Hi all
I would like to raise the question, what do the descriptions people use to describe themselves actually say about them.
My gripe is the "professional, eg we are a professional couple"
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Any thoughts on this welcome, i have the asbestos underwear to protect me from the flames.
Simes
PS yeah yeah I am a bloke who is married looking for couples, the oh so elusive genuine couple, and have just had a nice lonely sit in a car park thanks to someone (albeit a prefessional couple) who didn't have the courage to just say sorry mate we don't fancy you.
So yes i am down in the dumps.
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Your question seems to be an excuse to slag off a couple who let you down for whatever reason. Whilst your annoyance is understandable I also think that you will be inadvertantly offending quite a few other people at the same time.
Also I really don't think it's going to do you any favours.
Also I really don't think it's going to do you any favours.
Quote by Master_Simon
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
Id have to disagree with that, i have no formal education, i threw mine away, wasted it
my job now, involves safety critical work, im at the level of Engineering Supervisor, which means im able to control worksites of over 100 personnel, with projects to be started and completed in a single weekend
I consider myself to be a professional, as its not a position that can be given to a guy just walked in off the street, i have worked hard to get where i am
sorry, gripe over
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Hi all
I would like to raise the question, what do the descriptions people use to describe themselves actually say about them.
My gripe is the "professional, eg we are a professional couple"
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Any thoughts on this welcome, i have the asbestos underwear to protect me from the flames.
Simes
PS yeah yeah I am a bloke who is married looking for couples, the oh so elusive genuine couple, and have just had a nice lonely sit in a car park thanks to someone (albeit a prefessional couple) who didn't have the courage to just say sorry mate we don't fancy you.
So yes i am down in the dumps.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:It must be a gripe of a fair few people - I remember ages and ages ago, someone mentioning the same thing. I never noticed it until they said it, and now it bugs me all the time :lol2:
When people say they're "professional" ........... big deal
What are they trying to explain??"hey, shag me and you might catch some of my professional"
:dunno:I don't understand what people are trying to say when they explain they're professional :confused: :dunno: Or more what it's got to do with swinging :dunno:
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Hi all
I would like to raise the question, what do the descriptions people use to describe themselves actually say about them.
My gripe is the "professional, eg we are a professional couple"
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Any thoughts on this welcome, i have the asbestos underwear to protect me from the flames.
Simes
PS yeah yeah I am a bloke who is married looking for couples, the oh so elusive genuine couple, and have just had a nice lonely sit in a car park thanks to someone (albeit a prefessional couple) who didn't have the courage to just say sorry mate we don't fancy you.
So yes i am down in the dumps.
Context is everything
Someone who gets paid for something is a professional someone who doesn't is an amatuer.
If you're using it as a class thing, your guess is as good as mine. I haven't got a degree and only part-time education qualifications however I suspect most people would say I was in a profession and therefore professional.
Not really an answer sorry.
I'm a professional according to Simons description, but I thought this may be useful. Taken from wikipedia:
A professional provides a service in exchange for payment in accordance with established protocols for licensing, ethics, procedures, standards of service and training/certification. A professional is a member of a licensing body which is legally established within the laws of a given state, county, province or nation.
The term "professional" is widely used to refer to individuals with recognized expertise within a field of endeavor even though they are not a member of a licensing body or legal entity. The distinction between professional sports and amateur sports simply refers to how the athlete is funded. Similarly the distinction within creative pursuits between professional and amateur becomes somewhat grey.
Historically, behaving professionally would indicate that the person's actions remain in accordance with specific rules, written or unwritten, pertaining to behavior, dress, speech, etc. By extension, the adjective professional identified somebody recognized for expertise or skill in a craft or activity.
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I'm a professional according to Simons description, but I thought this may be useful. Taken from wikipedia:
A professional provides a service in exchange for payment in accordance with established protocols for licensing, ethics, procedures, standards of service and training/certification. A professional is a member of a licensing body which is legally established within the laws of a given state, county, province or nation.
The term "professional" is widely used to refer to individuals with recognized expertise within a field of endeavor even though they are not a member of a licensing body or legal entity. The distinction between professional sports and amateur sports simply refers to how the athlete is funded. Similarly the distinction within creative pursuits between professional and amateur becomes somewhat grey.
Historically, behaving professionally would indicate that the person's actions remain in accordance with specific rules, written or unwritten, pertaining to behavior, dress, speech, etc. By extension, the adjective professional identified somebody recognized for expertise or skill in a craft or activity.
Me too
Sexlightened
This is a difficult one,
What people are trying to do is match there social levels with the other people.
but saying I am middle class you look like a prat
What people are trying to do is match there social levels with the other people.
but saying I am middle class you look like a prat
managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Not to annoy, just a point of view however do sales people not learn about what they are selling and do managers not learn how to manage people?
Education can come in many forms in my experiance (what little I have) the best way to learn is to get off your arse and get out there.
There are instances where companys are run by Learned Individuals that dont actually know anything about what they are doing.
Like I said an opinion not an argument.
Not to annoy, just a point of view however do sales people not learn about what they are selling and do managers not learn how to manage people?
Education can come in many forms in my experiance (what little I have) the best way to learn is to get off your arse and get out there.
There are instances where companys are run by Learned Individuals that dont actually know anything about what they are doing.
Like I said an opinion not an argument.
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Context is everything
Someone who gets paid for something is a professional someone who doesn't is an amatuer.
If you're using it as a class thing, your guess is as good as mine.
:thumbup:
I'm a professional.
But I drive a truck :shock:
I'm professional in most things I do. Including having fun.
If I can't do something well, or think that I can become good at doing something, I tend not to do it.
I must admit to laughing, in not a good way, when I see in Photo Ads and profiles . . "We are/I am professional and expect the same"
I can't help but see it as a class/snobbery thing and since our return to "trawling, with purpose" seeing that line or similar has the same result for me as cock shots, cheaters and ignorance do to HLB.
Fair comment all round, yes I am hacked off, but being a single (or not) guy maybe I should be used to it by now?
Oh and yes the middle class thing in my mind conjours up Terry & June and Margot & Jerry.
Maybe it is the class thing? The couple in question did reitterate several times what a GSOL they enjoyed, is that supposed to impress? It can be easy to appear to have a good standard of living with credit etc so easliy available these days, paying back the credit is another matter, but it's hard to describe yourself as happy with my car and tiny mortgage thanks, doesn't scan quite so well.
Then if i was that satisfied would i be looking elsewhere maybe??
Another thing is, honestly speaking some of the kindest people I have met would previously have been classed as working class, no pretentions, just honest folk.
Or maybe to put another aspect on the argument (not nasty argument you understand but the correct usage of the term as I understand it) is if you are a Professional Couple" maybe you are not looking for chavs? is that fair?
questions questions many questions.
I welcome all informed debate, lets keep this civilised eh? I think despite my previous rant I may have raised a question worthy of debate.
Simon
Oh and yes the middle class thing in my mind conjours up Terry & June and Margot & Jerry.
Maybe it is the class thing? The couple in question did reitterate several times what a GSOL they enjoyed, is that supposed to impress? It can be easy to appear to have a good standard of living with credit etc so easliy available these days, paying back the credit is another matter, but it's hard to describe yourself as happy with my car and tiny mortgage thanks, doesn't scan quite so well.
Then if i was that satisfied would i be looking elsewhere maybe??
Another thing is, honestly speaking some of the kindest people I have met would previously have been classed as working class, no pretentions, just honest folk.
Or maybe to put another aspect on the argument (not nasty argument you understand but the correct usage of the term as I understand it) is if you are a Professional Couple" maybe you are not looking for chavs? is that fair?
questions questions many questions.
I welcome all informed debate, lets keep this civilised eh? I think despite my previous rant I may have raised a question worthy of debate.
Simon
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This is a difficult one,
What people are trying to do is match there social levels with the other people.
but saying I am middle class you look like a prat
Sexlightened
mabe middle class is the wrong word. but we like to meet people were we are on the same level and that is very difficult to express in an advert.
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my job now, involves safety critical work, im at the level of Engineering Supervisor, which means im able to control worksites of over 100 personnel, with projects to be started and completed in a single weekend
I consider myself to be a professional, as its not a position that can be given to a guy just walked in off the street, i have worked hard to get where i am
So you have reached that level with absolutely no formal training what so ever?
Blimey you have worked hard then!
Another misuse of the term I heard was a the secretary at a company I used to work for, she had a serious plum this girl, she was saying to the other girls in the office how nice her new flat was, how nice the area was, surrounded by young professional types, she did look a bit miffed when i commented bet they are chuffed to have a clerk moving in then, she couldn't see it, she really classed herself as a professional, she could type quite fast though.......
Sex God
Quote by Kiss
Your question seems to be an excuse to slag off a couple who let you down for whatever reason. Whilst your annoyance is understandable I also think that you will be inadvertantly offending quite a few other people at the same time.
Also I really don't think it's going to do you any favours.
Yep, absolutely agree with this.
Sex God
I am "learned" by anyone's standards, but use my qualifications as a sign of my "class" and you'll probably be dissapointed. Am I professional cos I'm learned..?? Dunno.... does it matter? Not to me :? :? :? :?
:? :? :? :? Quote by Master_Simon
So you have reached that level with absolutely no formal training what so ever?
I have had training, both on courses, and from actually working, but the way i read it, i could only call myself professional ifi have been to a place of further education for at least 2 years
I come from a working class background but I am employed as a 'professional' and I am lucky to have a good standard of living. Each person is entitled to seek or advertise who they desire. However if somebody, whether a couple or a single, ever came across to me as looking down their nose at a certain type/class of individual, I would know that they are not the kind of person I would want to spend much time on.
I have a friend who is a leading composer, another close friend who is a 'pop star' and my best friend is a waitress. But these friends are also the sort of people who couldn't care less if I was a maths professor or a litter picker. I really couldn't give a toss about class or money.
I have a friend who is a leading composer, another close friend who is a 'pop star' and my best friend is a waitress. But these friends are also the sort of people who couldn't care less if I was a maths professor or a litter picker. I really couldn't give a toss about class or money.
The way that you come across is that these so called unprofessional people are beneath the "professional" people. What gives you the right to judge these people? No matter if you have a degree or have climbed the ladder yourself to where you are it doesnt matter. If you work hard and are good at your chosen profession then i think you are professional.
Sex God
I think the terms "professional" and "snob" are being confused here. I go drinking with several professors... surely they are considered "learned" and professional and they are the most down to earth people imaginable. i know lots of people who are snobs, some learned, some not.
get my drift?
get my drift?
Sex God
Quote by Master_Simon
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Well I'm totally confused now......I studied at uni for 4 years to masters level in a proffessional qualification.....so by this definition am a professional. But I am now in fact in a sales role.....so I can't be.....
To me it doesn't matter what people do for a living, what education they've had or the fact that their second cousins dogs mother won Crufts in 1986.....
for me the people I class as friends (in both the swinging world and the vanilla one)are people who I can have a laugh with and that I trust and know will be there for me if I need them.......who people are is about much more than education.........
I would like to add that whilst I'm "a salesperson" I have had to take a professional , industry recognised qualification which you have to take within 2 years of entering this field.
Also I have had 9 weeks of intensive "classroom" training on my products so I sorry I don't fit your perception of professional but I have worked hard to fit mine and my customers !
Also I have had 9 weeks of intensive "classroom" training on my products so I sorry I don't fit your perception of professional but I have worked hard to fit mine and my customers !
Sex God
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Another misuse of the term I heard was a the secretary at a company I used to work for, she had a serious plum this girl, she was saying to the other girls in the office how nice her new flat was, how nice the area was, surrounded by young professional types, she did look a bit miffed when i commented bet they are chuffed to have a clerk moving in then, she couldn't see it, she really classed herself as a professional, she could type quite fast though.......
actually I find this comment of yours quite offensive.......I can't believe the way you are belittling someone who plays an important role in a company........to me being a secretary is actually an important job that I would describe as professional and if i'm honest a job that I couldn't do myself.....
I think at times that people forget how important the roles of people that they deem to be below them actually are......I know for one that within the team that I work in the most important people to be are the admin staff that support my role......they are actually the people who keep the whole team going and without them the rest of the department would be lost......they have a massive work load and I always feel guilty if I do something that will then increase their work load through my mistake but always make sure that they know how much I apprieciate what they do......
or actually thinking about it......from what you say it sounds more like you were just jealous that her daddy bought her a nice flat......
Sex God
Quote by Master_Simon
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Actually before I leave this thread alone cos your attitude is annoying, Master_Simon... where did you get your definition of "professional" from? You say that a professional is someone who has spent a minimum of 2 years in HE... well to qualify under your definition isn't that fantastic anyway as 2 years in He won't even get you an undergrad degree! what if someone did the full 3 years as an undergrad but graduated with bollox, and they then went working at McDonalds serving burgers cos they culdn't get a "professional" job? I am not belittling people who sell burgers here, I simply using it as an example. I see so many people in this situation, it really isn't that funny tbh.
And sooooooooooooooooo............... someone with a crap degree could call themselves professional but someone who had started their own business from scratch and become a multi millionnaire through sheer hard work could not call themselves professional?
Methinks you need a re-think!!!!
I think many people use the term 'professional' to mean (and say, in a very short-hand way) 'I have a career that could be jeopardised by being (outed as) a swinger therefore discretion is expected'
there are others of course who use it as a form of snobbery, but you can usually tell by the wording of the rest of the ad. I dont think of it as truly meaning the type of job someone does is a deciding factor in whether people play together or not..... but obviously it is to Simon.
there are others of course who use it as a form of snobbery, but you can usually tell by the wording of the rest of the ad. I dont think of it as truly meaning the type of job someone does is a deciding factor in whether people play together or not..... but obviously it is to Simon.
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The way that you come across is that these so called unprofessional people are beneath the "professional" people. What gives you the right to judge these people? No matter if you have a degree or have climbed the ladder yourself to where you are it doesnt matter. If you work hard and are good at your chosen profession then i think you are professional.
If it appears that i want to belittle the lesser qualified people then please, stop!
I am trying to make the point that i despise people who call themselves professionals to make themselves feel better than say the burger flipper who may well have a masters, and I don't think I'm alone here, my point about the secretary who in this case was not over worked judging by how much time she spent filing her nails but thought she was above the others because she spoke with a plum.
maybe it's a can of worms, but i'm not shying from my feelings.
Simon
Sex God
Quote by Master_Simon
Hi all
I would like to raise the question, what do the descriptions people use to describe themselves actually say about them.
My gripe is the "professional, eg we are a professional couple"
To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.
I did'nt sit in higher education but started my career straight from school 25 years ago. I am damned good at it, I love it and yes I am paid for it (which in my book makes it professional)
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
You know how I feel now then in light of your paragraph above! I find it highly offensive to anyone that is in the careers you have highlighted.
Any thoughts on this welcome, i have the asbestos underwear to protect me from the flames.
Simes
PS yeah yeah I am a bloke who is married looking for couples, the oh so elusive genuine couple, and have just had a nice lonely sit in a car park thanks to someone (albeit a prefessional couple) who didn't have the courage to just say sorry mate we don't fancy you.
So yes i am down in the dumps.
So you thought you'de come and take it out on us
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, just to emphasise a point about how peoples perceptions of being professional and/or educated differ.
Take a read back through this thread. The first thing that hit me was the fact that the only posts in defence of such terminology in adverts are littered with errors.
Those of you who know me will know that is just an observation, not a personal slight.
So who's going to be the first to spot a spelling mistake in this post then?
:giggle:
Take a read back through this thread. The first thing that hit me was the fact that the only posts in defence of such terminology in adverts are littered with errors.
Those of you who know me will know that is just an observation, not a personal slight.
So who's going to be the first to spot a spelling mistake in this post then?
:giggle:
Orgasminator
Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!
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Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!
Good comment, i like it.
i might like to reitterate that i dislike the term professional not how professional you might be at your job, after all anyone gets paid must be a professional, the quoted comment sums up my thoughts.
Simon
PS the comment regarding spelling is ironic given the state of spelling from the average graduate these days, govt statistics state this, we all rely on spell checkers far too much.
Sex God
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
So if i'm reading this right this is something important to you when you are looking for sexual partners? and you agree with what Tania said about professional meaning people not on benefits? or have I got that all arse upwards?
So if i'm reading this right this is something important to you when you are looking for sexual partners? and you agree with what Tania said about professional meaning people not on benefits? or have I got that all arse upwards?
