having untimely deaths so started to issue the wands, that de-activated the defribs, to the funeral directors. So now we have less funeral directors croaking at the hands of their clients.
Dave_Notts
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The other fun part of crematoria health and safety can be making sure pacemakers and the like have been removed - in extreme cases a doctor can be called in to do a quick extraction if the undertaker hasn't sorted it out.
The pacemaker could go pop in the oven and damage it but it was the next generation defrib/pacemakers that caused the problems.
The defrib noticed the carriers heart had stopped so started to defrib. The unknowing funeral director got his scalpel ready to extract the pacemaker.........and zappppp!!!!.......funeral director now joins his client in eternal bliss. The Health Department kind of got fed up of the complaining funeral directors association members having untimely deaths so started to issue the wands, that de-activated the defribs, to the funeral directors. So now we have less funeral directors croaking at the hands of their clients.
Dave_Notts
Wow, who would have thought that funeral director was such a dangerous profession?:shock:
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The most obvious answer to this question is that if he wants a traditional Hindu funeral, and the type he wants is illegal here, he should arrange for his remains to he burned in India. Hindus as well as many people of other faiths have lived here for a long time without the need to challenge this particular law, so why this person and why now? This is not a human rights issue, it is merely another case of another individual trying to get his own way contrary to the laws of this land.
i have a feeling that hindu funerals are meant to tale place very soon after death,presumably this is why he wouldnt want his body shipped to india.I am sure some hindus would prefer to be cremated on the Ganges,as this is a sacred river,
however how is any one harmed by changing this law Bg?
the law is a fluid entity,not a monolith it changes all the time,and whilst awayman has pointed out some reaonable public health considerations,(and made me wonder wat the hell his job is
)i can see no reason for not allowing a small change which accepts the reality of the different cultural/religous traditions in this country.It is such a shame that Christians are not afforded the same tolerances in the world, as we afford to others here eh?
We have means here of disposing of bodies....burials and cremations....that should remain as it is for EVERYONE.
Next we will have someone who wants to keep his Granny in his freezer.
The law is quite clear in this country, and it is afforded to every individual, and I do not see why it should change just because of someones religious beliefs.
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The most obvious answer to this question is that if he wants a traditional Hindu funeral, and the type he wants is illegal here, he should arrange for his remains to he burned in India. Hindus as well as many people of other faiths have lived here for a long time without the need to challenge this particular law, so why this person and why now? This is not a human rights issue, it is merely another case of another individual trying to get his own way contrary to the laws of this land.
i have a feeling that hindu funerals are meant to tale place very soon after death,presumably this is why he wouldnt want his body shipped to india.I am sure some hindus would prefer to be cremated on the Ganges,as this is a sacred river,
however how is any one harmed by changing this law Bg?
the law is a fluid entity,not a monolith it changes all the time,and whilst awayman has pointed out some reaonable public health considerations,(and made me wonder wat the hell his job is
)i can see no reason for not allowing a small change which accepts the reality of the different cultural/religous traditions in this country.It is such a shame that Christians are not afforded the same tolerances in the world, as we afford to others here eh?
We have means here of disposing of bodies....burials and cremations....that should remain as it is for EVERYONE.
Next we will have someone who wants to keep his Granny in his freezer.
The law is quite clear in this country, and it is afforded to every individual, and I do not see why it should change just because of someones religious beliefs.
It was accidental and she was cremated first before I did that
ops: I think he should be allowed to - its his culture yes but enough British people follow or are part of that culture.
What about how we dispose of ashes. All those people who throw ashes in the air at little favourite spots, or leave them in a mound somewhere above ground. One of the National Trust properties are having a problem with families doing the latter in their gardens.
I watched a great programme about a lady who wanted her ashes put in fireworks - it was a great way to be remembered.
I always fancied being charcoaled - where the remains can be seen as an object of art.
What about how we dispose of ashes. All those people who throw ashes in the air at little favourite spots, or leave them in a mound somewhere above ground. One of the National Trust properties are having a problem with families doing the latter in their gardens.
I watched a great programme about a lady who wanted her ashes put in fireworks - it was a great way to be remembered.
I always fancied being charcoaled - where the remains can be seen as an object of art.
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unfortunately it's not an urban myth. there is a guy who lives about six miles from me who had complaints from an asian family to the council about him flying the english flag outside his house during the world cup. the council told him he had to take it down because they found it offencive. the area is well known for not being one of the best and he basically told them to sod off. others may have given in but he didn't even though he was also threated with a fine.
whips
It is an urban myth. Flags being on homes is something to do with the Planning legislation and nothing else.
If anybody says different then they have been sold a yarn..........and believed it.
Currently it is illegal to fly a national flag without permission from a local council – unless it is flown from a vertical flagpole.
So if he flew it off a flagpole then he could have a Union Flag, George Cross, Y Ddraig Goch or Cross of St Andrews. So to say that it was the Asian family complaining is laughable........and you have been taken in I am afraid.
But it looked a good story.......just not true
Dave_Notts
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How can one possibly be "too tolerant"?
well i read what kent wrote as; we take everyone elses wants and try to bend over backwards by giving them what they want. we even do it at the expence of our own culture, beliefs and laws. however, if we go to their country we have to live by their rules and so on. thus we are far too tolerant of others compared to their's for us.
i'm sure kent will correct me if i'm wrong though, but that's how i read it.
whips
No Whips that is exactly what I meant.
Oh yes there is a thing such as being too tolerant.
So being tolerant to the extent of letting people do whatever they like...when they like?
Like having Sharia law here you mean?
We are still a Christian country..with Christian values. That at the moment does not include allowing people to burn bodies wherever or however they like...it is called the LAW.
I am all for tolerance but that tolerance has to extend to EVERYONE and not just minorities, as seems to be the case in oh so lefty Britain.
There HAS to be a line drawn as to what is acceptable, otherwise people will be asking to burn them in their back gardens. Can people not distinguish as to what boundaries are, which btw have feck all to do with tolerance. Tolerance is a word used by some to cover everything, to suit their own needs and wants.
This is Britain that just about has some history and culture left...though only just. It is being eroded by the week. IF this person wants to do this then by all means do it in a country that follows that faith, and that right to how they want to leave this Earth...simples
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unfortunately it's not an urban myth. there is a guy who lives about six miles from me who had complaints from an asian family to the council about him flying the english flag outside his house during the world cup. the council told him he had to take it down because they found it offencive. the area is well known for not being one of the best and he basically told them to sod off. others may have given in but he didn't even though he was also threated with a fine.
whips
It is an urban myth. Flags being on homes is something to do with the Planning legislation and nothing else.
If anybody says different then they have been sold a yarn..........and believed it.
Currently it is illegal to fly a national flag without permission from a local council ? unless it is flown from a vertical flagpole.
So if he flew it off a flagpole then he could have a Union Flag, George Cross, Y Ddraig Goch or Cross of St Andrews. So to say that it was the Asian family complaining is laughable........and you have been taken in I am afraid.
But it looked a good story.......just not true
Dave_Notts
not me as such as it came to me second hand. however there was a big hooar about it as other people were there and some had seen the letter from the council. now whether that was from the planning department i don't know. but the asian family had complained to the guy as well in person. i don't know, maybe he put two and two together with them and the letter but the flag wasn't covering his whole house. what i do know is that it was big talk fo a while.
who knows, doesn't change the other stuff though. like flower said, so long as everyone can do it fine. but th law shouldn't be changed just on one set of religeous grounds only.
whips
I would agree with you..........if it were true, but once again it is an urban myth.
It all stems from Birmingham City Council holding a "Winterville". What the hell is a winterville? It is an event that was made up to celebrate........winter. The event went on for 3 months and was used to get the economy moving in central Birmingham, bring in visitors and basically let the locals have a big celebration.
So did Christmas get banned? Erm no. Christmas is Christmas and is celebrated by Christians at......well Christmas time, and that is December 25th. Twelve days before and twelve days after.
But the event organised by the council ran for longer than the 25 days of the Christmas season. So they called it Winterville. Did they ban Christmas? No.....Christmas was celebrated by the council, by schools, the christmas lights went up, carols were sung and the full monty.
Once again......a good story about Christmas being banned......but untrue. If you believe it......then you have been had.
Dave_Notts
Davey...I like the place you live in but it is not always a nice picture like you would paint it.
This is a fact...
A mate of mines wife is a supervisor at a pre school nursery.
In December 2008 she was told to ask all parents IF any of them objected to a Christams play being held there. Her directive was so as not to upset any parents that shall we say, did not follow the Christian faith.
Not one parent objected but....the mere fact she was TOLD to ask the parents, leads me to believe that there ARE hidden agendas abound from local councils.
If it happened at this pre school, you can bet a years salary the same directives were issued amongst the other pre schools in the borough.
Or are you possibly saying this was purely an isolated case?
IF religion was banned...you know what? This world would be a much better place to live.
This is a fact...
A mate of mines wife is a supervisor at a pre school nursery.
In December 2008 she was told to ask all parents IF any of them objected to a Christams play being held there. Her directive was so as not to upset any parents that shall we say, did not follow the Christian faith.
Not one parent objected but....the mere fact she was TOLD to ask the parents, leads me to believe that there ARE hidden agendas abound from local councils.
If it happened at this pre school, you can bet a years salary the same directives were issued amongst the other pre schools in the borough.
Or are you possibly saying this was purely an isolated case?
IF religion was banned...you know what? This world would be a much better place to live.
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We are still a Christian country..with Christian values.
Just had a quick flick through the first few chapters of the new and old testament and found no reference to swinging being acceptable but I did find some text about having sex with someone elses wife is a sin.
Throwing in to the pot that this country is Christian is not right IMO. Practising Christians number about 10% only, so the rest don't give a feck about Christianity or its values. They may care about social values but that is two different things altogether IMO.
What I am getting at is that some claim that democracy should rule.......so should the 10% tell me how I should accept others in my own country?
Dave_Notts
