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quick one for you parents out there - Dark's having a dilemma lol
Daughter (age 7....... going on 17 rolleyes) has extended her Xmas list to include practically a mountain of 'Playboy' stuff :roll:
what I would like to know, in your oppinion, is whether this brand is 'acceptable' or not for a child?
I'm having a little issue in my head as to wether its 'just a brand ffs, get over it' or whether because its 'Playboy' she isnt getting any! I really dont know dunno
There's a massive range of stuff being marketed at 'girlies' - what she's seeing as 'pink', 'bunny' and 'trendy'..... from hot water bottle covers to hair straighteners to quilt covers - she wants a 'Playboy bedroom' with all the trimmings :shock: and I see an overpriced pile of logo shite unfortunately associated with things a parent of a 7 year old girl shouldnt be endorsing confused
your views please - I have to shop today :lol:
edited to add - p.s - apparently "all my friends are getting Playboy gear this year Mum, you're just being a cow" :shock:
All you gotta think of is what happens when she discovers where the brand name origionted or what other lines of business they are involved in :shock:
Dont think my daughter would get it..
As a parent also, but thankfully a boy, I too would have serious concerns about a young child having playboy logos all over their bedroom. Their childhoods are getting shorter and shorter these days ... let them stay children for as long as possible. Oh and also the cost of these items is prohibitive ... a bit like football paraphenalia ... out of all proportion to their worth :smile2:
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edited to add - p.s - apparently "all my friends are getting Playboy gear this year Mum, you're just being a cow" :shock:

If it helps I'm being a cow to my seven year old too wink I have refused to buy her any playboy stuff. My stance is that she can have pink and fluffy without having that particular brand associated with it. I don't do brands and labels fullstop to be honest
wink
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If it helps I'm being a cow to my seven year old too wink I have refused to buy her any playboy stuff. My stance is that she can have pink and fluffy without having that particular brand associated with it. I don't do brands and labels fullstop to be honest

:thumbup: - see this is the other bit of my gripe about this - she can by all means have the pink fluffy girly stuff that's half the price without the damn bunny logo....... because I REALLY begrudge paying stupid money for a logo (£20 for a cushion :shock: and £30 for a 'barstool' type chair when I can get EXACTLY the same thing in Ikea for a fiver, it just doesnt have the bunny on it rolleyes)
I really dislike the fact they're marketing this stuff at children (teenagers I supose but to me that's worse - impressionable young girls & their parents endorsing 'Playboy' as a brand ..... when the kids who are wearing/ owning this stuff have no idea about what the logo 'means' (if it means anything at all - maybe its just me lol)
but...... I'm afraid I am the type of parent that, if she asks, she gets redface - i'm just not sure on this one because in my head its overpriced tack & its just not 'appropriate' dunno
I'm with you on this DF :shock:
I'm appalled at some of the fashions aimed at young girls lately. I know we all did it to emulate a grown up and make us look and feel a bit older ( my first pair of hot pants were my pride and joy for a long time ) but things were different and society allowed kids to be kids for as long as possible. Unfortunately, that's no longer the case these days and for these companies to target young girls and encourage them to dress/act/behave inapproriately is totally irresponsible IMO and the Playboy image, being originally to denote mens porn mags, is a prime example of this irresponsibility
One example happened about 4 years ago when my son used to do kick boxing. One of the other boys used to be collected by his mum and sister, who couldn't have been more than 9. One night she was wearing a mini skirt and cropped t shirt that said 'Too many boys, not enough time' :shock:
All I could think of was 'jailbait' :shock:
I'd have an issue with the price, not the fact that the gear says "playboy" on it. £20 for a cushion is just plain Stooooopid!!!! Sorry I can't be of more help!
:thumbup: .
God, parenthood is crap isnt it lol
I'm off to get the pen set (so she can take it to school and have playboy pens like her mates and not be left out...but they're 'subtle' enough to be (borderline) acceptable...... she isnt getting the 'bedroom', I'm just not cool with that at all :sad: and yep Blue I agree, £20 for a cushion just isnt happening :lol:
i'm still pissed that this stuff is aimed at kids though, there's something just not right about that mad
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i'm still pissed that this stuff is aimed at kids though, there's something just not right about that mad

I couldn't agree more.
Good luck dark hun................
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I'm not a parent, so my opinion may not be valid although i do have one.
seeing *children* these days having such things as these branded items pushed at them, the pressure the children put on thier parents after exposure to advertising and from thier peers, and of course the inappropraiteness of some of the gear itsself for young children, mainly girls, really boils my goat >and mixes my metaphors!<
The *loss of childhood* has been mentioned previously... as has the phrase *jailbait*...
and it always seems the parents are blamed for surrendering to a childs whims and fancies, though i fully understand the pressures they are under... from media, thier own children, parental and childrens peergroup pressure, and the massive power of the market forces!
what to do?
It can't be easy at all
Kudos to parents... I couldnt do it thats for sure
I'd be the awfull father, particularly to a daughter..
my mantra:
**you aint going out dressed like THAT!**
errm... did I actually express an opinion there?.. can't remember
lp
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Good luck dark hun................
I'm just waiting for the thigh boot suggestion, which seems to be a bit of a craze at the moment........... BIG SCISSORS come to mind biggrin

'kin ell! I was 44 before I had my first pair of thigh boots! :shock:
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I'm just waiting for the thigh boot suggestion, which seems to be a bit of a craze at the moment...........

:scared:
we;ve already progressed from 'proper' Clarkes shoes to wedge heeled suede knee boots at £50 a pair :shock: I dont think i can take much more :shock:
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My stance is that she can have pink and fluffy without having that particular brand associated with it. I don't do brands and labels fullstop to be honest

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:thumbup: I agree entirely with what you are saying Sassy. My eldest is now 11yrs old and she is not allowed a skirt up her ass (which sadly to say, most of her friends do have) I am an absolute bitch to her when it comes to this rolleyes I do go halfway though, she is allowed a belly top in summer with canvas trsrs not a skirt biggrin If she has a shorter skirt on - tights are worn in winter, and in summer she cant put it with the belly top :P So all in all, she does get some things but it is how she wears it that is closely monitored.

Our daughter is 9 going on 25 :roll: Absolutely no way would she be allowed Playboy stuff, allowed to wear short skirts and we dont do brand names either in this house....
You are not alone in this Dark kiss
Yup a lot of girls that age are getting Playboy stuff, unfortunately at that age most of them don't know what it represents.
A little older and they do and want it because of what it stands for.
I have a few friends with girls from 6-13 and they are facing the same dilemma.
A hard one tbh, if people go pink and fluffy without the logo the child's friends may not accept her as being part of the crowd (maybe not at 7 more so 10+), if people do get it, its throwing brand name sex at a young child.
Personally I would not purchase the items, kids need to be kids, they grow up much to fast these days.
Also at those prices its extortion (sp)
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If it helps I'm being a cow to my seven year old too wink I have refused to buy her any playboy stuff. My stance is that she can have pink and fluffy without having that particular brand associated with it. I don't do brands and labels fullstop to be honest

:thumbup: - see this is the other bit of my gripe about this - she can by all means have the pink fluffy girly stuff that's half the price without the damn bunny logo....... because I REALLY begrudge paying stupid money for a logo (£20 for a cushion :shock: and £30 for a 'barstool' type chair when I can get EXACTLY the same thing in Ikea for a fiver, it just doesnt have the bunny on it rolleyes)
I really dislike the fact they're marketing this stuff at children (teenagers I supose but to me that's worse - impressionable young girls & their parents endorsing 'Playboy' as a brand ..... when the kids who are wearing/ owning this stuff have no idea about what the logo 'means' (if it means anything at all - maybe its just me lol)
but...... I'm afraid I am the type of parent that, if she asks, she gets redface - i'm just not sure on this one because in my head its overpriced tack & its just not 'appropriate' dunno
worship
ONLY when enough parents take a stand (despite being called all the names....) will this descent end.
Pressure is building & building for 9 year old girls to look like sexual beings- we are at the top of a very, very slippery slope here.
IMHO the " but all my mates are allowed to wear it" does NOT justify it!
How long before we have watered down Ann Summers teen parties?
As far as the logo thing goes, no, I would not buy any of my 4 daughters aged 16-7, playboy stuff. All it's doing is perpetuating the problem.
In fact, I fundamentally refuse to be used as an advertising hoarding for ANY brand. I do my utmost to buy things without conspicuous logos.
WTF should I pay a company for the pleasure of advertising its product for them?
mad
Stand your ground DF- if you can't do it- what hopeis there for the rest of us?
i am geeting on my moral high horse and saying its wrong, i think these shops that are selling are just in away promoting an adult related brand...
if i had kids, my kids would be made to wear jeans trainers and football tops, regardless of male or female....!!!!!!!!!!
those of you who know me would know that....my daughter would certainly not have a skirt up her ass........
and any BF would get the come and speak to me chat......
the boy i would still be strict...but easy going..........
Mike
As a Father of 10yr old girl an 5yr old boy, i completely agree with you all. I've said this in prevoius thread that society is not taking our children's innocence and 'childhood' away from them. We are unders so much pressure to assimilate due to the marketing hype, and kids on stage singin songs that 20yrs ago would have been slapped with a bbc airwave ban. Do u remember FGTH and 'relax'
I have my own problem's too, as being an'absent Father' WTF is that anway? my daughter comes to me and says 'well, mum said I cud', Mum being obsessed with designer labels etc.
1 of the many reasons I left the B***H, so when I say no, I get both barrels!
cant win can i?
banghead
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I have my own problem's too, as being an'absent Father' WTF is that anway? my daughter comes to me and says 'well, mum said I cud', Mum being obsessed with designer labels etc.
1 of the many reasons I left the B***H, so when I say no, I get both barrels!
cant win can i?
banghead

I can assure you hun that they do adapt to living with two different sets of rules. I am far more strict with my children than their father is. They ask.... he gives. My kids come home from the weekend with their dad on the biggest sugar rush and incredibly tired through lack of sleep. I'm the "evil bitch mummy" who has a set bedtime routine, treats only when they are deserved and lavishes them with love rather than material goods.
My standard reply to the "but daddy said/lets us" type phrases is "mummy and daddy are different and we have different rules. This is mummy's house and my rules apply here. Daddy's rules apply when you're with your daddy." They haven't worked out a smart arsed reply to that one yet wink And over the past year daddy has learnt that any toys that I do not approve of will either end up in the bin, or be returned to him. I don't let my 6 and 4 year old boys play with toy guns, knives and swords because I actually hate the things, they have action men and drive them around in a jeep, but they just don't shoot each other lol
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I have my own problem's too, as being an'absent Father' WTF is that anway? my daughter comes to me and says 'well, mum said I cud', Mum being obsessed with designer labels etc.
1 of the many reasons I left the B***H, so when I say no, I get both barrels!
cant win can i?
banghead

I can assure you hun that they do adapt to living with two different sets of rules. I am far more strict with my children than their father is. They ask.... he gives. My kids come home from the weekend with their dad on the biggest sugar rush and incredibly tired through lack of sleep. I'm the "evil bitch mummy" who has a set bedtime routine, treats only when they are deserved and lavishes them with love rather than material goods.
My standard reply to the "but daddy said/lets us" type phrases is "mummy and daddy are different and we have different rules. This is mummy's house and my rules apply here. Daddy's rules apply when you're with your daddy." They haven't worked out a smart arsed reply to that one yet wink And over the past year daddy has learnt that any toys that I do not approve of will either end up in the bin, or be returned to him. I don't let my 6 and 4 year old boys play with toy guns, knives and swords because I actually hate the things, they have action men and drive them around in a jeep, but they just don't shoot each other lol
worship :worship: :worship: :worship:
I have had all those problems with my sons' father through out the years... he is a good dad in some many ways and we are lucky to have a good relationship. But he dealt with the absent parent thing by lavishing my son with sugar and toys/guns and all sorts of crap (violent games, labels etc etc )
after 13 years of being parented in two different ways our son knows that there are different rules for every situation and place. He understands others views readily and is open minded and wise. There have been times when he has pushed against my rules and there have been times where I felt that it might be easier to just ignore the problems that his dads' choices were causing. Thankfully I didn't.
I also don't do labels (initially cos I couldn't afford them latterly because I don't agree with the principle of them) and my son has had to learn to deal with others' attitudes towards him because of that. He now takes pride in not wearing labels as there is some kudos amongst his mates at being popular for other things.
Do what you can justify to yourself DF. and you will always be right.
I understand that completely, and i know how it is from your side, he just wants them to enjoy themselves with the time he has with them, i am not like that, i do have rules andwhen they come to me, i treat them no differently than i did before as much as i can anyhow.
its difficult cramming in a whole week in one fuppin day, but were getting used to it now.
my point was that she allows to dress her up in fancy stuff albeit not playboy, nor seedy....not me!
For god's sake my childhood was great, just being a boy doin boy stuff, yeah we fancied girls an all that but it was innocent and natural, not forced on us, we were more interested in playing foxes an hounds than labels and iconic figures wink such as that priceless princess- paris hilton!
had my say- hi ho hi ho its back to work i go...sigh.
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I understand that completely, and i know how it is from your side, he just wants them to enjoy themselves with the time he has with them, i am not like that, i do have rules andwhen they come to me, i treat them no differently than i did before as much as i can anyhow.
its difficult cramming in a whole week in one fuppin day, but were getting used to it now.
my point was that she allows to dress her up in fancy stuff albeit not playboy, nor seedy....not me!
For god's sake my childhood was great, just being a boy doin boy stuff, yeah we fancied girls an all that but it was innocent and natural, not forced on us, we were more interested in playing foxes an hounds than labels and iconic figures wink such as that priceless princess- paris hilton!
had my say- hi ho hi ho its back to work i go...sigh.

Just stick to your guns hun. Your rules are your rules and if they're still the same as before you left then the consistency is a good thing for them. Don't try and cram a whole week into a day though, you're putting too much stress on yourself. Just make the time you have with them special and they will reward you with love.
My childhood was great, I didn't start having arguments with my mum about what I could and couldn't wear until I was about 14. Was a bit of a tomboy up until then though so she couldn't exactly disapprove of jeans and sweaters lol
I 've told my children that santa can't afford to buy presents for all of the children in the world, but their mummies and daddies send as much money as they can afford to him. Santa buys their presents with this money and then delivers them on Christmas eve when they're asleep. It kind of got around the problem of being incredibly skint one christmas because the boiler broke down and had to be replaced just as I was about to start the christmas shopping. It also means if they don't like the presents then it's santa's fault and not mine :lol: My kids now ask what santa can afford to buy them this year rather than demanding more and more expensive gifts and hopefully as they grow they'll learn the value of money and that it's not completely necessary to have the biggest, flashiest designer label in everything.
My 10 year old daughter saw a playboy watch that she wanted. She doesn't know what the playboy logo stands for and just saw it as a nice girly pink item with a little bunny on it!
I said she couldn't have it because I do know what it stands for and find it completely unsuitable for young girls. (Mind you, some of their stuff is quite nice and I'd like it myself lol ) I agree that the playboy merchandise shouldn't be marketed at youngsters though.
I find it a constant battle just now, with my kids wanting to grow up too fast and always pushing the limits whether its wanting to see a film with an age limit above theirs or staying out that bit later etc etc.... confused
Oh the joys of parenthood! :lol:
Fee
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I 've told my children that santa can't afford to buy presents for all of the children in the world, but their mummies and daddies send as much money as they can afford to him. Santa buys their presents with this money and then delivers them on Christmas eve when they're asleep. It kind of got around the problem of being incredibly skint one christmas because the boiler broke down and had to be replaced just as I was about to start the christmas shopping. It also means if they don't like the presents then it's santa's fault and not mine lol My kids now ask what santa can afford to buy them this year rather than demanding more and more expensive gifts and hopefully as they grow they'll learn the value of money and that it's not completely necessary to have the biggest, flashiest designer label in everything.

rotflmao We tell our kids that too Celestria :lol2: Although our son at almost 12 now knows that "Santa" is really Mum and Dad.... We give them an amount that they can spend up to and they give me the list, from that I choose what I consider to be suitable items to buy. I cant abide spending money on tat either so the crappy presents are never bought by "Santa" :lol2:
Hi Dark
I have boys so not quite the same problem, however I am furious about marketing to children be it food, cereals, clothes, toys. Some clothes such as the Playboy range are totally inapporopraite for children, sending wrong messages out. The sexual link to me is wholly inappropriate.
I haven't got to a real pester power stage yet so am not in a position to speak from experience, (so I may change this view in a few years!) but as parent's we should vote with our feet. An example for me, i have never bought any kid's cereals/foods because they have a character on it, i refuse to pay more and get more additives and less real food just because it has so and so on the package.
To broach the subject of commercialism and the gimme gimme culture, I have found it useful to get kids to join in the Operation Christmas Child shoe box donating (just finished), kids above 5 or so can understand that the items in one box is all these kids get in any one year. These kids value these gifts (not discarded in 5 minutes) and look after them as if precious stones. It's a great lesson for our "rich" western kids.
Best of luck in doing whatever you feel is right for you and your daughter.
pink x
Although I've been in a relationship involving kids, I don't have any of my own, so all I can say is that the best thing to do is to trust your own judgement. I personally would let them have anything like that. However, you know your own child, and you know how mature they are and when it will be appropriate to discuss what "playboy" actually is with your child.
kiss
As the mother of a 16 year old daughter who had refused to wear anything but jeans or trousers since she was 11, I would love to see her in something more 'feminine and girly' sometimes, but I certainly wouldn't like her to wear the Playboy stuff.
I really don't think it is suitable clothing for young girls, and you are completely right to have strong feelings against it.
Stick to your guns. Fashions come and go. biggrin