Judy, I admire you immensely for the clarity and good horse sense of your posts. I just wish I could formulate my thoughts as clearly as you can - sometimes I can, but it can take me several hours to do so, by which time everyone else has moved on round the corner, or several corners! It was a pleasure to meet you at last at the munch, and let me shake your hand without demanding a snog (there must be something off-putting about me!). See you around, I'll be staying too.
Mike.
Dear All
As one of those lost souls Judy mentioned I must say something. I must thank Judy for playing host to Neil and I in the wee hours of Sunday morning. We just wanted the party to go on and to talk to you about whatever we talked about. I hope I didn't ramble on too much as I have a want to do when I am off my face! Judy you are a star! You are one of the reasons I stick around this forum as I love your posts such as the one above. You have a lot of compassion for others and a great sense of humour which makes you great to be around. I think many will agree with that statement.
I was at the club with Neil and Ice and it was great to share the jaccuszi with others from the munch and just chat and chill out. This was my first time in a club such as this and as an experience I found it very interesting. But I must say I towards the end I found myself feeling a bit out of place as I was surrounded mainly by couples or others who had paired off. I went there not knowing exactly what would happen or how things would pan out. Maybe I was expecting some kind of swing experience but that never transpired. I felt it was not my place to approach anyone, I would rather they had approached me. After all it's the couples and chiefly the females that get to pick the guys they want, if that's what they are looking for. Us single guys don't have that choice.
I think the boundaries in such a place are confusing, especially if you are unfamiliar with that scene. No wonder mistakes are made in such places and I can understand Ices' confusion. I prefered to watch and observe rather than initiate anything as I didn't think it was my business. Ice, I think these things happen and maybe it's best to just shrug it off and laugh. After all it is quite a funny situation with mixed sexes walking around nude or in towels like something out of Up Pompei. It's meant to be relaxed and fun.
I must say I have been experiencing what one might call 'post-munch blues'. Maybe my perception of the evening in the club has been coloured by the amount of alchohol I imbibed (probably). Or perhaps I was not alone in thinking do I belong here? Both Neil and Ice have suggested that these thoughts are not uncommon for single guys (and girls too). I praise them for sharing their thoughts with us. I am staying however (you won't be getting rid of me that easily). I love this forum and the people in it because it is much more than what it probably set out to be.
All in all I must thank those people who were at the munch and at the club for their company, that was enough in itself and I am grateful to all those that spoke to me. It was great fun and I hope we can all do it again sometime and possibly a different place.
LC
i've not wanted to post much more on this thread, cos it is moving in a great direction IMHO, and it is no longer my thread. i hoped it would happen like that but even then i did not expect such considered depth.
if anyone here has ever judged me, on any kind of basis, they have been kind enough not to make me aware of it! i know of others who have on occasion not felt quite so fortunate, but nevertheless they are still here, and i'm sure they have learned, like me, that the opinions that really matter to us, are the ones of our friends, and our friends will not judge us here, regardless.
i have been allowed the time, space and freedom, to use and maybe abuse this forum, and arrive at things completely at my own pace, and even to fuck up royally at times! it is the realisation that this place can be truly inclusive of everyone, regardless, despite the doubts, and perhaps even because those doubts are so well understood by the vast majority here, regardless of which way we eventually jump as far as swinging itself goes.
neil x x x x
Neil,
When I first joined you used to have in your signature "Lessons you have learned" for want of a better term. They were very entertaining and even enlightening!
If I remember rightly, you made it to about 6 lessons before changing to something else.
I used to look forward to your new insights and comments. What made them even more appealing was the fact that you only had 255 characters to use so they had to be to the point.
This forum allows people to be themselves, without the usual political correctness and prejudices which have become too prevelant in our society.
"You can be you!"
:D :D 
glad to make your aquaintance!
