You may have read this before, but it can't hurt to reread it so that it becomes automatic to your thought process. My prayer is that you never do need to use the following information.
A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim, and here are some interesting facts:
1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.
2) The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women whose clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing.
3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse, or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.
4) The time of day men are most likely to attack and a woman is in the early morning, between 5 and 8:30 a.m.
5) The number one place women are abducted from/attacked at is grocery store parking lots. Number two is office-parking lots/garages. Number three is public restrooms.
6) The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don't have to worry about getting caught.
7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because carries a 3-5 year sentence, but with a weapon is 15-20 years.
8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming.
9) These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas (or other similar objects that can be used from a distance) in their hands. Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.
10) Several defense mechanisms were taught: If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage, or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look him in the face and ask him a question, like, "What time is it?", or make general small talk, like "I can't believe it is so cold out here, we're in for a bad winter." Now that you've seen his face and could identify him in a lineup, you lose appeal as a target.
11) If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell" Stop" or "Stay back!" Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.
12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yelling "I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY" and holding it out will be a deterrent.
13) If someone grabs you, you can't beat him with strength but you can by outsmarting him. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow and armpit or in the upper inner thigh -- HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to her, and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands, and the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.
14) After the initial hit, always go for the groin. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, and he's out of there.
15) When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible. The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.
16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, and go with your instincts. You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.
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Why just copy to every woman on your contact list? About one in 20 victims is a man :shock:
Sex God
No, I'm not having a go at you personally. I've seen that email before, and the advice is pretty sound, it's just that I wish education was aimed at everyone, not just women 
xxx Sex God
Along with emails containing less than accuarate info, you might also like to know that the info contained on the above link is just as dodgy, based on what psychologists know about . is of course, a tricky subject to study cos a lot of people don't tell anyone at all, let alone a nosey researcher or two. The subject is made trickier by victims who "nearly" got (i.e. were attacked for sexual purposes but who kicked the shit out of the attacker 
), often do not class themselves as victims of sex crimes.
So......
Without feeling the need to attach a copy of my CV, here are a few "facts":
Very rapists come under the "sadistic" category, in fact the categories mentioned in the article can be slated in lots of ways. Indeed, some rapists do commit sex crimes for power, control and sadism, but most rapists will choose an easy target. Enough evidence to convince me, suggests that fighting back does work in some cases.... figures are impossible to include, as I said above, we don't know how many people got away by using any sort of defence technique - not reliably anyway. The problem is, most people freeze and can't fight back even if they have the skills. What makes matters worse is so called self defence experts running 6 session courses on martial arts and giving people false confidence
....
The upshot is, any sort of self defence is better than nothing, but if you've been in that situation and haven't fought back - it ain't your fault, OK! Some self defence techniques DO work - a quick kick in the balls usually does the trick 8-)
I don't think there is evidence on hairstyles and clothing and stuff like that, but what we do know about demographics about victims is that most victims of either sex are young adults between puberty and about 25 years old, yes, most rapes happen at night.... but the thing that neither piece of info says is that most rapes are committed by someone you know.....
So, why the massive amount of stranger danger info, when you really should be concerned about the intentions of those around you :shock:
Think about it :shock: :shock: :shock:
), often do not class themselves as victims of sex crimes.So......
Without feeling the need to attach a copy of my CV, here are a few "facts":
Very rapists come under the "sadistic" category, in fact the categories mentioned in the article can be slated in lots of ways. Indeed, some rapists do commit sex crimes for power, control and sadism, but most rapists will choose an easy target. Enough evidence to convince me, suggests that fighting back does work in some cases.... figures are impossible to include, as I said above, we don't know how many people got away by using any sort of defence technique - not reliably anyway. The problem is, most people freeze and can't fight back even if they have the skills. What makes matters worse is so called self defence experts running 6 session courses on martial arts and giving people false confidence
.... The upshot is, any sort of self defence is better than nothing, but if you've been in that situation and haven't fought back - it ain't your fault, OK! Some self defence techniques DO work - a quick kick in the balls usually does the trick 8-)
I don't think there is evidence on hairstyles and clothing and stuff like that, but what we do know about demographics about victims is that most victims of either sex are young adults between puberty and about 25 years old, yes, most rapes happen at night.... but the thing that neither piece of info says is that most rapes are committed by someone you know.....
So, why the massive amount of stranger danger info, when you really should be concerned about the intentions of those around you :shock:
Think about it :shock: :shock: :shock:
Whilst I agree that the advice contained is pertinent .... I agree with Roger.
Anyone wanting some great advice on avoiding this kind of encounter, there are two excellent places you can get information. The Support Centre/Line and The Suzy Lamplugh Trust.
Having dealt with both and found them both to be professional and helpful, their advice is far more invaluable than email forwards.
However, it's always timely to be reminded of such things.
Anyone wanting some great advice on avoiding this kind of encounter, there are two excellent places you can get information. The Support Centre/Line and The Suzy Lamplugh Trust.
Having dealt with both and found them both to be professional and helpful, their advice is far more invaluable than email forwards.
However, it's always timely to be reminded of such things.
Sex God
I have the latest figures on convictions in the UK, and some info about sentensing etc. if anyone wants it.
Sex God
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Along with emails containing less than accuarate info, you might also like to know that the info contained on the above link is just as dodgy, based on what psychologists know about . is of course, a tricky subject to study cos a lot of people don't tell anyone at all, let alone a nosey researcher or two. The subject is made trickier by victims who "nearly" got (i.e. were attacked for sexual purposes but who kicked the shit out of the attacker
So......
Without feeling the need to attach a copy of my CV, here are a few "facts":
Very rapists come under the "sadistic" category, in fact the categories mentioned in the article can be slated in lots of ways. Indeed, some rapists do commit sex crimes for power, control and sadism, but most rapists will choose an easy target. Enough evidence to convince me, suggests that fighting back does work in some cases.... figures are impossible to include, as I said above, we don't know how many people got away by using any sort of defence technique - not reliably anyway. The problem is, most people freeze and can't fight back even if they have the skills. What makes matters worse is so called self defence experts running 6 session courses on martial arts and giving people false confidence
IIRC rapists are generally catagorised into 3 groups, but the only 2 I can remember at the mo are anger-assertive and the "gentleman" rapists.
If you are attacked by the "gentleman" or the other kind (anger-assurance?) then fighting back will help. If you're attacked by the anger-assertive (very agressive type) they actually get excited by the victim fighting back. So you need to start doing a profile of the type of you're being attacked by. Not practical and very unlikely.
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The upshot is, any sort of self defence is better than nothing, but if you've been in that situation and haven't fought back - it ain't your fault, OK! Some self defence techniques DO work - a quick kick in the balls usually does the trick 8-)
Hmmmm.......I've been involved in a few "streetfights" when I was younger and have been kneed/kicked in the nuts a few times and TBH it hurts like hell, BUT it doesn't put you down unless it's followed with something. In a "fight" situation the adrenaline is pumping for both people and that tends to dull the pain receptors.
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I don't think there is evidence on hairstyles and clothing and stuff like that, but what we do know about demographics about victims is that most victims of either sex are young adults between puberty and about 25 years old, yes, most rapes happen at night.... but the thing that neither piece of info says is that most rapes are committed by someone you know.....
So, why the massive amount of stranger danger info, when you really should be concerned about the intentions of those around you :shock:
Think about it :shock: :shock: :shock:
Yep you're far more likely to know your attacker than be attacked at random.
Some of the advice in the first post is ok and some is a bit pants. Victim choice is down to what the agressor finds attractive about their victim and how good their impulse control is.
The best defence is not to be in this situation in the first place. Stay aware of your surroundings and who is about. Your brain is your ultimate weapon, so use it. If it's a choice between the 10 min extra trip to go via the busy main road or just nip across the patch of wasteground, choose the main road.
Blue, I'm not having a go at anything you've said ('cos given our positions that would be completely stupid of me), I'm trying to embelish what has already been posted. And for the record I find the email in the first post very scare-mongering (not having a go at camickaze either as it was posted with the best intentions :wink: )
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Along with emails containing less than accuarate info, you might also like to know that the info contained on the above link is just as dodgy,
Oh sure, most information on the Internet only comes down to one person's opinion, but I don't think it does any harm to have access to a variety of opinions. I certainly wouldn't pretend to be any kind of expert in how to handle situations. I just wanted to make a broader point that information forwarded in emails is notoriously unreliable, and often maliciously inaccurate.
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Hmmmm.......I've been involved in a few "streetfights" when I was younger and have been kneed/kicked in the nuts a few times and TBH it hurts like hell, BUT it doesn't put you down unless it's followed with something. In a "fight" situation the adrenaline is pumping for both people and that tends to dull the pain receptors.
I wouldn't want to pretend I'm any kind of expert in getting kicked in the nuts, but FWIW the few times people have tried to do it to me, they've usually missed and kicked my thigh. Which barely hurts at all.
Sex God
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Hmmmm.......I've been involved in a few "streetfights" when I was younger and have been kneed/kicked in the nuts a few times and TBH it hurts like hell, BUT it doesn't put you down unless it's followed with something. In a "fight" situation the adrenaline is pumping for both people and that tends to dull the pain receptors.
I wouldn't want to pretend I'm any kind of expert in getting kicked in the nuts, but FWIW the few times people have tried to do it to me, they've usually missed and kicked my thigh. Which barely hurts at all.
Be thankfull for it mate. I've woken up the following morning to find that someone's removed the normal "tackle" and replaced them with a couple of large plums. Lots of moans and a walk like John Wayne for a week at least. :cry: (usually my own stupid fault though
) Sex God
Roger, you're quite right about getting a range of opinions - the problem is, no one set of stats is correct, and mine are probably no more correct tha any of the others really - it just depends on where you get your info from.... things like psychological studies throw up different stats than say, Home Office studies sometimes do... all very confusing 
Easy, you're also right in saying that in a fight situation pain receptors are dulled and adrenalin is pumping etc, etc..... the point I was making was about easy targets - if you look like you can fight (whether or not you actually can) SOMETIMES and I can't stress the "sometimes" enough, is enough to put off an attacker..... A sexual assault situation can be very different than a street fight - the dynamics are very different. A street fight between "equals" escalates in no time, whereas a sexual attack is more likely to be planned by the perpetrator, at least on some level - the perpetrator in a planned case will not chosse someone he thinks will be difficult to overcome.
So, yes you're right in saying that a kick to the nuts may not be enough in a fight, but it may be enough to make a sexual attacker think twice about you being an easy target. As a martial artist myself (albeit a rusty one), I would never advocate a one-strike defence at all. Much better to use a series of strikes aimed at completely disabling your opponent.A kick to the nuts will make someone stop and think you mean business, follow that up with a knee to the head and they will KNOW you mean business.... follow that up with kicking their head in totally will land you in jail unless you do one sharpish and there are no witnesses :shock: , but take your choice!
And yes, I do know the above scenario works cos I tried it on someone one night (but don't tell anyone :shock: ). he only said he wanted a kiss too :shock: :shock: :shock:
Easy, you're also right in saying that in a fight situation pain receptors are dulled and adrenalin is pumping etc, etc..... the point I was making was about easy targets - if you look like you can fight (whether or not you actually can) SOMETIMES and I can't stress the "sometimes" enough, is enough to put off an attacker..... A sexual assault situation can be very different than a street fight - the dynamics are very different. A street fight between "equals" escalates in no time, whereas a sexual attack is more likely to be planned by the perpetrator, at least on some level - the perpetrator in a planned case will not chosse someone he thinks will be difficult to overcome.
So, yes you're right in saying that a kick to the nuts may not be enough in a fight, but it may be enough to make a sexual attacker think twice about you being an easy target. As a martial artist myself (albeit a rusty one), I would never advocate a one-strike defence at all. Much better to use a series of strikes aimed at completely disabling your opponent.A kick to the nuts will make someone stop and think you mean business, follow that up with a knee to the head and they will KNOW you mean business.... follow that up with kicking their head in totally will land you in jail unless you do one sharpish and there are no witnesses :shock: , but take your choice!
And yes, I do know the above scenario works cos I tried it on someone one night (but don't tell anyone :shock: ). he only said he wanted a kiss too :shock: :shock: :shock:
Sex God
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Roger, you're quite right about getting a range of opinions - the problem is, no one set of stats is correct, and mine are probably no more correct tha any of the others really - it just depends on where you get your info from.... things like psychological studies throw up different stats than say, Home Office studies sometimes do... all very confusing
Yep. % of statistics are made up on the spot
You can use statistics to prove just about anything.Blue, what do you think about the FBIs method of interviewing offenders and producing profiles? The work of John Douglas etc?
Aren't the UK police now following a similar approach?
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Easy, you're also right in saying that in a fight situation pain receptors are dulled and adrenalin is pumping etc, etc..... the point I was making was about easy targets - if you look like you can fight (whether or not you actually can) SOMETIMES and I can't stress the "sometimes" enough, is enough to put off an attacker..... A sexual assault situation can be very different than a street fight - the dynamics are very different. A street fight between "equals" escalates in no time, whereas a sexual attack is more likely to be planned by the perpetrator, at least on some level - the perpetrator in a planned case will not chosse someone he thinks will be difficult to overcome.
So, yes you're right in saying that a kick to the nuts may not be enough in a fight, but it may be enough to make a sexual attacker think twice about you being an easy target. As a martial artist myself (albeit a rusty one), I would never advocate a one-strike defence at all. Much better to use a series of strikes aimed at completely disabling your opponent.A kick to the nuts will make someone stop and think you mean business, follow that up with a knee to the head and they will KNOW you mean business.... follow that up with kicking their head in totally will land you in jail unless you do one sharpish and there are no witnesses :shock: , but take your choice! :wink:
And yes, I do know the above scenario works cos I tried it on someone one night (but don't tell anyone :shock: ). he only said he wanted a kiss too :shock: :shock: :shock:
Very true. The point I was trying to make was that a) one blow defences do not work, b) the attacker may actually get-off on you fighting back and c) the best defence is to try and avoid puting yourself in dodgy situations.
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I have pepper spray. It`s not legal here, but weighing up the options, I`d rather get into trouble with the law than carry a scorching case of PTSD around with me for the rest of my life.
Venusxxx
let me just warn you about c.s gas and pepper spray in the uk it is classed as a firearm and the min sentance for a firearm is 5 years
Sex God
Offender profiling is shite. I have statistics to prove it :wink: :wink:
We're agreed that once a real fight starts, one strike is not enough. Yes, some rapists do get off on the victim fighting back, so make sure it's a damn good one :wink: Seriously, those types of offender are in the minority, most rapists want the minimum of fuss made . I have so many stories to illustrate my points... some guys tried to drag me into a car one night :shock: (long time ago, don't feel sorry for me :? ). I was none too chuffed so I right hooked one of them. He recovered from that (see one strike never works), and said - in his own words "I don't want any fuss, just get in the car". I got well angry then, as you might imagine :shock: . the driver told his "colleague" to get back in the car cos I knew how to fight..... that's three guys against one, I only struck once but they left me alone, presumably cos I was making a fuss that might have got them caught - see, they want easy targets! OK, OK, that's only one case..... but I have many more stories :wink:
We're also agreed that the best defence is not to be around a in the first place.... but what does that actually mean in real terms? Not going out at night? Or what?
Dean - firearms.... 5 years??? :shock: Bloody hell, most rapists don't even get that! :shock:
:wink: :wink: We're agreed that once a real fight starts, one strike is not enough. Yes, some rapists do get off on the victim fighting back, so make sure it's a damn good one :wink: Seriously, those types of offender are in the minority, most rapists want the minimum of fuss made
. I have so many stories to illustrate my points... some guys tried to drag me into a car one night :shock: (long time ago, don't feel sorry for me :? ). I was none too chuffed so I right hooked one of them. He recovered from that (see one strike never works), and said - in his own words "I don't want any fuss, just get in the car". I got well angry then, as you might imagine :shock: . the driver told his "colleague" to get back in the car cos I knew how to fight..... that's three guys against one, I only struck once but they left me alone, presumably cos I was making a fuss that might have got them caught - see, they want easy targets! OK, OK, that's only one case..... but I have many more stories :wink: We're also agreed that the best defence is not to be around a in the first place.... but what does that actually mean in real terms? Not going out at night? Or what?
Dean - firearms.... 5 years??? :shock: Bloody hell, most rapists don't even get that! :shock:
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We're also agreed that the best defence is not to be around a in the first place.... but what does that actually mean in real terms? Not going out at night? Or what?
Dean - firearms.... 5 years??? :shock: Bloody hell, most rapists don't even get that! :shock:
Don't statistics say that most people know their attacker? How do you avoid this sort of situation? I had a real distrust in men for a long time and have over the years come to relax this fear, but I'm always so wary and rarely go anywhere without DH in tow!
I agree .... 5 years!!!!!!!! The justice system is screwed in many cases.
the law changed on firearms last year sum time the law is a ass sometimes should carry a life sentance not 3 years. I am currently involved in a cry at the moment i work as a doorman in a bar, we get called to the toilet to find a female and male shagging in the tolilets we ask them to leave they leave they go for a shag outside the bar to be watched by security and cctv they are then asked to leave the site to continue behind the burger bar they finish what they have started and she comes to the front door of the bar to ask for the handbag she left behind, she was happy as larry never said a word about and happy enough to say that id stolen her mobile phone which she found in her bag 2 secs later then she left and i thought id never meet her again, the next day i get a phone call from the manager asking to go to the police and make a statement because this girl had all of a sudden been by this guy she was happy to be with and carried having sex with 3 times and had the choice to leave or tell 5 doormen that she didnt want any part of this which she didnt now this poor guy has been in the cells all weekend because this girl has cried the next day ,i am not saying that the didnt take place because "no" means but having the choice to tell someone when asked are you ok then reply yes i would say she consented to sex .I think the law should be changed in cases like this like your name kept secret unless your convicted of the crime, and if its a cry case the the person who has made the false cry claim should serve the sentance that the would
Sex God
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Offender profiling is shite. I have statistics to prove it
Hmm...So you're in the David Canter camp then? I've read a lot about offender profiling and it does seem to be at the "glamourous" end of the psychology spectrum, but it does have it's uses. As does statistical analysis and probability. All tools to get the "tools" IMHO.
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We're agreed that once a real fight starts, one strike is not enough. Yes, some rapists do get off on the victim fighting back, so make sure it's a damn good one :wink: Seriously, those types of offender are in the minority, most rapists want the minimum of fuss made
I think the above is more luck than ability TBH. So what happens if they HAD been the violent type (rare, but they do exist) and they've got a knife or a gun and aren't interested in whether their "hump" is dead/alive/barely alive? You could have quite easily have been caught up with a couple of Bittaker and Norris's or Bianchi and Buono. Just lucky I guess.
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We're also agreed that the best defence is not to be around a in the first place.... but what does that actually mean in real terms? Not going out at night? Or what?
ooopppsss I seem to have inadvertantly opened this old can of worms again. The "stay safe, but live your life" argument.
As we both know there's no real answer to it, because it's not an either/or statement. You live how you choose to, but as I said above, use your head and you reduce your chances of becoming a statistic.What would have happened if you had been with a couple of friends when you were spotted by these guys? Or better still in a cab on the way home? (rhetorical questions :wink: ).
We all make decisions in how we progress through life, sometimes a little forward planning can prevent our actions becoming regrets.
Like John Douglas points out, non of these "people" are so driven that they would attempt a crime in front of a uniformed police officer.
Sex God
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I think the law should be changed in cases like this like your name kept secret unless your convicted of the crime,
Yep I agree with that. Everyone involved in a case should have their identity protected until a conviction is gained.
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and if its a cry case the the person who has made the false cry claim should serve the sentance that the would
Nope, as this would lead to people failing to report cases because of the fear of doing time due to the fact that a smug barrister made the victim look like she'd cried .
i agree with you a little there easy but maybe you wouldnt want to be locked up in the cells for a false claim ! ive been locked up for a fight i wasnt even involved in 9 hours later i was released without charge it wasnt a nice feeling and lets face it mud sticks if your classed as a it normally sticks even if you aint
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I have pepper spray. It`s not legal here, but weighing up the options, I`d rather get into trouble with the law than carry a scorching case of PTSD around with me for the rest of my life.
Venusxxx
let me just warn you about c.s gas and pepper spray in the uk it is classed as a firearm and the min sentance for a firearm is 5 years
Yeah I heard that. Sucks doesn`t it? Let`s hope I never have to use it.
Venusxxx
Sex God
I don't think anyone would deny that false claims are wrong and just downright selfish 
Easy, i'm not in any camp wrt profiling and I'm certainly not one of Canter's cronies. I don't like the smallest space analysis stuff that the Canter group do. Some statistics are just better than others, I guess :roll:
I've no doubt that I was lucky, but did I ever tell you about the one with the knife. No? Oh well, better not, might give you nightmares
Staying safe isn't as easy as saying "don't go to dodgy places on your own" or "get a cab". Do you know that 200 women every year are sexually assaulted in London alone cos they got into a cab? The point is, you can't foresee sexual assault, it is the perpetrator that is wrong, so why should people have to watch every move? If you have to go everywhere with friends just cos you're scared of getting jumped on that is no life at all. I've been cruising for sex in parks on my own and had less shit than I have walking down the street in daylight - makes no sense, does it :shock:
Easy, i'm not in any camp wrt profiling and I'm certainly not one of Canter's cronies. I don't like the smallest space analysis stuff that the Canter group do. Some statistics are just better than others, I guess :roll:
I've no doubt that I was lucky, but did I ever tell you about the one with the knife. No? Oh well, better not, might give you nightmares
Staying safe isn't as easy as saying "don't go to dodgy places on your own" or "get a cab". Do you know that 200 women every year are sexually assaulted in London alone cos they got into a cab? The point is, you can't foresee sexual assault, it is the perpetrator that is wrong, so why should people have to watch every move? If you have to go everywhere with friends just cos you're scared of getting jumped on that is no life at all. I've been cruising for sex in parks on my own and had less shit than I have walking down the street in daylight - makes no sense, does it :shock:
you can carry something that is nt classed as a dangerous weapon
keys and nail file s can come in very handy if attacked anything really thats small strong and sharp
my mum always made me carry a ...........dont laugh
brick in my handbag ......to swing if anyone grabbed me
and a pepper pot in my pocket...
trying saying that after a few shandys
:sparring:
keys and nail file s can come in very handy if attacked anything really thats small strong and sharp
my mum always made me carry a ...........dont laugh
brick in my handbag ......to swing if anyone grabbed me
and a pepper pot in my pocket...
trying saying that after a few shandys
:sparring:
Oh, I managed to do myself! It triggered in my rucksack, and I rubbed my eyes before washing my hands....dipshit!
I wouldn`t be opposed to people having to register owning pepper spray, after all, it can be used as an offensive weapon, but a firearm it ain`t! I first purchased some in America, when I hiked some of the Appalacian trail. It`s a good defense against bears apparently. Incidently Blue, I hear what you are saying. I received no end of shit for hiking alone on the trail, when in fact I was in more danger when walking the streets of New York in a group of three!
Venusxxx
I wouldn`t be opposed to people having to register owning pepper spray, after all, it can be used as an offensive weapon, but a firearm it ain`t! I first purchased some in America, when I hiked some of the Appalacian trail. It`s a good defense against bears apparently. Incidently Blue, I hear what you are saying. I received no end of shit for hiking alone on the trail, when in fact I was in more danger when walking the streets of New York in a group of three!
Venusxxx
Quote by redstilletto
my mum always made me carry a ...........dont laugh
brick in my handbag ......to swing if anyone grabbed me
and a pepper pot in my pocket...
trying saying that after a few shandys
:sparring:
I thought all the nice young ladies carried half bricks in Liverpool, just the tough ones carried the full house brick!!! :twisted:
GIlbert
no doubt asking for it!!!
