you just woke up on average £200 worse off

6 Apr 2011

So many new taxs come into force....and dispite all the posturing about getting people back to work...I quote from the report
" But it is one earner families with children who will be worst affected, according to report.
The report actually concludes that the main winners from these reforms are non-working lone parents, being the only household type to gain on average.
Amazingly, the reforms "will slightly weaken the incentive to work at all", according to the IFS "
Thanks Mr Cameron, nice idea...put people out of work, and then give them little incentive to find alternative work !! So much for the Tories being the low tax party.

6 Apr 2011

so..you think...puting people out of work..and therefore not paying income tax..and earning more money in employment benifet with reduce the deficit ! interesting economics.
My way forward would be to keep people in work, and therefore paying taxes...therefore not paying out unemployment beniefit..and people may just go out then and buy stuff...and low and behold, pay VAT and increase money coming into the treasury.
Instead we now have a government that increases unemployment.. increases taxes, and cuts services.

6 Apr 2011

Dont worry Dean, there is still plenty of spare cash they havnt told us about.
After all we just pledge £650 million to Pakistan so they can have nice new schools.
Without having to "CUT THEIR" defense budget.
Pity they forgot about our crumbling ones.

6 Apr 2011

we manufacture nothing in this country because slag thatcher decimated manufacturing industries in this country,.whilst she was in is a spawn of thatcher as for clegg what does he offer NOTHING .This demolition goverment will totally make us a third world even fourth world dont worry the rich will get richer thats a fact .

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Delron11
we manufacture nothing in this country because slag thatcher decimated manufacturing industries in this country,.whilst she was in is a spawn of thatcher as for clegg what does he offer NOTHING .This demolition goverment will totally make us a third world even fourth world dont worry the rich will get richer thats a fact .

sorry but are those the same manufactorin industies that were losing money every day of every week of every month of every year? those industries you meen? oh well if they were still here today they would have cost the country more over the last 30 years than the banks have cost us.
do like a good fact

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Andy_Jules
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My solution would be to sell Scotland *waves to the SH Scotland members* that should just about sort the UK overdraft out...
Andy

have you seen Scotland lately, pot holes everywhere ? maybe selling Milton Keynes would be a better proposition to raise capital, we wouldnt miss Milton Keynes and it would fetCh 3 quid more than Scotland.

6 Apr 2011

Why done we sell of the places that have no useful purpose anymore, like the Palace of Westminster.

6 Apr 2011

you just woke up on average £200 worse off
Got to fund the financial hole the last government left us with some how

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Delron11
we manufacture nothing in this country because slag thatcher decimated manufacturing industries in this country,.whilst she was in is a spawn of thatcher as for clegg what does he offer NOTHING .This demolition goverment will totally make us a third world even fourth world dont worry the rich will get richer thats a fact .

Ah, the venom of the Labour supporter, always afraid of facts and always quick to blame Maggie. Please explain this then Delron:

6 Apr 2011

Quote by swcpl2005
we manufacture nothing in this country because slag thatcher decimated manufacturing industries in this country,.whilst she was in is a spawn of thatcher as for clegg what does he offer NOTHING .This demolition goverment will totally make us a third world even fourth world dont worry the rich will get richer thats a fact .

Ah, the venom of the Labour supporter, always afraid of facts and always quick to blame Maggie. Please explain this then Delron:

oh oh oh can i can i pleeeeeeeease
sod it gonna do it any way
This was my fav link on that page swcpl

That brown Fella gave them bankers what for aye ......................
..........shit ..........i think i just pissed me self laffin

6 Apr 2011

Quote by deancannock

So many new taxs come into force....and dispite all the posturing about getting people back to work...I quote from the report
" But it is one earner families with children who will be worst affected, according to report.
The report actually concludes that the main winners from these reforms are non-working lone parents, being the only household type to gain on average.
Amazingly, the reforms "will slightly weaken the incentive to work at all", according to the IFS "
Thanks Mr Cameron, nice idea...put people out of work, and then give them little incentive to find alternative work !! So much for the Tories being the low tax party.

You are being very selective in the quotes you use Dean. You could also have included these ones too.
Unsurprisingly, the wealthiest will contribute the most to refilling the Treasury coffers, as their tax changes will be exacerbated by the restriction on pension contributions.
The report actually concludes that the main winners from these reforms are non-working lone parents, being the only household type to gain on average
Also, the fact that 500,000 people will have been taken out of taxation due to the increase in personal allowances. Isn't this what people want, for the better off to be hit the hardest?
The article also says this:
The biggest change, affecting the most people, will be the 1% increase in National Insurance Contributions, which is expected to bring in more than £9 billion on its own.
What it doesn't say is that this increase was actually implemented by Alistair Darling in his last budget.
In my opinion, the following article on the BBC website is more balanced.

6 Apr 2011

Quote by swcpl2005
we manufacture nothing in this country because slag thatcher decimated manufacturing industries in this country,.whilst she was in is a spawn of thatcher as for clegg what does he offer NOTHING .This demolition goverment will totally make us a third world even fourth world dont worry the rich will get richer thats a fact .

Ah, the venom of the Labour supporter, always afraid of facts and always quick to blame Maggie. Please explain this then Delron:

Difficult to comment on it swcpl because in its wisdom the Mail hasn't seen fit to link us to the study, or otherwise present the stats in a way that puts them into some sort of proper context. Reading the article it seems that they're limiting themselves to manufacturing as a percentage of the UK economy.
It could simply be that an enormous, unprecedented boom in the service sector since 1997 has caused manufacturing as a percentage of the total economy to shrink quite drastically relatively speaking, but that is not to say that manufacturing too couldn't have grown dramatically over the same period. It could simply mean that the service sector has grown much, much faster relative to it. Equally, using the same measure, under Thatcher it may be that manufacturing went through an almost total collapse, but as a percentage of the UK economy the decline was less marked because other areas of the economy were also in decline, or slow to grow relative to it. In the absence of other data, we can't say with any certainty what has happened to manufacturing over the years, or explain this apparent shrinkage relative to other sectors.
In short, the statistic the Mail has plumped for is meaningless on it's own, and tells us nothing about wider trends. Very much par for the course for the Mail is that.
N x x x ;)

6 Apr 2011

It's only money lol

and you can only do 3 things with it
Spend it, save it or give it away.

6 Apr 2011

Can I suggest this - - gentleman as a starting point for studying the Tory governments role in the decimation of British industry

6 Apr 2011

Quote by flower411
It's only money and you can only do 3 things with it
Spend it, save it or give it away.

:shock:
But the paper money is so full of creases !! Surely there`s a fourth thing you can do !
Two good points well made .....nice debating skills from both of you :lol: :lol: :lol:

6 Apr 2011

Quote by flower411
It's only money and you can only do 3 things with it
Spend it, save it or give it away.

:shock:
But the paper money is so full of creases !! Surely there`s a fourth thing you can do !
That's why it's sometimes called "spending a penny"!

7 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Can I suggest this - gentleman as a starting point for studying the Tory governments role in the decimation of British industry

And this for bloody minded self destruction of the unions, and probably the best proof in history that normally intelligent men will follow any idiot

7 Apr 2011

Rob, but at a time when the Govt and the NCB were still talking about the closure of a mere handful of uneconomic pits ((( I think it was around 20 out of the 174 still working in 1983, employing around 20 000 men between them out of a total workforce of 200 000 nationally? dunno

))) Scargill was absolutely bang on the money in predicting the true scale of the planned pit closure programme and resultant lob losses, wasn't he? ;)
N x x x ;)

7 Apr 2011

Quote by Andy_Jules
There is no denying some of the tax cuts now implemented will affect some households, it certainly will ours and we'll be worse off this year than last, the NI contribution and other such hidden rises will have us having to cut out cloth a little but you appear to blame Cameron?
So, how else would you propose the deficit is reduced? Labour policies over the last decade have left the UK in a mess, Govt's along with consumers cannot spend spend spend without there being consequences?
The economy is fecked, it's weak and in my opinion much worse than what is being reported but we have to start somewhere re paying back.
No Govt no matter what party elected would have been able to avoid tax cuts, it's not specific to Tory.
Andy

double quote:
So, how else would you propose the deficit is reduced? Labour policies over the last decade have left the UK in a mess, Govt's along with consumers cannot spend spend spend without there being consequences?
OK how about not giving £650million to Pakistan to help with thier education system, haven't we done enough for them over the years, perhaps our ancestors did take advantage of Colonial Rule, I think a lot of Pakistanis have since taken advantage of what we offered in return, British Commonwealth status, British Passport status, the right to live in England (all at one time freely given and taken up by many)
We could tell the EU to make our payments fairer or we leave the EU altogether, why should we pay more than equally populateion size member countries, why should we pay an increased subscription so that poorer countries like Lithuania can become members.
Why should they be allowed to dictate laws to us and enforce them whilst allowing France to flount laws such as free right of trade passage (blocking UK Ports) or refusing to sell British Beef long after the Foot n Mouth scare was pronounced safe by the EU?

7 Apr 2011

Quote by neilinleeds
Rob, but at a time when the Govt and the NCB were still talking about the closure of a mere handful of uneconomic pits ((( I think it was around 20 out of the 174 still working in 1983, employing around 20 000 men between them out of a total workforce of 200 000 nationally? ))) Scargill was absolutely bang on the money in predicting the true scale of the planned pit closure programme and resultant lob losses, wasn't he? ;) yes he did but there was no need for him to load up the pit closure barrow on the governments behalf

N x x x ;)

i believe thatcher and co
lit a sticky bomb
scargill got the miners to pick it up !!!
i hear he enjoys a good standard of living and always has ?

7 Apr 2011

think we have been there on this subject befor rob
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/320034.html
there are many points of interest there about the miners and mr scargil
history is a wonderful thing and not seeing mr scargil on the tv every night is a big bonus too many peeple.

7 Apr 2011

Quote by MidsCouple24
snip...
Why should they be allowed to dictate laws to us and enforce them whilst allowing France to flount laws such as free right of trade passage (blocking UK Ports) or refusing to sell British Beef long after the Foot n Mouth scare was pronounced safe by the EU?

France rulez OK :thumbup:
France gets fined by the EU almost weekly for something or other. They just ignore it and stick it on the spike in the Elysée Palace, do the Gaelic shrug for which they are famous and say "c'est normal eh!"
The Greeks have never paid a fine... and the Italians threaten to blow off kneecaps and put severed horse's heads in the bed chambers of the Commissioners.
If you want to blame somebody then start with Bliar and Brown; They gave away all the UK's veto's with nothing in return.

7 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
snip...
Why should they be allowed to dictate laws to us and enforce them whilst allowing France to flount laws such as free right of trade passage (blocking UK Ports) or refusing to sell British Beef long after the Foot n Mouth scare was pronounced safe by the EU?

France rulez OK :thumbup:
France gets fined by the EU almost weekly for something or other. They just ignore it and stick it on the spike in the Elysée Palace, do the Gaelic shrug for which they are famous and say "c'est normal eh!"
The Greeks have never paid a fine... and the Italians threaten to blow off kneecaps and put severed horse's heads in the bed chambers of the Commissioners.
If you want to blame somebody then start with Bliar and Brown; They gave away all the UK's veto's with nothing in return.
Think you will find it was Edward Heath that took us into the then "common market"
In 1975, the referendum of the people voted to stay.
Think its well past time we left now though.
After 2 attempts by the Germans to take over Europe with force, they did it by politics instead.
The £4 billion it looks like we have to pay to save Portugal, would pay the interest of our dept. for a while

7 Apr 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
snip...
Why should they be allowed to dictate laws to us and enforce them whilst allowing France to flount laws such as free right of trade passage (blocking UK Ports) or refusing to sell British Beef long after the Foot n Mouth scare was pronounced safe by the EU?

France rulez OK :thumbup:
France gets fined by the EU almost weekly for something or other. They just ignore it and stick it on the spike in the Elysée Palace, do the Gaelic shrug for which they are famous and say "c'est normal eh!"
The Greeks have never paid a fine... and the Italians threaten to blow off kneecaps and put severed horse's heads in the bed chambers of the Commissioners.
If you want to blame somebody then start with Bliar and Brown; They gave away all the UK's veto's with nothing in return.
Think you will find it was Edward Heath that took us into the then "common market"
In 1975, the referendum of the people voted to stay.
Think its well past time we left now though.
After 2 attempts by the Germans to take over Europe with force, they did it by politics instead.
The £4 billion it looks like we have to pay to save Portugal, would pay the interest of our dept. for a while
i think you`ll find we only pledge it or go guarantee as its also called wink

7 Apr 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
Think you will find it was Edward Heath that took us into the then "common market"
In 1975, the referendum of the people voted to stay.
Think its well past time we left now though.
After 2 attempts by the Germans to take over Europe with force, they did it by politics instead.
The £4 billion it looks like we have to pay to save Portugal, would pay the interest of our dept. for a while

Our Department (16 - Charente) doesn't owe that much...
As for the Common Market, it was a fine idea. Then, like most, it was hijacked.
I'm a committed European. I like Europe and our presence in France is a product of the The Union. I would not like to see it change to the extent that the UK withdraws. However, the gravy train that is the Commission is the thing that has to be pulled in to line. It's got completely out of hand and needs radical reform - NOW!

7 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Can I suggest this - gentleman as a starting point for studying the Tory governments role in the decimation of British industry

And this for bloody minded self destruction of the unions, and probably the best proof in history that normally intelligent men will follow any idiot

As has already been said Rob we've done this before.....and as I asked then ,how many pits did Scargill close??
The unions I freely admit played their hand very badly in the 80's but the Tory government had one purpose in dismantling manufacturing industry in this country....and that was the erosion and eventual destruction of the unions grass roots
As I've said before the history of the latter quarter of the 20th century in this country is that of the forced ascendency of the middle classes,and that required the destruction of working class political representation.....they succeeded and are now reaping the rewards....tuck in while you can the cupboard is nearly bare

8 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Can I suggest this - gentleman as a starting point for studying the Tory governments role in the decimation of British industry

And this for bloody minded self destruction of the unions, and probably the best proof in history that normally intelligent men will follow any idiot

As has already been said Rob we've done this before.....and as I asked then ,how many pits did Scargill close??
He closed the same amount of pits as thatcher killed agies in the Falkland war
its a very churlish argument !!
as i stated before both side`s where equally fucking useless in resolving problems and both left a catastrophic legacy so i stand by my sticky bomb statement
since the miners strike has scargill ever fallen on hard time financially or otherwise ?
scargill was self serving and still is you only need to look at that nice little (big actually )property he owns
do the members of his political party not wonder why he preaches Marxist views but lives a very opposite and comfortable life ??
The unions I freely admit played their hand very badly in the 80's but the Tory government had one purpose in dismantling manufacturing industry in this country....and that was the erosion and eventual destruction of the unions grass roots
As I've said before the history of the latter quarter of the 20th century in this country is that of the forced ascendency of the middle classes,and that required the destruction of working class political representation.....they succeeded and are now reaping the rewards....tuck in while you can the cupboard is nearly bare
we was always heading this way when people stopped buying British ffs
the British car industry is one of the best examples of why we are at this point in history
lets face it the french don`t buy Renault's because they look good or are reliable
the buy em because there french ffs

8 Apr 2011

The French are very French Rob :giggle:
No BL rubbish here :thumbup:
Whatever happened to Red Robbo?

8 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
He closed the same amount of pits as thatcher killed agies in the Falkland war
its a very churlish argument !!

And yours is a bad analogy....I don't think Thatcher ordered the troops into the Falklands in order to try and save the Argentinians.....And I don't think Scargill ordered any strikes..they were voted for by the different areas

Quote by Lizaleanrob
as i stated before both side`s where equally fucking useless in resolving problems and both left a catastrophic legacy so i stand by my sticky bomb statement

And I didn't comment on that statement , but this one.....

Quote by Lizaleanrob
And this for bloody minded self destruction of the unions, and probably the best proof in history that normally intelligent men will follow any idiot

Quote by Lizaleanrob
since the miners strike has scargill ever fallen on hard time financially or otherwise ?
scargill was self serving and still is you only need to look at that nice little (big actually )property he owns
do the members of his political party not wonder why he preaches Marxist views but lives a very opposite and comfortable life ??

I think we've done this before too.......do members of the Tory party (avowed capitalists) not make use of state funded health and education ? When was the last time you saw one of the Tory blue rinse set getting on a bus and not using their bus pass ?? Being paid a decent wage is just that, it is not proof of hypocrisy. I have no doubt Arthur would love for the many miners Mrs Thatcher threw on the scrap heap to have the same standard of living he does....the fact that they don't is not proof of his betrayal but that of our society

Quote by Lizaleanrob
we was always heading this way when people stopped buying British ffs
the British car industry is one of the best examples of why we are at this point in history
lets face it the french don`t buy Renault's because they look good or are reliable
the buy em because there french ffs

The roots lie much deeper than that …..see messrs Corbett,Barker and Cleese on, that was the week that was, in the 60's....there is in that sketch the realisation of the middle classes loss of power,of financial and political clout ...there is (if you can find it anywhere) the quiet sound of the worm turning in the background. You can follow in the media from the late 60's onwards the working classes transformation from salt of the earth to scum of the earth. I don't and wouldn't go as far as to shout conspiracy, but there is purpose and the Thatcher government were the zenith of that purpose

8 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
The roots lie much deeper than that …..see messrs Corbett,Barker and Cleese on, that was the week that was, in the 60's....there is in that sketch the realisation of the middle classes loss of power,of financial and political clout ...there is (if you can find it anywhere) the quiet sound of the worm turning in the background. You can follow in the media from the late 60's onwards the working classes transformation from salt of the earth to scum of the earth. I don't and wouldn't go as far as to shout conspiracy, but there is purpose and the Thatcher government were the zenith of that purpose

You mean this one from the Frost Report?

I don't see any of the things that you speak of in that sketch. We must view it differently? dunno