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Quote by bustylady40
I've always found that intelligence = no common sense.
To prove a point, try driving past a university at home time!!!!!
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I disagree - I think that comparison comes from mistaking a good (costly) education for intelligence.
I believe that intelligence is the ability to take existing knowledge (dead information) and apply it in novel, useful and interesting ways.
In which case common sense and intelligence are in many ways the same thing. And not all students possess either. I have been a student and I have taught students and I work with 'salts of the earth' as well as high fliers straight out of top Uni's and I KNOW that education does not create or measure intelligence.
Don't get me wrong, students aren't automatically useless, bu they aren't automatically highly 'intelligent' either. High intelligence requires a larger amount of originality, either in creating ideas or using them.
Not necessarily. I've met some very well educated people with high intelligence and some that don't have high intelligence.
My ex boss .... wonderful man, very very well educated, well mannered and definitely intelligent. He still had the capacity to learn and was more than willing to pass on both his education and insights into his intelligence, never in a way that was belittling or that you'd even realise that he'd steered your journey or helped you on your way. He knew when to speak and when to stay silent etc.
A friend of mine ... very well educated (phD) but arrogant, brash, opinionated and has no capacity to learn anything new, impart his genius, be respectful of others experiences etc. Opens his mouth before engaging his brain. Absolute genius but no common sense.
I respect both of them, but my ex boss is ultimately more intelligent due to his demeanour and how he uses his life skills and education in his life to help others. My friend, still a wonderful person but can't hold a conversation with anyone who isn't interested in his academia! I don't doubt his intelligence in that, but in life ... none whatsoever!
My ex boss .... wonderful man, very very well educated, well mannered and definitely intelligent. He still had the capacity to learn and was more than willing to pass on both his education and insights into his intelligence, never in a way that was belittling or that you'd even realise that he'd steered your journey or helped you on your way. He knew when to speak and when to stay silent etc.
A friend of mine ... very well educated (phD) but arrogant, brash, opinionated and has no capacity to learn anything new, impart his genius, be respectful of others experiences etc. Opens his mouth before engaging his brain. Absolute genius but no common sense.
I respect both of them, but my ex boss is ultimately more intelligent due to his demeanour and how he uses his life skills and education in his life to help others. My friend, still a wonderful person but can't hold a conversation with anyone who isn't interested in his academia! I don't doubt his intelligence in that, but in life ... none whatsoever!
Interesting thread flower!
A question that has always baffled me
If you are looking at education as being academic achievements or qualifications I have neither.
If you are looking at intelligent I don’t see myself as such.
As people that get to know me say I am not stupid. How can someone not be stupid that feels they haven’t had a good academic education?
This is something that has always baffled me!
So can intelligence come from your thought processes, your own ability to work things out?
Or can it come from your up bringing of your parents?
Or is it in your genes?
A question that has always baffled me
If you are looking at education as being academic achievements or qualifications I have neither.
If you are looking at intelligent I don’t see myself as such.
As people that get to know me say I am not stupid. How can someone not be stupid that feels they haven’t had a good academic education?
This is something that has always baffled me!
So can intelligence come from your thought processes, your own ability to work things out?
Or can it come from your up bringing of your parents?
Or is it in your genes?
Sex God
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Interesting thread flower!
A question that has always baffled me
If you are looking at education as being academic achievements or qualifications I have neither.
If you are looking at intelligent I don’t see myself as such.
As people that get to know me say I am not stupid. How can someone not be stupid that feels they haven’t had a good academic education?
This is something that has always baffled me!
So can intelligence come from your thought processes, your own ability to work things out?
Is a product of - - -
Or can it come from your up bringing of your parents?
Combined with - - - -
Or is it in your genes?
My opinion - but it sounds reasonable to me. I've never been an fan of the theory that nature and nurture are mutually exclusive.
Education is quantifiable and intelligence isn't. If you add up all your formal and informal education you can arrive at an accurate "total". Intelligence is only a variable comparitive. Dolphins are supposed to be intelligent but I've yet to hear of one who's split the atom, written a sonnet, or collected a dole cheque.
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Quote by ForestFunsters
Education is quantifiable and intelligence isn't. If you add up all your formal and informal education you can arrive at an accurate "total" Intelligence is only a variable comparitive. Dolphins are supposed to be intelligent but I've yet to hear of one who's split the atom, written a sonnet, or collected a dole cheque.
Very true. They swim around the oceans. Playing with their friends/families, eating the freshest fish, communicating with each other. Rarely fighting (as far as we can tell). They have never split the atom (and killed untold of their own kind), never written a sonnet (have you?) or been of so little use to their own kind that they have to be paid not to take part in society. And we think it's US that are intelligent?
Tongue in cheek - but you get my drift.
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I have a close work colleague, who is very conscious that she does not have academic qualifications. But her ability to read people - foresee the outcome of actions and identify the right thing to do is second to none. She is worth her weight in gold. I regard her as intelligent.
Education is the transfer of knowledge. Intelligence, in my view, is what you do with it.
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Education is the transfer of knowledge. Intelligence, in my view, is what you do with it.
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Quote by foxylady2209
Education is quantifiable and intelligence isn't. If you add up all your formal and informal education you can arrive at an accurate "total" Intelligence is only a variable comparitive. Dolphins are supposed to be intelligent but I've yet to hear of one who's split the atom, written a sonnet, or collected a dole cheque.
Very true. They swim around the oceans. Playing with their friends/families, eating the freshest fish, communicating with each other. Rarely fighting (as far as we can tell). They have never split the atom (and killed untold of their own kind), never written a sonnet (have you?) or been of so little use to their own kind that they have to be paid not to take part in society. And we think it's US that are intelligent?
Tongue in cheek - but you get my drift.
I take your point, but then I've never allowed myself to get caught in a fishing net or been forced to appear in countless episodes of Flipper.
And yes, I wrote sonnets at Uni.
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Quote by ForestFunsters
Education is quantifiable and intelligence isn't. If you add up all your formal and informal education you can arrive at an accurate "total" Intelligence is only a variable comparitive. Dolphins are supposed to be intelligent but I've yet to hear of one who's split the atom, written a sonnet, or collected a dole cheque.
Very true. They swim around the oceans. Playing with their friends/families, eating the freshest fish, communicating with each other. Rarely fighting (as far as we can tell). They have never split the atom (and killed untold of their own kind), never written a sonnet (have you?) or been of so little use to their own kind that they have to be paid not to take part in society. And we think it's US that are intelligent?
Tongue in cheek - but you get my drift.
I take your point, but then I've never allowed myself to get caught in a fishing net or been forced to appear in countless episodes of Flipper.
And yes, I wrote sonnets at Uni.
Bugger - I just KNEW you would have. I've had that 'I Robot' quote ready for soooo long. :giggle:
The two defo do NOT go hand in hand... I know many educated people who are not intelligent and vice versa.
Intelligence isn't always taught, it's inbred and it's part of your make up, in my opinion.
I failed most of my O Levels 20 years ago, now I have Degrees, Management Diplomas and allsorts, doesn't make me any more intelligent than those who have no qualifications whatsoever!.
Intelligence isn't always taught, it's inbred and it's part of your make up, in my opinion.
I failed most of my O Levels 20 years ago, now I have Degrees, Management Diplomas and allsorts, doesn't make me any more intelligent than those who have no qualifications whatsoever!.
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it is an interesting question...
in a sense I do believe there are two types of "smarts" we are talking about....
"Academic smarts" and "Street smarts"......
I honestly believe that Academically my sister is way smarter and more gifted in than me... she could have waltzed thru university if that is what she wanted to do...
Me, I was always a scrapper, I had to fight to get to where I am, and I believe that it is my street smarts that has gotten me to where I am now
in a sense I do believe there are two types of "smarts" we are talking about....
"Academic smarts" and "Street smarts"......
I honestly believe that Academically my sister is way smarter and more gifted in than me... she could have waltzed thru university if that is what she wanted to do...
Me, I was always a scrapper, I had to fight to get to where I am, and I believe that it is my street smarts that has gotten me to where I am now
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Just a passing thought
Isn’t someone that has had a good formal education or very well read just more knowledgeable?
Does knowledge equate to intelligence?
I personally don’t think so.
Well the English Dictionary says other wise.... Intelligence " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ". So sorry Minxy your above comment cannot be right.
If someone is knowledgable, then I would have thought it stood to reason, they were intelligent. Or.....to be intelligent is to have a sound knowledge. Sort of goes hand in hand.
Unless the English dictionary is wrong?
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An educated person might know 'stuff'
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
An intelligent person will know how to put that 'stuff' to good use
I think its relative to where its applied.
Most of us become part of an intelligent and knowledgeable group of people, because its suits us and them. Like being a member of this site.
But sometimes an outsider can see loopholes in a community of thought. They can benefit from this quite quickly.
For example a crook can baffle the police for quite a while until they can assemble enough intelligence and knowledge to apprehend the him.
Most of us become part of an intelligent and knowledgeable group of people, because its suits us and them. Like being a member of this site.
But sometimes an outsider can see loopholes in a community of thought. They can benefit from this quite quickly.
For example a crook can baffle the police for quite a while until they can assemble enough intelligence and knowledge to apprehend the him.
Quote by kentswingers777
Just a passing thought
Isn’t someone that has had a good formal education or very well read just more knowledgeable?
Does knowledge equate to intelligence?
I personally don’t think so.
Well the English Dictionary says other wise.... Intelligence " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ". So sorry Minxy your above comment cannot be right.
If someone is knowledgable, then I would have thought it stood to reason, they were intelligent. Or.....to be intelligent is to have a sound knowledge. Sort of goes hand in hand.
Unless the English dictionary is wrong?
I believe I could be right as to acquire is one part, it is then how you apply it.
To have the knowledge and apply it wisely I feel equates to intelligent.
To have the knowledge and not apply wisely I feel is stupid.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Just a passing thought
Isn’t someone that has had a good formal education or very well read just more knowledgeable?
Does knowledge equate to intelligence?
I personally don’t think so.
Well the English Dictionary says other wise.... Intelligence " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ". So sorry Minxy your above comment cannot be right.
If someone is knowledgable, then I would have thought it stood to reason, they were intelligent. Or.....to be intelligent is to have a sound knowledge. Sort of goes hand in hand.
Unless the English dictionary is wrong?
The dictionary is correct. As it says, intelligence is the application of knowledge. But you can have knowledge with no intelligence. You can have intelligence with no knowledge (but that is rare since everyone picks up info all the time). So, they aren't the same thing, they may not go hand in hand, BUT I would say that to be really useful, they need to both exist in the same person.
Knowledgeable does not indicate intelligent.
Oh and you absolutely do not need to have had formal education to be knowledgeable.
Quote by duncanlondon
I think its relative to where its applied.
Most of us become part of an intelligent and knowledgeable group of people, because its suits us and them. Like being a member of this site.
But sometimes an outsider can see loopholes in a community of thought. They can benefit from this quite quickly.
For example a crook can baffle the police for quite a while until they can assemble enough intelligence and knowledge to apprehend the him.
Yes they use their intelligence.....they either get the fingerprints, or catch em on CCTV.
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Quote by duncanlondon
I think its relative to where its applied.
For example a crook can baffle the police for quite a while until they can assemble enough intelligence and knowledge to apprehend the him.
Unfortunately this is a wrong application of the word, and very common - maybe cos it sounded cleverer than calling it information. The 'intelligence' that police and security services refer to is simply 'information'. They must assemble information (knowledge) and use their intelligence (brain power) to interpret it.
Quote by foxylady2209
Just a passing thought
Isn’t someone that has had a good formal education or very well read just more knowledgeable?
Does knowledge equate to intelligence?
I personally don’t think so.
Well the English Dictionary says other wise.... Intelligence " the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills ". So sorry Minxy your above comment cannot be right.
If someone is knowledgable, then I would have thought it stood to reason, they were intelligent. Or.....to be intelligent is to have a sound knowledge. Sort of goes hand in hand.
Unless the English dictionary is wrong?
The dictionary is correct. As it says, intelligence is the application of knowledge. But you can have knowledge with no intelligence. You can have intelligence with no knowledge (but that is rare since everyone picks up info all the time). So, they aren't the same thing, they may not go hand in hand, BUT I would say that to be really useful, they need to both exist in the same person.
Knowledgeable does not indicate intelligent.
Oh and you absolutely do not need to have had formal education to be knowledgeable.
Then on that basis, anyone who says differently to that, is talking rubbish? :lol:
To have or to gain knowledge IS intelligence.....period.
Quote by essex34m
To have or to gain knowledge IS intelligence.....period.
I have to agree with that.
To gain knowledge, you have to be intelligent enough to find that knowledge, or to understand why you are taking it in when it is available to you.
If you have knowledge and don't use it, doesn't that display a lack of intelligence? (at times)
Quote by Calista
To have or to gain knowledge IS intelligence.....period.
I have to agree with that.
To gain knowledge, you have to be intelligent enough to find that knowledge, or to understand why you are taking it in when it is available to you.
If you have knowledge and don't use it, doesn't that display a lack of intelligence?(at times)
oooo.. an interesting point!
I was going to say "no" but then re-read your (highlighted) post;
If you have knowledge about the damage a knife will do to another person but use it all the same on someone - how does that fit your argument?
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