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Ba and unite should not be in court fighting.......they should be round a table banging heads together until they find a solution. BA has to accept that in those that voted the majority was in favour of strike action. Instead of getting the backs up of those people, they should be trying to form a compromise, so both parties can save face. There are no winners in this dispute....just losers.
The losers possibly being the workers in the long run.
What I cannot understand with a lot of past disputes is that invariably it is over money.
I can remember the good old days when Ford used to strike nearly every week it seemed over some of the most ridiculous of things.
A friends neighbour worked there and it was so bad that the workers could not get mortgages at that time.
He was once out on strike for just over three weeks over a wage issue, and the money that he actually lost when offset against the extra money they eventually got, meant it would have taken him three and a half years to get back that lost ammount.
Never understood that one.
What I cannot understand with a lot of past disputes is that invariably it is over money.
I can remember the good old days when Ford used to strike nearly every week it seemed over some of the most ridiculous of things.
A friends neighbour worked there and it was so bad that the workers could not get mortgages at that time.
He was once out on strike for just over three weeks over a wage issue, and the money that he actually lost when offset against the extra money they eventually got, meant it would have taken him three and a half years to get back that lost ammount.
Never understood that one.
just as easy turn that round kenty....and say the amount of money BA will lose in lost revenue from planes not flying....the loss of reputation and good will of its customers...maybe they should just cave in. Fact is...the people balloted have voted to take this action....that now throws the ball over into BA's court...to try and find a compromise. the court action they have taken, will have simply stiffened the resolve of those that voted, and would have cost BA. Maybe if the management there spent more time trying to find a solution, instead of loopholes, we may indeed have an end to the dispute.
they did indeed..put offer on the table...said take it or leave it...not much room for compromise here. Why take offer away ? Why not leave it there to be taken up, if the people got fed up of striking.... as you say saw they actually loseing money. I don't know enough about the wrongs or rights of the workers or BA case. As I say no winners here..both parties are going to be losing money. This at a time when the airline industry is very low....will there be a BA if this continues much longer.
Sex God
As a layman, I feel they are being gready
I whole heartedly agree with the right for people to strike, my fear is, that with the continued actions like these, the unions will errode the powers they have and that the peolpe who really need help from them will not be able to get it when they really need it.
I whole heartedly agree with the right for people to strike, my fear is, that with the continued actions like these, the unions will errode the powers they have and that the peolpe who really need help from them will not be able to get it when they really need it.
Warming the Bed
Good ..
But the damage they will do will mean more of their members out of a job.
But the damage they will do will mean more of their members out of a job.
Sex God
Am I wrong ? I seem to remember the dispute being about maintaining conditions and pay when B.A. want to erode them......why all this talk of greed?
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Am I wrong ? I seem to remember the dispute being about maintaining conditions and pay when B.A. want to erode them......why all this talk of greed?
I am under the imprecision that their wages are already ahead of the market, and at a time when many are taking pay cuts to keep their jobs.
British Airways staff currently earn more than double that of their counterparts at Virgin Atlantic, according to the Civil Aviation Authority, making £29,900 a year including allowances
Sex God
I won't fly BA to the US (I go for work so they pay). We go with Continental - better price, great service (we are lucky enough to travel business class - but the economy service is good too), they don't take the piss and don't have the attitude that they are doing you some kind of favour because they are a flag-carrier.
BA aren't the only choice - they aren't even the best choice. And the need to realise that. They have already lost customers they won't get back - and they will lose more.
I don't have enough details to know if the staff's greivances are reasonable - but i do know that BA as a company are 10 years behind the times both service-wise and industry-wise.
BA aren't the only choice - they aren't even the best choice. And the need to realise that. They have already lost customers they won't get back - and they will lose more.
I don't have enough details to know if the staff's greivances are reasonable - but i do know that BA as a company are 10 years behind the times both service-wise and industry-wise.
Sexlightened
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
Sex God
Quote by Mr_Lilly
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
BA will report record losses today and the legacy of the days when they were the State national carrier mean that they are encumbered with unsustainable working practices.
BA srtaff have better pay and conditions than almost every other comparable airline and the Unions want to maintain that.
Something has to give and it will either be the end of the Union stranglehold on BA staff or it will be the end of BA. Either outcome will just be (an albeit painful) adjustment to bring both entities back into the real world.
Quote by Mr_Lilly
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
Don't take this the wrong way, but when was the last time anyone walked into a job interview and said 'Don't pay me that, I'm only worth this?'
Did you do it?
BA's USP was supposed to be its customer service, that it employed the best staff in the business. The best staff get paid a premium.
Virgin's staff, as in all its ventures, get paid bottom of the market wages because their boss has an inbuilt contempt for customers. The entire Virgin brand is an extravagant con, an emperor's new clothes operation built around the myth of Richard Branson's genius that has been cruelly exposed by the likes of Private Eye and Tom Bower more than once.
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
Sex God
Quote by awayman
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
Don't take this the wrong way, but when was the last time anyone walked into a job interview and said 'Don't pay me that, I'm only worth this?'
Did you do it?
BA's USP was supposed to be its customer service, that it employed the best staff in the business. The best staff get paid a premium.
Virgin's staff, as in all its ventures, get paid bottom of the market wages because their boss has an inbuilt contempt for customers. The entire Virgin brand is an extravagant con, an emperor's new clothes operation built around the myth of Richard Branson's geniusthat has been cruelly exposed by the likes of Private Eye and Tom Bower more than once.
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
id like to be a pound behind him have yo seen his island (no councils apparently )
Quote by Lizaleanrob
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
Don't take this the wrong way, but when was the last time anyone walked into a job interview and said 'Don't pay me that, I'm only worth this?'
Did you do it?
BA's USP was supposed to be its customer service, that it employed the best staff in the business. The best staff get paid a premium.
Virgin's staff, as in all its ventures, get paid bottom of the market wages because their boss has an inbuilt contempt for customers. The entire Virgin brand is an extravagant con, an emperor's new clothes operation built around the myth of Richard Branson's geniusthat has been cruelly exposed by the likes of Private Eye and Tom Bower more than once.
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
id like to be a pound behind him have yo seen his island (no councils apparently )
Here's the paper that says Hooray for Hitler's take on the man
Sex God
Quote by awayman
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
Don't take this the wrong way, but when was the last time anyone walked into a job interview and said 'Don't pay me that, I'm only worth this?'
Did you do it?
BA's USP was supposed to be its customer service, that it employed the best staff in the business. The best staff get paid a premium.
Virgin's staff, as in all its ventures, get paid bottom of the market wages because their boss has an inbuilt contempt for customers. The entire Virgin brand is an extravagant con, an emperor's new clothes operation built around the myth of Richard Branson's geniusthat has been cruelly exposed by the likes of Private Eye and Tom Bower more than once.
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
id like to be a pound behind him have yo seen his island (no councils apparently )
Here's the paper that says Hooray for Hitler's take on the man
:worship:i do believe he is soon to have the pick of the bunch at a discount rate of cabin staff so much so he should really donate to unite
Sexlightened
Quote by awayman
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
As I write this, I'm sitting at my desk at work. The last day I work for this company. Due to the fact that they did not agree on my worth. On monday I start a new job for £6k more and 5 days more holiday.
Sex God
Quote by Mr_Lilly
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
As I write this, I'm sitting at my desk at work. The last day I work for this company. Due to the fact that they did not agree on my worth. On monday I start a new job for £6k more and 5 days more holiday.
note to self :: don`t employ Mr Lilly sits at computer all day on swinging heaven
:lol: 
Sexlightened
The good thing about working in IT is that if you're good at your job, you don't really have to work.
Sex God
Quote by Mr_Lilly
The good thing about working in IT is that if you're good at your job, you don't really have to work.
:thumbup::thumbup:
Quote by Lizaleanrob
As much as I support thier lawful right to strike,
£29k and the chance to travel the world for being a glorified waiter?
Are they having a laugh?
If you want every pay negotiation to be a race to the bottom, where bosses can simply say 'Mr Bastard down the road pays his staff less, so you'll have to accept less' then your argument is logical and consistent. I look forward on you reporting back on what you've said to your boss about how much you are worth.
As I write this, I'm sitting at my desk at work. The last day I work for this company. Due to the fact that they did not agree on my worth. On monday I start a new job for £6k more and 5 days more holiday.
note to self :: don`t employ Mr Lilly sits at computer all day on swinging heaven
:lol: Not the only one ( apparently ) :lol:
Sex God
Over 900 million losses over two years....
soon there will be no jobs to strike over!
soon there will be no jobs to strike over!
Things will improve...fuel costs are lower now...
However, they still have a 1 billion pound plus pension "black-hole" to fund.
As for the striking.....funny how the ones not striking tend to be the long-time employees....the ones with the very good pension arrangement....
There is talk that the airline could be wound-up and then re-launched, rid of the pension black hole and rid of the final salary pension arrangements, and at more realistic wage structure (including lower managerial salaries).
Time will tell, and there is no guarantee that Mr Walsh will be there for much longer.
Which is also good news for those with memories of his previous "jobs"
However, they still have a 1 billion pound plus pension "black-hole" to fund.
As for the striking.....funny how the ones not striking tend to be the long-time employees....the ones with the very good pension arrangement....
There is talk that the airline could be wound-up and then re-launched, rid of the pension black hole and rid of the final salary pension arrangements, and at more realistic wage structure (including lower managerial salaries).
Time will tell, and there is no guarantee that Mr Walsh will be there for much longer.
Which is also good news for those with memories of his previous "jobs"
Quote by kentswingers777
All the times The Mail has been slagged off on here, and yet when it suits they use it for their own purpose.
Now that is double standards.
Is it?
Is it not a valid point to make that if the paper that supported the blackshirts thinks Branson is beyond the pale, he really must be beyond the pale?
Sex God
Quote by awayman
All the times The Mail has been slagged off on here, and yet when it suits they use it for their own purpose.
Now that is double standards.
Is it?
Is it not a valid point to make that if the paper that supported the blackshirts thinks Branson is beyond the pale, he really must be beyond the pale?
might be the case but his airline is flying at the moment i do believe and with no or little disruption
the guy has obviously got a gift
i am also interested as to what unite are going to do for their members should BA decide to shut the doors
i fear the same as any other union that had lead it`s members to the doors of the benefit office
Quote by awayman
All the times The Mail has been slagged off on here, and yet when it suits they use it for their own purpose.
Now that is double standards.
Is it?
Is it not a valid point to make that if the paper that supported the blackshirts thinks Branson is beyond the pale, he really must be beyond the pale?
Yes it is.
Us Brits just take great delight in building people up, only to have a greater delight by knocking them down again....it's one of the few things left we seem great at.
I for one think Branson is a clever guy....he has made his millions and that I feel is why people hate him so much.
Self made millionaire people invariably get slagged off by the Marxists and Socialists in our society. I would not be as polite to call them that, I would say just fecking jealous!!!
It amazes me with peoples attitudes on a moralistic point, from a swingers community.
