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It is my belief, based on observation, that folk who contribute infrequently to this forum are more likely to suffer personal criticism for expressing their views than the regular contributors.
I think this damages the forums and is instrumental in ensuring that forums continue to have a limited number of participants.
What do you think?
I will donate a pound to the humanist society if this thread reaches page two without it being suggested that If I don't like the forums I should bugger off.
Quote by benrums0n
It is my belief, based on observation, that folk who contribute infrequently to this forum are more likely to suffer personal criticism for expressing their views than the regular contributors.
I think this damages the forums and is instrumental in ensuring that forums continue to have a limited number of participants.
What do you think?
I will donate a pound to the humanist society if this thread reaches page two without it being suggested that If I don't like the forums I should bugger off.

Bang on the money.
Am sure the Humanist society will benefit greatly from your pound.
I dont think new posters are treated any different here than any other forum I contribute to and I contribute (I didn't say usefully if you notice) to several.
i think maybe they do sometimes, i may have even done it to them myself a while back.
however i think its when they come in with a seen it hundred times before thread.
they will get the comments been done already,or posted a link where it was last discussed.
i however think that shouldnt happen, afer all it may well have been discussed while "you" were here but we get new members all the time, so either keep out if you cant be arsed to have that convo or give your opinion again and leave it to the newer members.
the threads that get my goat are the ones when people moan about "the site dont work i aint got the shag i paid for yet".
i dont think the persons opinion is valued less though casue they have only just joined or started posting in a running thread.
xx fem xx
I started to post on the forums but it wasn't the personal attacks that have put me off but the "staleness" of the threads / posts.
They focus around the same posters, fresh input is lost in between the repetitive bollox in many threads trying to point score and prove another person`s views are "wrong". An interesting topic with well thought out arguments then are allowed to go down the same track as all the others.
I prefer thought out posts that present argument and counter arguments without bringing personalities into it. Readers can then decide for themselves which posters are producing well thought out postings and those that are not.
Some people's posts may frustrate us and want us to repost to them but fear this is becoming the style of many postings. Much better we all attack the opinion rather than the person, unfortunatley the personal nature of postings prevents myself and indeed many from posting.
I can only respond on a personal note here.
I looked at the forums for about 2 weeks before I was brave enough to type on any post.
I had watched someone I knew from the chatrooms, have one of his posts pulled apart for expressing their own opinion about the forums!
I thought no way am I going in there now!
However I did, but I stayed away from what are now called fluffy threads, and stayed well clear of anything I considered as controversial, the latter for fear of expressing an opinion, and for other posters to then come down on me like a ton of bricks!
However, I now post on anything I wish to.
I have only ever been seriously challenged once, but I did not feel it was personal, I took slight offence at the time, stayed away from his posts, but moved on, they had!
It is free will if we wish to contribute to a post, and usually if you have followed the the post, you will know the way the flow is going, and will of read the style of the posters, and weighed them up a bit.
Most can handle stuff on here with out taking it personally I feel.
I was having a convo in private chat the other day, about this very subject, and they said they did not feel strong enough to cope on a heavy thread, but they now since have.
A new poster started posting the other day, she had been watching from above, and plucked up courage to contribute, there is no stopping her now. She did not get put off by what she had seen on here.
She may feel so drawn to express a view on here, as a newbie.
Do not know how to summerise this response really, apart from saying if any folk read this and are thinking of jumping in and posting, please do, it can be good fun,. and you learn things too, by the others thoughts and opinions.
Lucys post.
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.

They have only dropped to page 2...
If something on page one doesn't excite you then browse page . etc...
Quote by Steve
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.

They have only dropped to page 2...
If something on page one doesn't excite you then browse page . etc...
That isn't what I meant as I know they do, I was talking more about new people watching and keeping an eye to the workings of the forums following threads.
When I first come here and mostly even now it is page one that I look at as they are like new news the rest possibliy I have read so I very rarely would look back to.
I would like to know how many people go back, maybe it is just me that doesn't I tend to stick to page one.
I have occasionally in the past but not often
Quote by Steve
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.

They have only dropped to page 2...
If something on page one doesn't excite you then browse page . etc...
have to say I am in agreement with steve on this one.... in effect the same problem as with the "groups"
People can't be bothered to look past page 1 or 2... so set up a new group.... so there are 10-15 on the same subject
we all know what questions get asked again and again and again, there are only so many ways of answering them all, if they keep on coming up then they will be ignored and people will then ask why they are being ignored..... its almost a case of "pick your poison" at times...
I think what people were trying to do was lighten up the forum by bringing up stuff that we had done in the past to get people involved.. The stuff that doesn't come up often... I am looking for a certain thread myself that was brilliantly funny and think we should do again...
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.

Minx, this is a public forum running for a number of years. It goes back about 790 pages. It is not limited to page one.
If you want to reply to something, find it and reply. If you don't want to reply to something, don't.
I often resurrect threads - yes. I do it for a number of reasons. I mostly do it because I find the content of them interesting and/or funny. When I am looking at people's profiles, I check their forum posts. This often leads me back into the forum archives and makes me read an interesting thread. Sometimes other people agree and the thread continues/develops with current members adding to it and sometimes it dies a death.
Same thing happens with the new posts I start: some posts get legs and others just fade away.
Is it really that big a deal? If people want to reply to a thread, all they have to do is find it and reply and hey presto, it's back at the top of the page.
I'd hate to think I only delved so far... you know, I never got past the first page and limited myself - but then that's kinda like a metaphor for life in general isn't it?
Respectfully,
Nola x
I go back often! lol
I love seeing old threads, especially the funny ones, remembering old posters who aren't around any more, wondering how their lives have changed and whether one day they'll pop in to say hello.
Just because it's not on page one doesn't make it any less valid or any less readable. The search button is lots of fun for slow days and finding something that's entertaining from days of old is brilliant.
I don't think we need to be in the here and now all the time and looking through the vaults is a great exercise in nostalgia! wink
I'd love it if I turned up in years to come and someone was still playing the pervy points game or still posting pics in the weekly challenge.
I don't think its anywhere near as bad as it used to be here. It took me two months to pluck up the courage to post in here when I joined. I lurked a lot. It's lovely to see new people joining in. :mrgreen:
Fem has probably hit the nail on the head, a lot of topics have been covered before and for those of us who've been here a while have seen them over and over. I don't think it does any harm to have a search through old threads and see if you can find the help you need but equally I don't mind seeing a newbie diving in there and posting a thread to say hello and asking questions even if they've been asked a million times before. We were all new sometime! :wink:
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Ben I have seen all sorts going on in these forums.
But the one thing that I just don’t understand is like what happened the other day the threads were ticking along new posters were contributing and there were about 36 threads 90% of which were all from different posters in today’s forums.
Then whoosh an influx of threads of by gone days that wiped over half of them off the pages.
So it seems all those people that contributed to help what I call was a thriving forum voices disappeared lots of input seem irrelevant,
I have looked back over the revived threads most got another response or two then just faded.
Where the ones knocked off were thriving, one day I looked recently and every thread on page one around lunch time had a response that day so people were coming forward.
Now look only half the threads on page one has responses.
Just something I have noticed that annoyed me a little as I don’t understand it.

If the threads were thriving, they wouldn't be on page 2. confused
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.

I disagree. I think the funny threads, however old, actually encourage newbies to post far more than the serious debate threads. Newbies can still go beyond page one.
It's always the same people who moan on behalf of the newbies though.
... It is my belief, based on observation, that folk who contribute infrequently to this forum are more likely to suffer personal criticism for expressing their views than the regular contributors.
From the replies to this thread alone it appears the in fighting and personal criticism, however veiled continues ... whether the poster is new or old!
Can people not post opinions rather than responding to others posts to prove they know best ?
I agree with Ben ... it stops people from posting, i know it shouldn't but it puts me off for example.
I do agree that sometimes this happens.
I think sometimes people's reactions to a post can depend as much on who has written it, as the content of the post itself.
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It's always the same people who moan on behalf of the newbies though.

Can I ask if that comment is a comment on the thread or a personal criticism of me?
Of course all this has slightly strayed from Benrums original post, but thats just the way it goes on here!
Devils advocate time......this could now be percieved as the masses picking on one......remember I typed Devils advocate!
A old poster, not a new one says her stuff, and plenty say the opposite.....is that picking on someone...... no, its called you having your say, and the others having theirs!
We all read other peoples posts in our own various ways, read stuff into them that is not there, or may well be, what I am trying to say in MY own uneducated way is all posters views are valid, if they are posting in here and feel picked on by others, they usually can handle it themselves, or in my limited experience on this forum, the post gets locked, and the person is then protected that way.
I have only seen that happen once though.
Lucys post.
Quote by benrums0n

It's always the same people who moan on behalf of the newbies though.

Can I ask if that comment is a comment on the thread or a personal criticism of me?
It's not a personal criticism.
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From the replies to this thread alone it appears the in fighting and personal criticism, however veiled continues ... whether the poster is new or old!

Sorry to just pinch this bit, and up to a point, I do agree with what you are saying, but I think the forums need to be looked at in a wider perspective. Try to compare the forums with any real life situation, if there are new people around, it takes time to get to know them and sometimes, the odd funny, or sarcastic remark can be taken out of context. Naturally, people do react to this, sometimes in a good way, but often in what seems to be a harsh manner. When someone has been around for a while, other members do get to know their posting style and can often tell if it is something said tongue in cheek, or if it is a downright rude reply wink
Quote by Cherrytree
I do agree that sometimes this happens.
I think sometimes people's reactions to a post can depend as much on who has written it, as the content of the post itself.

Again I agree to a point and yes there are people who will respond in a over the top manner (good or bad) just because of the person who has made the initial post, but I do honestly think that it takes time for people to get to know each other, and often something wrote in jest, does not come across that way in a written format and is taken wrong. Thank goodness for emoticons biggrin
I think the 'dominant' types who end up in a row with all and sundry; become caricatures of themselves. They tend to keep up the image and this causes them to respond to most threads in a characterstic way. Which more often than not causes people to avoid their line of debate; because they know where and how the converstaion is likely to go.
People will become personal, because in many cases their thoughts are important to them. When the intellect breaks down through confusion or stress then people will defend themselves passionately with the most basic emotions. At which point again it becomes open to ridicule or abuse, but also people will avoid them when in this state.
The problem with old hands and strong characters is that often a thread will be directed quickly down a line of discussion with little or no hope of it becoming more accessible to a wider audience.
Quote by Freckledbird
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.

I disagree. I think the funny threads, however old, actually encourage newbies to post far more than the serious debate threads. Newbies can still go beyond page one.
It's always the same people who moan on behalf of the newbies though.
As is always the same ones that jump on their first few post wink
There are a couple of us that mention the forums when in the chat rooms and say once you get used to the first starting days it isnt a bad place to be. I believe there are a few here now that post.
I may well be wrong but.... this subject has been talked about before, and am sure it was by the same op? dunno
Is it also not possible, that as there are new members joining this site all the time, that new posters will appear?
I for one think the forums have a nice balance of topics. There all sorts to choose from, and that is exactly how it should be.
It is just like real life in here at times. Good things and not so good things.
IF people want to post or comment they will, and they will not if they don't. Can't see how that has changed now, or since SH's conception.
I think the forums have a great collection of posters, from ALL sides. Yes sometimes it can get a bit heavy, and sometimes it can get a litle stale.
Whether i like peoples opinions or not, does NOT detract from the fact that I really like the forums, and ALL the people that post, and I mean ALL. For without them the forums would just die.
Long live the forum and ALL it's posters.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.

you've certainly started the odd 15-20 threads in one go.
Quote by Mr-Powers
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.

you've certainly started the odd 15-20 threads in one go.
I was challanged one evening in the chatrooms to see if I could feel the whole first page up with threads, I got six up early one morning then Anais put one up and that put paid to that idea. I was told Lost tried it once for a laugh to.
That could be what you are talking about.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I have revived the odd old thread but not 15-20 in one go.
Looked at others posting and liked what I have seen.
I know it’s nice to look over old times remise on people past I don’t have a problem with that either.
I am not bothered about myself here contrary to some beliefs I am thinking of a boarder audience that cant remise and not inclusive, I believe it make them feel left out hence why a lot might not want to post.

you've certainly started the odd 15-20 threads in one go.
I was challanged one evening in the chatrooms to see if I could feel the whole first page up with threads, I got six up early one morning then Anais put one up and that put paid to that idea. I was told Lost tried it once for a laugh to.
That could be what you are talking about.
so it was done for a laugh...and you wonder why people like to revive the old threads!
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I was challanged one evening in the chatrooms to see if I could feel the whole first page up with threads, I got six up early one morning then Anais put one up and that put paid to that idea. I was told Lost tried it once for a laugh to.
That could be what you are talking about.

I didn't try it for a laugh minx it was because I was having a problem with a Mod who was being a bit (lot) over zealous saying that a political topic I initiated was too serious apparently. So I got in a pissy especially as a story of mine had been pulled too, with no explanation (however after I whinged the story eventually appeared) I decided I would try and convey my pissedoffedness by posting some of my previous topics showing the fact that they were a cross section of serious and lighthearted ones. It was nothing to do with me trying to be funny, just trying to make a point, badly I might add. But then I couldn't say what I wanted too because I would of faced a ban for sure.
As for the forums I do believe they can be a rough ride and that some posters go through a baptism of fire before acceptance. I also believe there is good case of the 'pack' reaction to a newbie if that nebie questions the opinion of a regular in a, I guess amateur fashion. Not sure if that conveys what I intend it to but hey.
really enjoy new posters and if they tend to end up on the end of a bit of stick then I'll back them up if I can and think its just a case of nervousness in their posts. I could be accused of being off hand with a newbie poster myself very recently in a thread but having been one of a few on the end of that posters absolute vitriol in a chatroom I thought i was very restrained. But with out explanation and corroberation of those facts I was probably quite wrong to do so.
This forums OK as forums are. In fact compared to many its dynamic expressive and overall polite for the most part
I posted a thread very early on in my forum career, and instantly regretted it. It was torn to bits and nearly put me off the forum for life. I'm glad I carried on reading and eventually had the confidence to add my own thoughts. I still haven't initiated many new threads but am now addicted to the forum. I can confirm that there is a certain status associated with having become a regular. A newbie seems to get little respect and has to be put in their place as a rite of passage, just to see if they have what it takes to become a forumite. A notable exception to this seems to have rightly been Resonance, who slotted in like he's always been there. Maybe it's because he blinded everyone with his wit and long-winded missives from an early stage. I have to say, he's a born poster wink