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ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Sex God
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Quote by Lizaleanrob
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
I have heard this story, form others so many times, it is so wrong, and disgusting behaviour.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Not for doing the job, but the way they carry it out.
Suprise suprise.............you don't like Littlejohn. Now why would I possibly think you would?
Sorry Kenty, but you called my friends and colleagues thieves and crooks. An apology is in order. You might think it's just banter but it's not. You want to go calling people thieves and crooks, go to the police, but I think it's completely offensive for you to do it on here.
sharing the same council as kenty i am afraid i and many others are of the same opinion and given personal experiences i now think they should be regulated and answerable
Regulated and answerable? What in the name of holy fuck are you on about? Councils are auditted, examined and inspected to the nth degree. Give me a concrete example and I'll find you an answer that doesn't involve pathetic bleating about criminal behaviour.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Lovely.
Let me start with an observation. People who treat council staff as amoeba who're over payed are often surprised to find council staff are unhelpful. Quite why I don't know.
You have, on your account, prima facie evidence of maladministration by your local authority. I hope you have made an appropriate complaint to your local authority - in my experience, if your account is true, the council would probably pay your costs to prevent a complaint to the local government ombudsman. The LGO acts as a backstop for people who don't get a reasonable outcome to their complaints. However, the LGO tends to frown on complainants who don't co-operate with the council complaints process before going to the LGO. They also tend to take the view that if you're unreasonably rude to council staff, or unco-operative, you get paid back in the currency you deal in.
However, here's an important point. Maladministration is not a crime. It's evidence that your council has got something wrong, not that they are thieves. Kenty doesn't understand that, and thinks he can call the people I know and like thieves with impunity. I haven't seen many of your posts here, but I hope you don't take the same route.
Quote by awayman
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Lovely.
Let me start with an observation. People who treat council staff as amoeba who're over payed are often surprised to find council staff are unhelpful. Quite why I don't know.
You have, on your account, prima facie evidence of maladministration by your local authority. I hope you have made an appropriate complaint to your local authority - in my experience, if your account is true, the council would probably pay your costs to prevent a complaint to the local government ombudsman. The LGO acts as a backstop for people who don't get a reasonable outcome to their complaints. However, the LGO tends to frown on complainants who don't co-operate with the council complaints process before going to the LGO. They also tend to take the view that if you're unreasonably rude to council staff, or unco-operative, you get paid back in the currency you deal in.
However, here's an important point. Maladministration is not a crime. It's evidence that your council has got something wrong, not that they are thieves. Kenty doesn't understand that, and thinks he can call the people I know and like thieves with impunity. I haven't seen many of your posts here, but I hope you don't take the same route.
I do understand that perfectly.
When are you ever going to actually read what people write?
I never said ALL did I? I cannot possibly speak for the people you " know and like " but because they are your buddies you can make a sound judgement?
Maybe the people you know are not like that but I know there are many that are.
Quote by Bluefish2009
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
I have heard this story, form others so many times, it is so wrong, and disgusting behaviour.
I was summonsed for council tax and I had the receipt but they wouldn't accept it until I went to court. Waste of mine and tax payers money............but not theft. They could only follow the policy that has been implemented. I asked for it under the freedom of info Act and had a good read. I bloody wish I didn't......it was boring but it did show me that their hands are tied from making sensible decisions. Perhaps the system needs changing rather than the people
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by awayman
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Lovely.
Let me start with an observation. People who treat council staff as amoeba who're over payed are often surprised to find council staff are unhelpful. Quite why I don't know.
You have, on your account, prima facie evidence of maladministration by your local authority. I hope you have made an appropriate complaint to your local authority - in my experience, if your account is true, the council would probably pay your costs to prevent a complaint to the local government ombudsman. The LGO acts as a backstop for people who don't get a reasonable outcome to their complaints. However, the LGO tends to frown on complainants who don't co-operate with the council complaints process before going to the LGO. They also tend to take the view that if you're unreasonably rude to council staff, or unco-operative, you get paid back in the currency you deal in.
However, here's an important point. Maladministration is not a crime. It's evidence that your council has got something wrong, not that they are thieves. Kenty doesn't understand that, and thinks he can call the people I know and like thieves with impunity. I haven't seen many of your posts here, but I hope you don't take the same route.
:laughabove::laughabove:
sorry but i feel your a Master in your own council firstly no one is guilty to proven otherwise unless its council tax or parking
demanding money with menace : the treat to remove goods for a debt not owed (is a crime)
and i`ll have to get clarification on this but a debt is not by law allowed to be chased if no effort to chase the debt is made in 6 years (not even the tax or vat man )
so where is the exemption for this to local council (is possibly a crime)
you state how audited you are if its that stringent how comes the local council cannot identify the missing funds
sorry but bully boy tactics by our local council do not wash with there hands are tied
hiding behind goverment guide lines is bullshit
ok so you want some more examples
my ex sister in law who works for the council managed to jump the housing que nicely and get handed 5 sets of keys for 5 houses (3 bed room )and told to take her pick which she did very nicely not bad considering she was single at the time 1993 (not sure if its legal or not but its not right )
not quiet sure but a recent (in the last year )a bbc news article stated (might be wrong but i think it was bolton council )was guilty of 4 million pounds of frudulent parking fines
my best till last
:in 2001 i was contacted by a local council regarding my services
i went to see the guy responsible for the contact and was ushered in to a room and told that for £6000 he could secure the contract for next 3 years my next step was to walk out phone the police and ask to see the council exec the out come was:
police decided it was too much trouble his word vs mine council suspended him and then re-post him in another job happy to supply names not sure if i can post it legally on open forum
i still have the contract but then with only 150 of my type of company in the county i was always going to get it
so please don`t paste me the picture of the council car park full of grazing unicorns and gandalf the white at reception
because our local council car park is full of new bmws mercedes and convertable jags
as for complaints procedure i find the county court much more profitable (and tell me why do the councils not bother to turn up )
and a ps my regulated statement stands regardless of audits they not the same
Quote by kentswingers777
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Lovely.
Let me start with an observation. People who treat council staff as amoeba who're over payed are often surprised to find council staff are unhelpful. Quite why I don't know.
You have, on your account, prima facie evidence of maladministration by your local authority. I hope you have made an appropriate complaint to your local authority - in my experience, if your account is true, the council would probably pay your costs to prevent a complaint to the local government ombudsman. The LGO acts as a backstop for people who don't get a reasonable outcome to their complaints. However, the LGO tends to frown on complainants who don't co-operate with the council complaints process before going to the LGO. They also tend to take the view that if you're unreasonably rude to council staff, or unco-operative, you get paid back in the currency you deal in.
However, here's an important point. Maladministration is not a crime. It's evidence that your council has got something wrong, not that they are thieves. Kenty doesn't understand that, and thinks he can call the people I know and like thieves with impunity. I haven't seen many of your posts here, but I hope you don't take the same route.
I do understand that perfectly.
When are you ever going to actually read what people write?
I never said ALL did I? I cannot possibly speak for the people you " know and like " but because they are your buddies you can make a sound judgement?
Maybe the people you know are not like that but I know there are many that are.
Well done Kenty. You never said ALL. You said
I detest local councils with an absolute passion.....they are nothing short of crooks and thieves, with their oh so shiny clip boards. I thought traffic wardens were bad.
That's unqualified Kenty. It tars everybody with the same brush. it's what you do. You're condemned by your own words. If you want to retract those words, or qualify them, go ahead. But you didn't when you posted them.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
ok one of my experiences
2007 letter stating i owed council tax for 2006 i took time off took down the evidence all ok
so i think!!!! one month later i get letter giving me 14 days to pay outstanding money owed from 2005
same again takes down evidence more time off this goes on
2004/2003/2002 so i get pissed off ask for clarification of when i owe said council tax from
council cannot give me any l leave and then get summons for 2001 a week later
so with solicitor we go to court with paperwork at 10am as stated
only to find the all council tax issues where heard in bulk by magistrates at am
so we show evidence to council reps ,they agree to not bother me again and strike off any further action
1 month later get bailiff visit demanding money from my wife for the 2001 account or he`s gonna take her car hold on £280 alledged owed council tax £210 visit and wants a 40K car so i phone solicitor then council and after lots of argueing bailiff leaves
it then cost me £700 to get an overturn of the original magistrates sentence
i then get a letter demanding outstanding for 1995 ffs now i don`t think i have all the evidence app this is legal
but as luck would have it i paid that year from my business account so i managed to get the payment details with 2 days till the court case
solicitor gets proper hearing with magistrates who ask for clarification council still cannot and do not know when this money is owed from app still legal and council insist that its up to us to prove we paid it (as far back as 1991 app)
the outcome was the council was ordered not to persue the debt any further
so i have had to sue the council for my costs
so as far as i am concerned the only council life under the bench are the usual omeba that work in our over payed council offices
Lovely.
Let me start with an observation. People who treat council staff as amoeba who're over payed are often surprised to find council staff are unhelpful. Quite why I don't know.
You have, on your account, prima facie evidence of maladministration by your local authority. I hope you have made an appropriate complaint to your local authority - in my experience, if your account is true, the council would probably pay your costs to prevent a complaint to the local government ombudsman. The LGO acts as a backstop for people who don't get a reasonable outcome to their complaints. However, the LGO tends to frown on complainants who don't co-operate with the council complaints process before going to the LGO. They also tend to take the view that if you're unreasonably rude to council staff, or unco-operative, you get paid back in the currency you deal in.
However, here's an important point. Maladministration is not a crime. It's evidence that your council has got something wrong, not that they are thieves. Kenty doesn't understand that, and thinks he can call the people I know and like thieves with impunity. I haven't seen many of your posts here, but I hope you don't take the same route.
:laughabove::laughabove:
sorry but i feel your a Master in your own council firstly no one is guilty to proven otherwise unless its council tax or parking
demanding money with menace : the treat to remove goods for a debt not owed (is a crime)
and i`ll have to get clarification on this but a debt is not by law allowed to be chased if no effort to chase the debt is made in 6 years (not even the tax or vat man )
so where is the exemption for this to local council (is possibly a crime)
you state how audited you are if its that stringent how comes the local council cannot identify the missing funds
sorry but bully boy tactics by our local council do not wash with there hands are tied
hiding behind goverment guide lines is bullshit
ok so you want some more examples
my ex sister in law who works for the council managed to jump the housing que nicely and get handed 5 sets of keys for 5 houses (3 bed room )and told to take her pick which she did very nicely not bad considering she was single at the time 1993 (not sure if its legal or not but its not right )
not quiet sure but a recent (in the last year )a bbc news article stated (might be wrong but i think it was bolton council )was guilty of 4 million pounds of frudulent parking fines
my best till last
:in 2001 i was contacted by a local council regarding my services
i went to see the guy responsible for the contact and was ushered in to a room and told that for £6000 he could secure the contract for next 3 years my next step was to walk out phone the police and ask to see the council exec the out come was:
police decided it was too much trouble his word vs mine council suspended him and then re-post him in another job happy to supply names not sure if i can post it legally on open forum
i still have the contract but then with only 150 of my type of company in the county i was always going to get it
so please don`t paste me the picture of the council car park full of grazing unicorns and gandalf the white at reception
because our local council car park is full of new bmws mercedes and convertable jags
as for complaints procedure i find the county court much more profitable (and tell me why do the councils not bother to turn up )
and a ps my regulated statement stands regardless of audits they not the same
Here we go; forgive me if I can't understand all your post - punctuation was invented to aid comprehension but you don't appear to subscribe to that idea.
I can't claim I am not a Master in my own council since I haven't a clue what that means.
You claim it's demanding money with menaces to outline the possible risks involved in not paying monies due in a letter - you might want to get some advice from a lawyer before you try that line on grown ups. Or have a look at risk of efault letters from all sorts of organizations - they all use the same language to avoid the risk of a respondent turning up in court and claiming they didn't realise the risks they ran.
Your example from 1993 of fraud on a housing application is a good example of why most good councils have now gone over to much more transparent choice based lettings schemes - 1993 was 17 years ago, after all, when Kenty's political heroes were busy devastating social housing to the benefit of their friends in the private sector.
Cockups on council parking fines are becoming more common as councils abandon good practice and transfer their parking services to private contractors - Sunderland has been a study in bad practice by private contractors, and there are plenty of others. You want to oppose privatization of parking services you'll find we're on common ground.
Your example from 2001 is worrying, but you could have pursued it with the external auditor if the council didn't respond appropriately. My guess is yours was the only complaint, and they didn't fancy going to a criminal trial with just your evidence. You might not like it, but I'll refer you to my earlier comments about your attitude.
Why don't councils attend County Courts? If they're being sued and don't attend it's usually because they calculate the cost of sending an officer / agent plus counsel, and decide that it's not worth the cost compared to the likely gain from sending representation. the days when councils had good in house lawyers for anything other that choldcare work are long gone. When councils are suing to recover unpaid taxes they work on the same basis as almost every commercial organisation that issues bulk summonses - that attendance is a waste of money since the respondent has had all the chances they need to prevent the case going to court, and because less than one in a hundred respondents file a defence, turn up or ask for an adjournment at court.
None of the above makes all councils, and by implication all council staff liars and thieves. Which is what Kenty said, although he's now resiling from that assertion.
Ok let me clarify.
Most council officials are thieves and over zealous turds and bullies.
Now I did say most as do not want you frothing at the mouth in rage, because a few of your matey chums work for the council who you say are honest as the day is long.
There are a zillion examples out there of bully boy tactics by local councils.
Take Essex council as an example. They prosecute a decent hard working taxpayer for erecting a shed that was 21 inches above the councils RULES yet that same council ( Chelmsford ) allow an ILLEGAL travelers camp to be set up on green belt land, and ten years on they are still there only bigger than ever. Of course that council have all the answers as to why it has taken so long, yeah ten years too long.
It is so much easier to take the little man to court over a shed, but to take a load of illegal people who have trespassed onto land you cannot build on yet, have built a road on it and electric and they even have their own sewage problem sorted.
The local council have dragged their feet for the last ten years over this..........ten fecking years yet got this poor other man into court within three weeks.
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd.
Google brings up so many pages of councils incompetence and sheer greed, that for anyone to believe local councilors are so honest and trustworthy, really are on the road to see the Wizard of Oz.
There are so many other examples of clip board tactics, and local councils who think it is more important to have your rubbish bin lid shut tight, than most other things. It is called quite simply....extortion.
I think some council officials have been trained by MI5 in the art of surveillance. They are sneaky and are a law unto themselves, and I detest them with a passion. I have had dealings with a few of these officials, who are nothing more than jumped up little job worth's, reveling in their own PR exercise.
Is a nice shiny clip board part of their job package? I wonder how many will be out there today ready and waiting to dish out the massive extortionate fines. The bin collection issue is just a small example of the narrow mindedness of people whose only task in life is to rip people off.
Is that clarity enough for you?
Most council officials are thieves and over zealous turds and bullies.
Now I did say most as do not want you frothing at the mouth in rage, because a few of your matey chums work for the council who you say are honest as the day is long.
There are a zillion examples out there of bully boy tactics by local councils.
Take Essex council as an example. They prosecute a decent hard working taxpayer for erecting a shed that was 21 inches above the councils RULES yet that same council ( Chelmsford ) allow an ILLEGAL travelers camp to be set up on green belt land, and ten years on they are still there only bigger than ever. Of course that council have all the answers as to why it has taken so long, yeah ten years too long.
It is so much easier to take the little man to court over a shed, but to take a load of illegal people who have trespassed onto land you cannot build on yet, have built a road on it and electric and they even have their own sewage problem sorted.
The local council have dragged their feet for the last ten years over this..........ten fecking years yet got this poor other man into court within three weeks.
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd.
Google brings up so many pages of councils incompetence and sheer greed, that for anyone to believe local councilors are so honest and trustworthy, really are on the road to see the Wizard of Oz.
There are so many other examples of clip board tactics, and local councils who think it is more important to have your rubbish bin lid shut tight, than most other things. It is called quite simply....extortion.
I think some council officials have been trained by MI5 in the art of surveillance. They are sneaky and are a law unto themselves, and I detest them with a passion. I have had dealings with a few of these officials, who are nothing more than jumped up little job worth's, reveling in their own PR exercise.
Is a nice shiny clip board part of their job package? I wonder how many will be out there today ready and waiting to dish out the massive extortionate fines. The bin collection issue is just a small example of the narrow mindedness of people whose only task in life is to rip people off.
Is that clarity enough for you?
Quote by kentswingers777
Ok let me clarify.
Most council officials are thieves and over zealous turds and bullies.
Now I did say most as do not want you frothing at the mouth in rage, because a few of your matey chums work for the council who you say are honest as the day is long.
There are a zillion examples out there of bully boy tactics by local councils.
Take Essex council as an example. They prosecute a decent hard working taxpayer for erecting a shed that was 21 inches above the councils RULES yet that same council ( Chelmsford ) allow an ILLEGAL travelers camp to be set up on green belt land, and ten years on they are still there only bigger than ever. Of course that council have all the answers as to why it has taken so long, yeah ten years too long.
It is so much easier to take the little man to court over a shed, but to take a load of illegal people who have trespassed onto land you cannot build on yet, have built a road on it and electric and they even have their own sewage problem sorted.
The local council have dragged their feet for the last ten years over this..........ten fecking years yet got this poor other man into court within three weeks.
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd.
Google brings up so many pages of councils incompetence and sheer greed, that for anyone to believe local councilors are so honest and trustworthy, really are on the road to see the Wizard of Oz.
There are so many other examples of clip board tactics, and local councils who think it is more important to have your rubbish bin lid shut tight, than most other things. It is called quite simply....extortion.
I think some council officials have been trained by MI5 in the art of surveillance. They are sneaky and are a law unto themselves, and I detest them with a passion. I have had dealings with a few of these officials, who are nothing more than jumped up little job worth's, reveling in their own PR exercise.
Is a nice shiny clip board part of their job package? I wonder how many will be out there today ready and waiting to dish out the massive extortionate fines. The bin collection issue is just a small example of the narrow mindedness of people whose only task in life is to rip people off.
Is that clarity enough for you?
It is clear enough. It's vile abuse masquerading as comment.
Essex council and their traveller problem? If they'd built enough sites, as required by law, for travellers, they wouldn't have the problem now where they can't enforce the law against those travellers for human rights reasons. As usual you use apples and pears examples; you seem to believe that since Essex, because of heir own errors and choices, can't enforce the law against illegal traveller camps, they shouldn't enforce the law against anyone else either.
Interesting too that you've substantially changed your original claim, but you won't acknowledge that it was wrong to to go so far over the top in the first place.
Council officials trained by MI5? That's some case of paranoia you've got there extortionate fines? Not round here mate - I've never had one of them. Wonder why that is? I mean, I'm not even a freemason...
By the way, did you not know that shiny clip boards (with which you're obsessed in the absence of coherent evidence) have been banned under health and safety legislation in case the glare blinds drivers? You should have a word with 'em Kenty....
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd
Of course they do: Look at who employed the bailiffs before they became bailiffs, mainly police and council !
Essex council and their traveller problem? If they'd built enough sites, as required by law, for travellers, they wouldn't have the problem now where they can't enforce the law against those travellers for human rights reasons. As usual you use apples and pears examples; you seem to believe that since Essex, because of heir own errors and choices, can't enforce the law against illegal traveller camps, they shouldn't enforce the law against anyone else either
They cannot enforce the laws because the travellers ignore the laws, human rights is just a face-saving excuse and puts the blame on others.
A house-owner/renter is a static target and easy to hit: They have no ability to move and do not want to in most cases. So they get "hit" with unfailing accuracy. Typical bully tactics, most bullies do not pick on people wielding a pick-axe handle.
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Just an observation folks.
While most of this is on track, we seem to be moving away from debate (serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part) and towards haranguing (to speak to someone or a group of people, often for a long time, in a forceful and sometimes angry way, especially to persuade them.).
Just to clarify.......
Debate = :thumbup: .................. Harangue =
Please remember that (at the moment anyway) we're all allowed freedom of thought and that it is ok for other to have ideas that we don't agree with. They have probably taken many years to develop those ideas after life-experience etc, so please do not become frustrated if your beautifully worded and handsomely crafted paragraph of text doesn't make them have an epiphany. :doh: ;)
Instead step away from the keyboard and hug the nearest wife/husband (usually your own, but hey, I'm liberal :lol2: ), cat/dog (JUST hug that one ... ok?), or anything else that helps to calm your mood or relieves tension (just remember what I said about cats/dogs applies any household pets .... except goldfish! :huh: Don't hug the goldfish!).
Thanks and happy debating!.
Just an observation folks.
While most of this is on track, we seem to be moving away from debate (serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part) and towards haranguing (to speak to someone or a group of people, often for a long time, in a forceful and sometimes angry way, especially to persuade them.).
Just to clarify.......
Debate = :thumbup: .................. Harangue =
Please remember that (at the moment anyway) we're all allowed freedom of thought and that it is ok for other to have ideas that we don't agree with. They have probably taken many years to develop those ideas after life-experience etc, so please do not become frustrated if your beautifully worded and handsomely crafted paragraph of text doesn't make them have an epiphany. :doh: ;)
Instead step away from the keyboard and hug the nearest wife/husband (usually your own, but hey, I'm liberal :lol2: ), cat/dog (JUST hug that one ... ok?), or anything else that helps to calm your mood or relieves tension (just remember what I said about cats/dogs applies any household pets .... except goldfish! :huh: Don't hug the goldfish!).
Thanks and happy debating!.
Quote by JTS
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd
Of course they do: Look at who employed the bailiffs before they became bailiffs, mainly police and council !
Essex council and their traveller problem? If they'd built enough sites, as required by law, for travellers, they wouldn't have the problem now where they can't enforce the law against those travellers for human rights reasons. As usual you use apples and pears examples; you seem to believe that since Essex, because of heir own errors and choices, can't enforce the law against illegal traveller camps, they shouldn't enforce the law against anyone else either
They cannot enforce the laws because the travellers ignore the laws, human rights is just a face-saving excuse and puts the blame on others.
A house-owner/renter is a static target and easy to hit: They have no ability to move and do not want to in most cases. So they get "hit" with unfailing accuracy. Typical bully tactics, most bullies do not pick on people wielding a pick-axe handle.
That is very true. They have done nothing for fear of retribution.........period.
Yet they pick on the easy target, you know the pensioner who has his hedge too high, or the person whose shed is a tad higher than their permitted policies allow.
But move on illegal travellers that have built roads on green belt land? Oh no way too much of a problem for them to sort out...........pick on the easy target.
Quote by awayman
Ok let me clarify.
Most council officials are thieves and over zealous turds and bullies.
Now I did say most as do not want you frothing at the mouth in rage, because a few of your matey chums work for the council who you say are honest as the day is long.
There are a zillion examples out there of bully boy tactics by local councils.
Take Essex council as an example. They prosecute a decent hard working taxpayer for erecting a shed that was 21 inches above the councils RULES yet that same council ( Chelmsford ) allow an ILLEGAL travelers camp to be set up on green belt land, and ten years on they are still there only bigger than ever. Of course that council have all the answers as to why it has taken so long, yeah ten years too long.
It is so much easier to take the little man to court over a shed, but to take a load of illegal people who have trespassed onto land you cannot build on yet, have built a road on it and electric and they even have their own sewage problem sorted.
The local council have dragged their feet for the last ten years over this..........ten fecking years yet got this poor other man into court within three weeks.
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd.
Google brings up so many pages of councils incompetence and sheer greed, that for anyone to believe local councilors are so honest and trustworthy, really are on the road to see the Wizard of Oz.
There are so many other examples of clip board tactics, and local councils who think it is more important to have your rubbish bin lid shut tight, than most other things. It is called quite simply....extortion.
I think some council officials have been trained by MI5 in the art of surveillance. They are sneaky and are a law unto themselves, and I detest them with a passion. I have had dealings with a few of these officials, who are nothing more than jumped up little job worth's, reveling in their own PR exercise.
Is a nice shiny clip board part of their job package? I wonder how many will be out there today ready and waiting to dish out the massive extortionate fines. The bin collection issue is just a small example of the narrow mindedness of people whose only task in life is to rip people off.
Is that clarity enough for you?
It is clear enough. It's vile abuse masquerading as comment.
IF that is really what you think, you should hear me when I really get going.
Essex council and their traveller problem? If they'd built enough sites, as required by law, for travellers, they wouldn't have the problem now where they can't enforce the law against those travellers for human rights reasons. As usual you use apples and pears examples; you seem to believe that since Essex, because of heir own errors and choices, can't enforce the law against illegal traveller camps, they shouldn't enforce the law against anyone else either.
Why should councils be forced to build sites for people? What about building houses for the real needy families out there? I am not getting into a travellers debate as the last one got heated and was locked. But that is such a typical lefty Labour stance on it.
Interesting too that you've substantially changed your original claim, but you won't acknowledge that it was wrong to to go so far over the top in the first place.
I have ever so slightly changed it, certainly no way is it substantially!
Council officials trained by MI5? That's some case of paranoia you've got there extortionate fines? Not round here mate - I've never had one of them. Wonder why that is? I mean, I'm not even a freemason...
Not paranoid at all that is how a lot of decent hardworking taxpayers see these thieves. Do you actually live in Britain? " no extortionate fines " where you are? Are you living on the Isle of Sky?
By the way, did you not know that shiny clip boards (with which you're obsessed in the absence of coherent evidence) have been banned under health and safety legislation in case the glare blinds drivers? You should have a word with 'em Kenty....
Well what a suprise there then.
Quote by kentswingers777
Ok let me clarify.
Most council officials are thieves and over zealous turds and bullies.
Now I did say most as do not want you frothing at the mouth in rage, because a few of your matey chums work for the council who you say are honest as the day is long.
There are a zillion examples out there of bully boy tactics by local councils.
Take Essex council as an example. They prosecute a decent hard working taxpayer for erecting a shed that was 21 inches above the councils RULES yet that same council ( Chelmsford ) allow an ILLEGAL travelers camp to be set up on green belt land, and ten years on they are still there only bigger than ever. Of course that council have all the answers as to why it has taken so long, yeah ten years too long.
It is so much easier to take the little man to court over a shed, but to take a load of illegal people who have trespassed onto land you cannot build on yet, have built a road on it and electric and they even have their own sewage problem sorted.
The local council have dragged their feet for the last ten years over this..........ten fecking years yet got this poor other man into court within three weeks.
God forbid if you do not pay your council tax. They will have the Gestapo Bailiffs around ready to steal your belongings which sometimes do not even cover the debt. Not the fault of the council I know but their tactics when dealing with bailiffs is dodgy to say the least and JUST falls within the law, but morally it stinks like a dog turd.
Google brings up so many pages of councils incompetence and sheer greed, that for anyone to believe local councilors are so honest and trustworthy, really are on the road to see the Wizard of Oz.
There are so many other examples of clip board tactics, and local councils who think it is more important to have your rubbish bin lid shut tight, than most other things. It is called quite simply....extortion.
I think some council officials have been trained by MI5 in the art of surveillance. They are sneaky and are a law unto themselves, and I detest them with a passion. I have had dealings with a few of these officials, who are nothing more than jumped up little job worth's, reveling in their own PR exercise.
Is a nice shiny clip board part of their job package? I wonder how many will be out there today ready and waiting to dish out the massive extortionate fines. The bin collection issue is just a small example of the narrow mindedness of people whose only task in life is to rip people off.
Is that clarity enough for you?
It is clear enough. It's vile abuse masquerading as comment.
IF that is really what you think, you should hear me when I really get going.
Essex council and their traveller problem? If they'd built enough sites, as required by law, for travellers, they wouldn't have the problem now where they can't enforce the law against those travellers for human rights reasons. As usual you use apples and pears examples; you seem to believe that since Essex, because of heir own errors and choices, can't enforce the law against illegal traveller camps, they shouldn't enforce the law against anyone else either.
Why should councils be forced to build sites for people? What about building houses for the real needy families out there? I am not getting into a travellers debate as the last one got heated and was locked. But that is such a typical lefty Labour stance on it.
Interesting too that you've substantially changed your original claim, but you won't acknowledge that it was wrong to to go so far over the top in the first place.
I have ever so slightly changed it, certainly no way is it substantially!
Council officials trained by MI5? That's some case of paranoia you've got there extortionate fines? Not round here mate - I've never had one of them. Wonder why that is? I mean, I'm not even a freemason...
Not paranoid at all that is how a lot of decent hardworking taxpayers see these thieves. Do you actually live in Britain? " no extortionate fines " where you are? Are you living on the Isle of Sky?
By the way, did you not know that shiny clip boards (with which you're obsessed in the absence of coherent evidence) have been banned under health and safety legislation in case the glare blinds drivers? You should have a word with 'em Kenty....
Well what a suprise there then.
You may think you're a hardworking decent taxpayer - I couldn't possibly comment, but you've given yourself away with the bit about why sites for travellers should or shouldn't be a legal requirement.
I am a hardworking decent taxpayer,,,,,,my accountant tells me can you not comment? You have plenty to say about everything else.
The traveller comment is based on one section of the community riding roughshod over councils through fear of retribution and intimidation if they dared to try and get them off of green belt land.
But then like so many they have used the human rights law to protect themselves but to the detriment of the other people who live in that community who HAVE to abide by the laws of the land or face the councils wrath in court.
But that is something for another thread.
You have a nice weekend now........ya hear?:thrilled:
The traveller comment is based on one section of the community riding roughshod over councils through fear of retribution and intimidation if they dared to try and get them off of green belt land.
But then like so many they have used the human rights law to protect themselves but to the detriment of the other people who live in that community who HAVE to abide by the laws of the land or face the councils wrath in court.
But that is something for another thread.
You have a nice weekend now........ya hear?:thrilled:
Quote by kentswingers777
The traveller comment is based on one section of the community riding roughshod over councils through fear of retribution and intimidation if they dared to try and get them off of green belt land.
I have had a quick google search on illegal camps in Kent. The search brought up Councils taking them to court to have them evicted legally. What else are you expecting them to do? They can only use the law of the land.
So they are daring.......just they have to stay within the law
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nicely put too i almost got my cross in the box 
Quote by JTS
There must be an election coming:
There lies the problem.
Governments do nothing about major issues that piss people off, like immigration and illegal travellers sites yet........as soon as you rightly say an election comes around, hey presto they promise to do something about it.
Cameron is bang on the money here. Imagine living somewhere lush and green and safe in the knowledge that land will not change, then wake up one morning to have 30 caravans parked at the bottom of your garden. That then turns into 100 and then a road gets built, then more caravans and more roads.
All this done illegally and right under the councils noses by now, yet it takes forever to get them into court, and when they do clever lawyers get it adjourned and adjourned again, until a year or more has passed.
I have never ever understood where any problem is at all. They are there illegally, so surely it would be simples to get a court order and kick em off....seems a strange one to me that if it was Jimmy Smith with his two Brothers who had done this, guaranteed they would be there no longer than two weeks.
Why are they any different? councils too shit scared because of human rights laws, which this Government gave to them, and just like a benefit fiddler, they know every law going that protect their so called rights, but to the detriment of the law abiding person.
Cameron could well be the man that puts so many wrongs right.......They certainly cannot be any worse than this bunch of clowns and monkeys.
Quote by kentswingers777
I am a hardworking decent taxpayer,,,,,,my accountant tells me can you not comment? You have plenty to say about everything else.
The traveller comment is based on one section of the community riding roughshod over councils through fear of retribution and intimidation if they dared to try and get them off of green belt land.
But then like so many they have used the human rights law to protect themselves but to the detriment of the other people who live in that community who HAVE to abide by the laws of the land or face the councils wrath in court.
But that is something for another thread.
You have a nice weekend now........ya hear?:thrilled:
If your accountant thinks you are a hardworking decent taxpayer you'll have to let me have his name - so I can avoid a man of such poor judgement.
Your claim that council's don't act against traveller encampments for fear of retribution and intimidation is rubbish. Repeatedly in Essex councils have lost court cases because they have failed in their duty to provide legal pitches for travellers. So why do you keep lying about this Kenty?
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