I have a serious question for you people,....................
I know that there a many a views on depression and people's take on it.I wanted to know if people believe its all in the mind.I know that speaking yes it is ! but i mean some people dont agree with antidepressant's and that it's "mind over mind".
I find it very suprising how many people do suffer with this illness quite ironic really when, when u suffer with it you feel that your the only person in the world feeling this way.
Im not really one for taking paracetemol when i have a headache but are antidepressants all that good?? or do you think that some people need more help like talking to people and being part of organisations???
i know that each case of depression is completely different and that no-ones a medicine pro, but id appreciate your thoughts
many thanks
laura xx
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Depression-mind over mind?????
Sex God
The condition of depression is a change of chemical balance in the brain. What triggers it is still open to dispute.
My personal opinion is that its a mixture of environmental influences (stress, life problems etc) and an individuals biological make-up. Some people just seem prone to depression and once it starts it's a never-ending vicious circle.
Antidepressents usually affect the chemical balance in the brain and help the sufferer handle the day-to-day things in a better way or stabalise their moods. It's not really a cure, it's more like a sticking plaster until the sufferer can determine what's triggered them or has dealt with the problems in their lives.
Just my take anyway. I'm sure someone else has more information etc.
I do honestly believe that it is a physical problem, whether it's the environment or the chemical inbalance that causes the problem is probably different from sufferer to sufferer.
Sex God
think the best form of medicine for depression is the will power to get out of it, not easy to prescribe.
i remember having a conversation with a guy who had severe OCD, it was screwing up his life til one day he decided enough was enough and within 6 weeks he'd almost cured himself thorough will power.
now i know some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the body, so yes these probably need some medicinal counter balance, but a lot of depression appears to be rooted in a lack of satisfaction with some element of life which just ends up spiraling out of control, hence the comment on the will power.
any reason for asking lou, hope you are feeling ok?
i remember having a conversation with a guy who had severe OCD, it was screwing up his life til one day he decided enough was enough and within 6 weeks he'd almost cured himself thorough will power.
now i know some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the body, so yes these probably need some medicinal counter balance, but a lot of depression appears to be rooted in a lack of satisfaction with some element of life which just ends up spiraling out of control, hence the comment on the will power.
any reason for asking lou, hope you are feeling ok?
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think the best form of medicine for depression is the will power to get out of it, not easy to prescribe.
i remember having a conversation with a guy who had severe OCD, it was screwing up his life til one day he decided enough was enough and within 6 weeks he'd almost cured himself thorough will power.
now i know some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the body, so yes these probably need some medicinal counter balance, but a lot of depression appears to be rooted in a lack of satisfaction with some element of life which just ends up spiraling out of control, hence the comment on the will power.
any reason for asking lou, hope you are feeling ok?
Cause and effect, matey, ok, let's say that the depression is caused by the chemical alteration, what produces the chemical? What set's the trigger for the chemicals production? The brain does.
I'm no expert, but I know that the way you think, or what you focus on can cause biochemical changes in your brain and throughout your body.
Chris.
i dont suffer from depression but as far as i understand when some people are depressed they get them selfs ready and go out and enjoy themselfs with others who make them happy
dont think there are many doctors on here so all you will get is sympathy but i surpose thats good if thats what your looking for
but if your really depressed i should take a visit to the doctors and he will sort you out
sorry tryed to help :D
dont think there are many doctors on here so all you will get is sympathy but i surpose thats good if thats what your looking for
but if your really depressed i should take a visit to the doctors and he will sort you out
sorry tryed to help :D
Speaking from personal experience, anti-depressants can alter the chemaical balance in the body and give you a boost, helping you to get over the physical effects of the depression. By giving you a dose of Serotonin, the body is more able to cope with the problems you have
BUT
that is no good by itself. The root of the problem will keep causing the symptoms to reappear if they are not dealt with. That's why most doctors prescribing anti-depressants also refer people for counselling. A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
BUT
that is no good by itself. The root of the problem will keep causing the symptoms to reappear if they are not dealt with. That's why most doctors prescribing anti-depressants also refer people for counselling. A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
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that is no good by itself. The root of the problem will keep causing the symptoms to reappear if they are not dealt with. That's why most doctors prescribing anti-depressants also refer people for counselling. A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
Why the focu on Rogerian Therapy there Angel?
I have suffered from depression for may years and have been on all kinds of medication, personally i do not feel a good kick up the arse will cure depression like many think it will, depression is not something that will go away on its self, believe me i have tryed, i have taken myself off the medication and tryed get thro it on myself but it does not work like that, may people believe depression is not a real illness and is just a excuse for women to have a moan, but not only women suffer from it and i can't believe anyone likes to feel that way.
not everyones problems can be sloved thro talking tho, its a case of coming to tearms with what has caused the depression but some things just can't be come to tearms with no matter how hard you try, i was under a shrink for a couple of years she used to come out to my house once a week and in the end she just stopped coming and sent me a letter saying there was nothing more she could do for me
so i was left to cope alone
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A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
not everyones problems can be sloved thro talking tho, its a case of coming to tearms with what has caused the depression but some things just can't be come to tearms with no matter how hard you try, i was under a shrink for a couple of years she used to come out to my house once a week and in the end she just stopped coming and sent me a letter saying there was nothing more she could do for me
so i was left to cope alone Sex God
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think the best form of medicine for depression is the will power to get out of it, not easy to prescribe.
i remember having a conversation with a guy who had severe OCD, it was screwing up his life til one day he decided enough was enough and within 6 weeks he'd almost cured himself thorough will power.
now i know some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the body, so yes these probably need some medicinal counter balance, but a lot of depression appears to be rooted in a lack of satisfaction with some element of life which just ends up spiraling out of control, hence the comment on the will power.
any reason for asking lou, hope you are feeling ok?
Cause and effect, matey, ok, let's say that the depression is caused by the chemical alteration, what produces the chemical? What set's the trigger for the chemicals production? The brain does.
I'm no expert, but I know that the way you think, or what you focus on can cause biochemical changes in your brain and throughout your body.
Chris.
well i agree it can be major part of it, usually a drop in the seretonin levels, and the human body is well known for throwing the rattle for no good reason. But i still think there is a growing trend in the western world for wanting it all and wanting it now, but for very little effort, and when it doesn't happen some people seem to give up which develops into a form of depression and possible addiction to the quick fix medcines the health service seem too keen to dish out to get you out of the door. through my work and my general interst in all things unusual i've come to realise that the power of thought and determination can have some amazing results.
while i will happily dive for the nurofen if i have a head ache, im seeing many people i know get written off by modern medicine, all because it can't be fixed by pills. but with a few well chosen natural remedies and practices and a lot of self dedication these problems almost disappear. like the old saying goes 'you can accomplish almost anything if you put your mind to it'
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well i agree it can be major part of it, usually a drop in the seretonin levels, and the human body is well known for throwing the rattle for no good reason. But i still think there is a growing trend in the western world for wanting it all and wanting it now, but for very little effort, and when it doesn't happen some people seem to give up which develops into a form of depression and possible addiction to the quick fix medcines the health service seem too keen to dish out to get you out of the door. through my work and my general interst in all things unusual i've come to realise that the power of thought and determination can have some amazing results.
while i will happily dive for the nurofen if i have a head ache, im seeing many people i know get written off by modern medicine, all because it can't be fixed by pills. but with a few well chosen natural remedies and practices and a lot of self dedication these problems almost disappear. like the old saying goes 'you can accomplish almost anything if you put your mind to it'
Sounds good to me :thumbup:
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I have suffered from depression for may years and have been on all kinds of medication, personally i do not feel a good kick up the arse will cure depression like many think it will, depression is not something that will go away on its self, believe me i have tryed, i have taken myself off the medication and tryed get thro it on myself but it does not work like that, may people believe depression is not a real illness and is just a excuse for women to have a moan, but not only women suffer from it and i can't believe anyone likes to feel that way.
A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
not everyones problems can be sloved thro talking tho, its a case of coming to tearms with what has caused the depression but some things just can't be come to tearms with no matter how hard you try, i was under a shrink for a couple of years she used to come out to my house once a week and in the end she just stopped coming and sent me a letter saying there was nothing more she could do for me
so i was left to cope aloneCan I jump to Angel defence here, there are so many types of therapy out there, some of which you will be familiar, Freudian, Gestallt (shouting at inanimate objects), NLP, Rogerian (also call Person Centred Therapy), the Person Centre counsellor is more of a guide for you to develop your own solutions, they don't tell you how to get over it, nor do they tell you what your problems are, those are for you to work out. It's not a case of just talking through it either. I think that sort of treatment by a counsellor is just abysmal
Chris
Sex God
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well i agree it can be major part of it, usually a drop in the seretonin levels, and the human body is well known for throwing the rattle for no good reason. But i still think there is a growing trend in the western world for wanting it all and wanting it now, but for very little effort, and when it doesn't happen some people seem to give up which develops into a form of depression and possible addiction to the quick fix medcines the health service seem too keen to dish out to get you out of the door. through my work and my general interst in all things unusual i've come to realise that the power of thought and determination can have some amazing results.
while i will happily dive for the nurofen if i have a head ache, im seeing many people i know get written off by modern medicine, all because it can't be fixed by pills. but with a few well chosen natural remedies and practices and a lot of self dedication these problems almost disappear. like the old saying goes 'you can accomplish almost anything if you put your mind to it'
I hate to say this
but i actually agree with meaty 
Everything he said, is what i wanted to write.
Being an alternative therapist, and also having experience in using natural remedies, i have to say i will try not to take any conventional medicine.
But i do agree that the two work well together in some cases.
I dont suffer from depression, but i have had some down moments in my life.
During these times, all that worked for me, was appreciating what i do have, will power, personnel drive and dreams.
Hope you find answers baliffs :wink:
As someone who is just geting her life back after severe depression and who is also married to someone who has just been diagnosed with OCD and has just come out of the mental health unit and whose father has been in a mental health unit for 4 years- there are no right or wrong answers here.
For me medication with therapy helped a huge amount, however my dad has run the gauntlet of medication and therapies includinr electric convulsion treatment and a 18 month stay in a "specialist" miles away from his wife and family and he is worse now than he was a few years back.
So all I can say is walk your own path BUT on here you fill fiand a group of loving understaindng people some of whom have been there so can empathise, and some havent but they are all willing to listen and help wherever they can
Olive
For me medication with therapy helped a huge amount, however my dad has run the gauntlet of medication and therapies includinr electric convulsion treatment and a 18 month stay in a "specialist" miles away from his wife and family and he is worse now than he was a few years back.
So all I can say is walk your own path BUT on here you fill fiand a group of loving understaindng people some of whom have been there so can empathise, and some havent but they are all willing to listen and help wherever they can
Olive
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I have suffered from depression for may years and have been on all kinds of medication, personally i do not feel a good kick up the arse will cure depression like many think it will, depression is not something that will go away on its self, believe me i have tryed, i have taken myself off the medication and tryed get thro it on myself but it does not work like that, may people believe depression is not a real illness and is just a excuse for women to have a moan, but not only women suffer from it and i can't believe anyone likes to feel that way.
A good trained person-centred counsellor can help to get to the root of the depression and can help people solve their own problems
:angel: (trainee counsellor)
not everyones problems can be sloved thro talking tho, its a case of coming to tearms with what has caused the depression but some things just can't be come to tearms with no matter how hard you try, i was under a shrink for a couple of years she used to come out to my house once a week and in the end she just stopped coming and sent me a letter saying there was nothing more she could do for me
so i was left to cope aloneI agree with this as a fellow sufferer. What you have to remember though is there are 2 kinds of depression, reactive (when you become depressed through events) and clinical (where there is no known cause). I have had clinical depression and have been with and without medication. I have also tried many, many different kinds of medication before I found the right ones. When finding the right ones though it changed my life. I also had counselling etc, but I am not the sort of person who likes to "talk" about my problems with someone I don't know so this did not work for me.
If your depression is reactive you may be able to work through it without the need for medication, however I honestly believe that clinical depression can only be helped by the correct medication - and unfortunately this may take a long time to find!
Also, being down or having a depressing week cannot be considered as depression and you cannot compare it to that!
x
Casanova
Depression can be bought on by many many different things. I (mrs tigs) suffered with depression for years and had taken it to the level of not wanting to be here anymore.
When you are so depressed that all you see in the future is black and there is no light, and talking alone is not working, then antidepressants help.
I was lucky in the end, I didnt manage to end things and found a wonderful man that I could talk to and he could understand what I was going through and I came threough the other end.
There is also someone in my personal life very close to me that is going through severe depression at the moment and I can honestly say that a "Swift Kick up the Arse" is something that would not work and would probably push them totally very the edge.
All I can do is be there for that person and try and get them to talk and get them the help they need and also to keep them taking the anti-depressants as they are keeping this person at some form of normal level. They are still depressed while taking the tablets but hopefully while on them they will not get any lower and will not do something stupid.
When you are so depressed that all you see in the future is black and there is no light, and talking alone is not working, then antidepressants help.
I was lucky in the end, I didnt manage to end things and found a wonderful man that I could talk to and he could understand what I was going through and I came threough the other end.
There is also someone in my personal life very close to me that is going through severe depression at the moment and I can honestly say that a "Swift Kick up the Arse" is something that would not work and would probably push them totally very the edge.
All I can do is be there for that person and try and get them to talk and get them the help they need and also to keep them taking the anti-depressants as they are keeping this person at some form of normal level. They are still depressed while taking the tablets but hopefully while on them they will not get any lower and will not do something stupid.
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There is also someone in my personal life very close to me that is going through severe depression at the moment and I can honestly say that a "Swift Kick up the Arse" is something that would not work and would probably push them totally very the edge.
Very true, I suffered from reactive depression, verging on a total breakdown 10 or somthing years ago. Never had a relapse but I started to pull out of it when an art therapist got through to me. For me Drugs were a non starter, a family member had been addicted to them for many years and I refused them. Talking also did nothing, but I got to the point where I could not go out, had panic attacks, it was not nice.
In the end depression is a personal experience, everyones seems different and you need to find what will get you out of it. For some people this is a drug assisted route, for others counselling, for me art.
Can i also just add this is only my opinion and something i have decided thro my own personal experiences that if you do feel you need to talk to someone try a registared charity thats deal with your perticular problem, most are none payed people a bit like the CAB who give up their own time to help u and will have been thro the same kind of thing as u have, eg if your depression is caused by some form of abuse etc, talking to someone who had been there and fully understand how u feel is second to none and far better that someone being payed with no idea how the real world really works with their uni dagree in a frame on a wall, i'm sorry but all the class rooms in the world will never let u know what these things really feel like so its not really possable for them to fully understand you, i found much more help from a group of people who have all been thro the same kind of things as me, people can help u and tell u how to over come your problems from first hand experience, rather than from a text book
Casanova
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Can i also just add this is only my opinion and something i have decided thro my own personal experiences that if you do feel you need to talk to someone try a registared charity thats deal with your perticular problem, most are none payed people a bit like the CAB who give up their own time to help u and will have been thro the same kind of thing as u have, eg if your depression is caused by some form of abuse etc, talking to someone who had been there and fully understand how u feel is second to none and far better that someone being payed with no idea how the real world really works with their uni dagree in a frame on a wall, i'm sorry but all the class rooms in the world will never let u know what these things really feel like so its not really possable for them to fully understand you, i found much more help from a group of people who have all been thro the same kind of things as me, people can help u and tell u how to over come your problems from first hand experience, rather than from a text book
This is so true, through my own personal experiencem, it was these sort of professionals that got me through it, with the support of my special man and kids. Just hoping that this other person can find someone just as good.
i feel depressed right now but i know its not depression.
and i know the reason for it.
so i know i can pull myself back up sooner or later, wish it was sooner.
i have a friend with depression and shes on tablets which help her alot.
without them she cant function at all.
and no amount of will power will help her.
so there all kinds of depresion
not sure ive made any sense here.
hope i have.
and i know the reason for it.
so i know i can pull myself back up sooner or later, wish it was sooner.
i have a friend with depression and shes on tablets which help her alot.
without them she cant function at all.
and no amount of will power will help her.
so there all kinds of depresion
not sure ive made any sense here.
hope i have.
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Why the focu on Rogerian Therapy there Angel?
Just my personal preference as a counsellor. I have tried practising lots of different methods - Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, Rational Emotive Therapy, Humanistic, Gestalt, Solution-Focussed-Brief Therapy and good old fashioned Psychodynamic appraoches but I have found the person-centered appraoch to be the most useful in my own experience.
I truly believe that people have the ability to make themselves the best that they can be and that people can come to their own understanding of how to deal with their problems, given the right conditions.
I agree with Marmalaid that a counsellor who simply listens and does nothing is not really much use. The counsellors job is to prompt and suggest and offer ways of viewing the problem from different viewpoints until a solution is found, or at least a way of coping.
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Hugs for anyone feeling depressed tonight :therethere: :therethere: :therethere:
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Let me make you all feel better
Depression can be cured in lots of ways.
I've been depressed but have cured it without the use of anti-depressants using love and self esteem building from martial arts and the gym. My brother was also depressed and used anti depressants but with some bad side effects including constant shaking and lethargy. But he's now completely cured and i still have some bouts of it.
As you said Lou, each case can be cured based on it's individual merits, but taking small doses of anti depressants along with an active social life and some lovin is a good place to start.
I've been depressed but have cured it without the use of anti-depressants using love and self esteem building from martial arts and the gym. My brother was also depressed and used anti depressants but with some bad side effects including constant shaking and lethargy. But he's now completely cured and i still have some bouts of it.
As you said Lou, each case can be cured based on it's individual merits, but taking small doses of anti depressants along with an active social life and some lovin is a good place to start.
Sex God
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On a completely different note - where did you get the outfit in your avatar Caitlin? I wnat one!
I want one too .... what?..... Oh you said 'outfit' - I thought you said 'that fit'!!
I have been severly depressed to such an extent that I found myself standing at the side of a dual carriageway ready to chuck myself under the next articulated wagon that came along. The only thing that stopped me was the thought that I may take an innocent persons life in the process, or at least ruin someones.
It took a lot of strength to go and see my GP to admit I had a problem. The antidepressants he prescribed did nothing more than make it impossible for me to drive safely, affecting my job and making me more depressed. My job was the only thing I could try and concentrate on to overcome the marriage breakup. Councelling was costing a fortune and did not help.
I have not continued to take medication or councelling and have managed to hold my depression at bay, most of the time, by telling myself that there is life ahead and the future can be bright and there may be another "Mrs right" out there somewhere.
Nice words from people on here help a great deal and the "real" people on here are worth more than they know.
So, mind over mind can work, some of the time..... but not all of the time and .... you still need some help.
It took a lot of strength to go and see my GP to admit I had a problem. The antidepressants he prescribed did nothing more than make it impossible for me to drive safely, affecting my job and making me more depressed. My job was the only thing I could try and concentrate on to overcome the marriage breakup. Councelling was costing a fortune and did not help.
I have not continued to take medication or councelling and have managed to hold my depression at bay, most of the time, by telling myself that there is life ahead and the future can be bright and there may be another "Mrs right" out there somewhere.
Nice words from people on here help a great deal and the "real" people on here are worth more than they know.
So, mind over mind can work, some of the time..... but not all of the time and .... you still need some help.
