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Someone, and I can’t remember who now, mentioned in a thread a few days ago that they thought the Forum was due an update. I think they were right. The Forum is looking a bit tired at the moment compared with the chat rooms for example. It is certainly less vibrant than many Forums you see on the internet.
So how do you think the Forum could be improved, what new features would you like to see and is there anything you would add or remove from the setup as it is now?
I have always found it strange that a site about an adult subject, populated by adults who by their very interest in the subject of swinging, you would suppose, have a more open, tolerant and forgiving nature than most people, still has such strict rules about what may or may not be discussed in the Forums.
Not the sexual topics, or for that matter the illegal ones, but some of the others, Religion, Politics, Current affairs, etc. I would like to see the addition of some extra “Departments” “Rooms” “Forums”, call them what you like, for the discussion of things that would at the moment be deleted or locked in the “Café”, as it stands now.
Not, so that they can become a place where slanging matches and personal attacks become the norm, but rather places where adults can discuss topics of interest without having to keep one eye out for the AUPs and their various interpretations.
Stormwalker
Quote by firelizard
Not, so that they can become a place where slanging matches and personal attacks become the norm, but rather places where adults can discuss topics of interest without having to keep one eye out for the AUPs and their various interpretations.

But without an eye out for the AUP, they would become slanging matches and personal attacks.
There's good reasons for threads being locked - we'd soon be inundated with crap! There are already forums for meeting up and dogging and people still post in the wrong ones sometimes. Imagine how much more confusing it would become with more forums, not knowing which is the correct one to post in? There would also be the whingers who'd complain if a mod moved their thread to a different forum and would argue that it should be where they posted it originally.
Sorry but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I agree to a point with you there Stormwalker. I asked this myself in other threads on site improvements. Would love to see a sports forum and the like. But the answer is often the same ie
It would require more work to control and need more moderators to do it.
Having made a website for a skate board park with a forum for a couple of years on my own i can see what they mean it was a nightmare. Granted a lot of the users were youngsers from around 10 to 20 or more some threads on there realy surprised and shocked me, and we are adults but even then you still get a gem that makes you wonder lol
Are discussion threads about religion, politics, sports or culture generally always locked then? Considering the strong sexual nature of many of the threads I can't see why it would be frowned upon to discuss anything else more topical in the Café?
I've posted on other sites in the past and they've often been given an overhaul regarding the design 'look' to appear more glitzy and sleek but at the end of the day doesn't a basic graphic style make it a bit more user friendly?
Quote by Freckledbird

Not, so that they can become a place where slanging matches and personal attacks become the norm, but rather places where adults can discuss topics of interest without having to keep one eye out for the AUPs and their various interpretations.

But without an eye out for the AUP, they would become slanging matches and personal attacks.
Why would they? I’m not suggesting the rules should be abandoned completely, only that the range of allowed subjects for discussion should be extended. The rules on attacks will remain, as they should.
Quote by Freckledbird
There's good reasons for threads being locked - we'd soon be inundated with crap! There are already forums for meeting up and dogging and people still post in the wrong ones sometimes. Imagine how much more confusing it would become with more forums, not knowing which is the correct one to post in? There would also be the whingers who'd complain if a mod moved their thread to a different forum and would argue that it should be where they posted it originally.

I understand what you are saying Freckledbird, but one persons “crap” is another’s interesting thread. If I’m not interested in a thread I don’t read it. However if there are more places to put a thread and more potential threads, then there is far more chance of the good threads not disappearing into the ether of page 2
Quote by Freckledbird
Sorry but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

True, it may not be broken as such, however it’s far from up to date or comprehensive. My last car had no Aircon, but I’m glad this one does. lol
Storm
Quote by goose35
I agree to a point with you there Stormwalker. I asked this myself in other threads on site improvements. Would love to see a sports forum and the like.

Without wishing to be a stick in the mud here, surely if you wanted to chat about sport you could join a site dedicated to that?
I don't see that having seperate forums for discussing various other non sexual activities is called for and to be honest, we simply do not have the moderators to cover the workloads it would cause.
The Cafe works well most of the time and many threads are no where near anything related to sex or swinging. People chat in there about anything and everything as they would in a group of friends anywhere.
Politics and religion have always been a bone of contention for some people and such discussions invariably end up with people being abusive to each other and all getting hot under the collars.
I feel the balance is about right for the moment and that is why Jon and I stay with this site. We feel comfortable here and enjoy the banter.
Lets not bring in things which may cause problems. If we have a sports forum, someone else would want a different forum and so on.
Before long we could have hundreds of people all asking "Can we have a forum for swapping knitting patterns?" "Can we have a forum for the discussion of contemplating our own navels?" "Can we have a forum . . . . . "
You see where it can lead to lol
Idle chat is great and should be encouraged, but lets not start segregating ourselves into little pockets or before long we'll have as many forums as we have chatrooms :shock: :lol2:
T-J
Quote by goose35
I agree to a point with you there Stormwalker. I asked this myself in other threads on site improvements. Would love to see a sports forum and the like. But the answer is often the same ie
It would require more work to control and need more moderators to do it.
Having made a website for a skate board park with a forum for a couple of years on my own i can see what they mean it was a nightmare. Granted a lot of the users were youngsers from around 10 to 20 or more some threads on there realy surprised and shocked me, and we are adults but even then you still get a gem that makes you wonder lol

I'm not sure it would be that much extra work Goose, but if it was i'm sure a few extra Mods could be found.
And NO I don't mean me.... :lol:
Storm
Quote by Dollyminx
Are discussion threads about religion, politics, sports or culture generally always locked then? Considering the strong sexual nature of many of the threads I can't see why it would be frowned upon to discuss anything else more topical in the Café?
I've posted on other sites in the past and they've often been given an overhaul regarding the design 'look' to appear more glitzy and sleek but at the end of the day doesn't a basic graphic style make it a bit more user friendly?

It's not the style of the Forum that i have a problem with Dollyminx. Rather the allowed subject matter, but a nice new style wouldn’t be so bad would it? lol
Storm
Quote by RedHot
I agree to a point with you there Stormwalker. I asked this myself in other threads on site improvements. Would love to see a sports forum and the like.

Without wishing to be a stick in the mud here, surely if you wanted to chat about sport you could join a site dedicated to that?
Yes i could and have on occasion. But
Cant talk to firestorm for example about sport as i don't know him or his uname on there may not be the same.
But i also made the point that extra forums was probably a non starter anyway due to work involved controlling it.
I like the 'basic' style we have now - we all know how to use it, its comfortable and adequate to our needs - the only thing the forum needs to make it 'vibrant' (aka all singing all dancing) is the people - and we already have those lol
The Cafe, I feel, in the time that I've been here works because we;re all in one place. If you dont like the thread subject or its content goes a bit tits up, we walk away and dont read it/ lose interest/ stop posting on it. Opening up lots of different forums or 'rooms' like the chatroom, imo just creates 'segregation' - as it has in the chatrooms ( people primarily using one room, dont frequent the forum or other rooms much therefore become very well known within that little 'community' but no one else has a clue who they are, etc)
I think we do pretty well for threads that are absolutely nothing to do with swinging - and they dont get locked unless its total bollox, descends into a row or is hijacked past the point of no return - this isnt a dig, but the 'i've got a new dog' thread is a classic example. IMO we dont need seperate 'discussion rooms', it'll create more divide and more cliques (and yes I said the C word :lol: ).
just my 2p worth wink
Quote by Darkfire
. . Opening up lots of different forums or 'rooms' like the chatroom, imo just creates 'segregation' - as it has in the chatrooms ( people primarily using one room, dont frequent the forum or other rooms much therefore become very well known within that little 'community' but no one else has a clue who they are, etc)
I think we do pretty well for threads that are absolutely nothing to do with swinging - and they dont get locked unless its total bollox, descends into a row or is hijacked past the point of no return - this isnt a dig, but the 'i've got a new dog' thread is a classic example. IMO we dont need seperate 'discussion rooms', it'll create more divide and more cliques (and yes I said the C word lol ).
just my 2p worth wink

:thumbup:
Tuppence, but worth much, much more worship
Quote by Darkfire
I like the 'basic' style we have now - we all know how to use it, its comfortable and adequate to our needs - the only thing the forum needs to make it 'vibrant' (aka all singing all dancing) is the people - and we already have those lol
The Cafe, I feel, in the time that I've been here works because we;re all in one place. If you dont like the thread subject or its content goes a bit tits up, we walk away and dont read it/ lose interest/ stop posting on it. Opening up lots of different forums or 'rooms' like the chatroom, imo just creates 'segregation' - as it has in the chatrooms ( people primarily using one room, dont frequent the forum or other rooms much therefore become very well known within that little 'community' but no one else has a clue who they are, etc)
I think we do pretty well for threads that are absolutely nothing to do with swinging - and they dont get locked unless its total bollox, descends into a row or is hijacked past the point of no return - this isnt a dig, but the 'i've got a new dog' thread is a classic example. IMO we dont need seperate 'discussion rooms', it'll create more divide and more cliques (and yes I said the C word :lol: ).
just my 2p worth wink

didn't stand a chance of putting it better my self biggrin
Prehaps it could be jazzed up a bit but I use and have seen other forums and to be honest I find this one easiest on the ey and more welcoming although i'm prepared to admit that it may be because I feel more at home here.
As for different sections for differant parts only the other night I was having a conversation where all parties agreed that if you categorise everything it causes segregation as in people stick to one part they feel comfortable in and rarely venture into the other parts. For instance I rarely venture down stairs to the dogging section, I'm sure they have fun and do have threads I could participate in put fo rsome reason I just stick to here and LMU so I'm sure others would do and probablly already do the same :D
I agree with Darkfire.
To be honest we have discussions about a wide range of topics in here - the Mods only teld to lock them if it's been done pretty recently/there's a similar one still running or it looks like it's going to turn into a slanging match.
It has been mentioned before that The Cafe isn't as good as it used to be and a lot of that is down to fewer users - less people to bounch off/debate with.
Setting up more forums just reduces those numbers more in any given forum.
I know I have a habit of resurrecting old threads, but as I've said before it's because I want the newer members to see some of the diversity we have here and what can actually be done.
I think it just needs a little bit of inspiration.
Quote by Darkfire
I like the 'basic' style we have now - we all know how to use it, its comfortable and adequate to our needs - the only thing the forum needs to make it 'vibrant' (aka all singing all dancing) is the people - and we already have those lol

worship
I've had too much fizzy Jacobs Creek to make such an eloquent comment! What darkfire said!
Quote by RedHot
I agree to a point with you there Stormwalker. I asked this myself in other threads on site improvements. Would love to see a sports forum and the like.

Without wishing to be a stick in the mud here, surely if you wanted to chat about sport you could join a site dedicated to that?
I don't see that having seperate forums for discussing various other non sexual activities is called for and to be honest, we simply do not have the moderators to cover the workloads it would cause.
I’m glad you mentioned that TJ, One of the things I hear over and over again about SH, is that it’s NOT just a Swinging site. It’s a “community” of like minded people, a Home, some people call it. For many that’s not too strong a word for how they feel about it
If Sh is to be a Home and a Community in fact not just name, then the people who use it have to feel they can talk about any subject not expressly forbidden by law. Have to feel they can ask stupid, hard, emotive or uncomfortable questions and get informed, supportive and helpful answers. If the subject is condoms fine, but if the subject is the situation in the Middle East?
Quote by RedHot
The Cafe works well most of the time and many threads are no where near anything related to sex or swinging. People chat in there about anything and everything as they would in a group of friends anywhere.
Politics and religion have always been a bone of contention for some people and such discussions invariably end up with people being abusive to each other and all getting hot under the collars.

But you do talk to your friends about Politics, Religion, War, Crime, Race, Abortion etc, and still remain friends?
Quote by RedHot
I feel the balance is about right for the moment and that is why Jon and I stay with this site. We feel comfortable here and enjoy the banter.
Lets not bring in things which may cause problems. If we have a sports forum, someone else would want a different forum and so on.
Before long we could have hundreds of people all asking "Can we have a forum for swapping knitting patterns?" "Can we have a forum for the discussion of contemplating our own navels?" "Can we have a forum . . . . . "
You see where it can lead to lol
Idle chat is great and should be encouraged, but lets not start segregating ourselves into little pockets or before long we'll have as many forums as we have chatrooms :shock: :lol2:
T-J

A very valid point TJ, This is why my preferred solution would be to open the Cafe up to all not illegal topics of discution. wink
Storm
a very interesting and thought provoking topic you have brought up Stormy....
my view is that it is probably too much of a headache to change and even though there are a few gripes that one could legitimately raise....... the fact is that this is a popular part of the site, well policed and generally provides happy and fun swinging times (without getting your hands wet)
i think the idea of having one large forum split into 3 is the best solution... of course one is free to post any topic and see where that leads you....
Politics - http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/83299.html?highlight=war
Not locked just didn't go anywhere much
Taxes
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/80815.html?highlight=war
Got to 4 pages
War/Terrorism debate that was split from a sympathy thread so it could take place.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopicpage/49497/200.html
11 pages not locked
Cant be bothered to look for a religious one or any sport one's, but i'm fairly certain there are a few floating about.
Topics are allowed to be discussed within the AUP and have been in the past, I can't see any reason for other forums when it can happen in here.
Maybe people just aren't starting them on these topics lately dunno
Jas
XXX
I don't think anyone's done it yet, so I will . . .
The Cafe
General discussion and chit-chat. Post anything here that is NOT a Meet Up or about Dogging. Use the sections below for those.

There's also one somewhere that says something along the lines of "general chit-chat" but I can't put my finger on it at the moment.
I'm not sure what topics you're thinking of - other than the "religion, politics, sports or culture"
And to be honest, those are things that may well be better suited to their own sites.
There aren't really that many topics/subjects that are considered "not suitable" - outside those you'd expect to be so.
There are questions and thing that get brought up from time to time, that receive short shrift; but I think that's mainly down to personalities, attitudes, and repitition.
Quote by sheddy
As for different sections for differant parts only the other night I was having a conversation where all parties agreed that if you categorise everything it causes segregation as in people stick to one part they feel comfortable in and rarely venture into the other parts. For instance I rarely venture down stairs to the dogging section, I'm sure they have fun and do have threads I could participate in put fo rsome reason I just stick to here and LMU so I'm sure others would do and probablly already do the same biggrin

It tickled me that Sheddy thought of the dogging forum as downstairs - don't know why.
I like the banter here, a nice mix of lighthearted, serious, informative and occasionally silly.
H.x
Quote by Darkfire
( people primarily using one room, dont frequent the forum or other rooms much therefore become very well known within that little 'community' but no one else has a clue who they are, etc) :

No disrespect Darkfire but couldn't the same be said for the Café? Perhaps Storm would like to see threads about politics/culture/sports etc a little more defined and less open to hi-jacking by in-jokes and mutual views held by an established group?
I know I'm sticking my neck way out here but has anyone noticed it's only the regulars who have posted their opinions on this subject? (And all in agreement against!)
Perhaps as a suggestion there could be a fourth section to the forum called 'The Podium' designated to contemporary issues and the 'chit-chat' would remain in the Café?
Dolly clicks send with footnote : OBJECTIVE OBSERVATION :shock:
Quote by Jas-Tim
Cant be bothered to look for a religious one.......

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/83126.html
innocent
Quote by cu3b4ll
Cant be bothered to look for a religious one.......

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/83126.html
innocent
Yes i see it all now, I was clearly overreacting rotflmao
Storm
Fancy a shag Stormy? innocent Or maybe a nice pineapple upsidedown cake?
FIRELIZARD :twisted:
Quote by firelizard
I'm not sure it would be that much extra work Goose, but if it was i'm sure a few extra Mods could be found.
And NO I don't mean me.... lol
Storm

Why not you?
Quote by Jas-Tim
Politics - http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/83299.html?highlight=war
Not locked just didn't go anywhere much
Taxes
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/80815.html?highlight=war
Got to 4 pages
War/Terrorism debate that was split from a sympathy thread so it could take place.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopicpage/49497/200.html
11 pages not locked
Cant be bothered to look for a religious one or any sport one's, but i'm fairly certain there are a few floating about.
Topics are allowed to be discussed within the AUP and have been in the past, I can't see any reason for other forums when it can happen in here.
Maybe people just aren't starting them on these topics lately dunno
Jas
XXX

That may be the case Jags. I don’t know about others but I have wanted to start many threads in the past sad
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/81899.html
The main reason I don’t, is because I’m convinced that they will be locked or deleted as soon as they are seen by a mod. Perhaps it’s a simple misconception on my part about the rules, but I seriously doubt it’s as simple as that. :dunno:
Storm
Quote by Dollyminx
No disrespect Darkfire but couldn't the same be said for the Café? Perhaps Storm would like to see threads about politics/culture/sports etc a little more defined and less open to hi-jacking by in-jokes and mutual views held by an established group?
They aren't all open to hijacking and just putting them in their own forum wouldn't make them immune to hijack.

I know I'm sticking my neck way out here but has anyone noticed it's only the regulars who have posted their opinions on this subject? (And all in agreement against!)

But anyone on the site is welcome to share their views; they just haven't, yet.
Perhaps as a suggestion there could be a fourth section to the forum called 'The Podium' designated to contemporary issues and the 'chit-chat' would remain in the Café?
Contemporary issues have been, and still are, discussed in the cafe, along with all the other chit-chat.
Dolly clicks send with footnote : OBJECTIVE OBSERVATION :shock:
That's not an objective observation; it's biased because you are a relative newbie who sees herself as not part of the 'established group' yet.
Quote by Freckledbird

I'm not sure it would be that much extra work Goose, but if it was i'm sure a few extra Mods could be found.
And NO I don't mean me.... lol
Storm

Why not you?
Because Freckledbird kiss
We are still very new here; I would like to think we have made it past the “Wannabe” stage into the “Maybe” stage even if we have yet to make it to the lofty heights of the “Definitely” stage. I am keenly aware that we are still on probation here and so we are still treading softly around the edges. We have been to no munches and have had no personal contact with any of the elders of the site. sad
We have not been Verified!!! :dry:
Besides, I have a healthy dislike of rules and their upholders. A good mod, I would not make! :kick: rotflmao
Storm
Quote by Dollyminx
No disrespect Darkfire but couldn't the same be said for the Café? Perhaps Storm would like to see threads about politics/culture/sports etc a little more defined and less open to hi-jacking by in-jokes and mutual views held by an established group?

Hang on ….. that’s what we do, that’s who we are and yes I agree it can be a tad irritating at times but that’s what makes this a community. By changing things it alters the “status quo” and tbh last time that happened (ie when the 4T’s took over) it almost tore the community apart and 7 months down the line is just about recovered.
Quote by Dollyminx
I know I'm sticking my neck way out here but has anyone noticed it's only the regulars who have posted their opinions on this subject? (And all in agreement against!)

I’d love to see the views of newer members, but lets face it what are they measuring the changes against? The older members have been through the changes, seen how unsettled things were, discussed similar changes and also come to the conclusion if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Cx
Quote by firelizard
Fancy a shag Stormy? innocent Or maybe a nice pineapple upsidedown cake?
FIRELIZARD :twisted:

Oh! FFS woman can't you see i'm busy now..?. rolleyes
hump you later lol
Storm
Anyone think a seperate forum use policy FUP in addition to the AUP might help dunno
Don't shoot me down im rather busy lol
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/84049.html