New laws against 'am I bovvered' kids

1 Apr 2007

loco parentis
I'll let you read the explanation yourself coz i'm tired and i don't know all the answers lol

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Juniper_couple
loco parentis
I'll let you read the explanation yourself coz i'm tired and i don't know all the answers

" loco" meens " mad" dosent it lol

if you where here you wouldnt be tired hun wink

( oh! bugger yes you would redface

)

1 Apr 2007

Quote by sercher01
loco parentis
I'll let you read the explanation yourself coz i'm tired and i don't know all the answers

" loco" meens " mad" dosent it lol

Exactly:giggle:
if you where here you wouldnt be tired hun wink

( oh! bugger yes you would redface

) Yep, probably crashed out on the bed an hour ago pmsl

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Mallock2006

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

Been there done that one!!
The problem is parents are governed by the childrens act ect,which can limit greatly what as a parent you can actually do.
I have been advised by the police not to try and stop my problem child from leaving the house when he has been grounded if it means i have to touch him, as even a nudge can/could be used against me as assult :shock: :shock:
I dont condone the use of any kind of violence towards children but what the law considers to be assult is far from violent,and is something that most of us do with out thought. I was the one left bruised and i was the one who spent 3 hours+ in the cells having my dna,pics ect taken!
It could have seriously affected my choice of work if i had been charged,and i spent 2 painfull weeks on bail before the charges were droped by the cps evil

The childrens act is there to protect children but certain aspects of it make my blood boil. Right im getting out of here quick because now im mad

and need a bath to chill.
Nicky

2 Apr 2007

Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now... sad

Am I the only one that thinks this way?
Mobile phones is that all!! In my day(oh it hurts to say that :cry: ) it was the fags and booze they used to knick errrmmmmm i mean confiscate. Fummily enough on walking past the staffroom there was always the hint of 'eau de public bar' emenatimg from within.

2 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

I agree Drew, there's other ways than hitting kids..but surely giving a child lines will make them think twice about their behaviour as opposed to having their mobile confiscated til home time! :shock:
I think that if a phone is being used in class, take away the phone. It is not a punishment, it is removing temptation.

2 Apr 2007

I wouldnt say doing lines was a great punishment, you just sellotape 5 biros together in a line and your done in no time, was over the moon when someone showed me that trick. 50 lines in about 90 secs, god that would stop you misbehaving!!
Top that off with my pal John always doing my mums signature on them, and Scott doing my dads, and hey presto, its not really a punishment at all.

2 Apr 2007

I problem with kids today...is we can't punish them the way we were or even when our parents were kids...we've gone soft and the kids of today know that,and play on that!
and as for Mobile phones in the classroom...wtf!!...its a classroom for learning not sitting around talking and texting your mates...damn right take it away,they would be lucky if they got it back if i was a teacher!!...kids and adults alike have grown a big dependency on mobile phones and i think its not good!

2 Apr 2007

Quote by swing_fun_cpl

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

Been there done that one!!
The problem is parents are governed by the childrens act ect,which can limit greatly what as a parent you can actually do.
I have been advised by the police not to try and stop my problem child from leaving the house when he has been grounded if it means i have to touch him, as even a nudge can/could be used against me as assult :shock: :shock:
I dont condone the use of any kind of violence towards children but what the law considers to be assult is far from violent,and is something that most of us do with out thought. I was the one left bruised and i was the one who spent 3 hours+ in the cells having my dna,pics ect taken!
It could have seriously affected my choice of work if i had been charged,and i spent 2 painfull weeks on bail before the charges were droped by the cps evil

The childrens act is there to protect children but certain aspects of it make my blood boil. Right im getting out of here quick because now im mad

and need a bath to chill.
Nicky
Nicky- :therethere: You poor sod :cry:

2 Apr 2007

Quote by swing_fun_cpl

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

Been there done that one!!
The problem is parents are governed by the childrens act ect,which can limit greatly what as a parent you can actually do.
I have been advised by the police not to try and stop my problem child from leaving the house when he has been grounded if it means i have to touch him, as even a nudge can/could be used against me as assult :shock: :shock:
I dont condone the use of any kind of violence towards children but what the law considers to be assult is far from violent,and is something that most of us do with out thought. I was the one left bruised and i was the one who spent 3 hours+ in the cells having my dna,pics ect taken!
It could have seriously affected my choice of work if i had been charged,and i spent 2 painfull weeks on bail before the charges were droped by the cps evil

The childrens act is there to protect children butcertain aspects of it make my blood boil. Right im getting out of here quick because now im mad

and need a bath to chill.
Nicky
Yes and was put in place because of the 'Victoria Climbie' case.. where 'parental' control went wrong sad

but I do feel for you Nicky, you seem to have went to hell and back and you didn't deserve it kiss

2 Apr 2007

Quote by
I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

I agree Drew, there's other ways than hitting kids..but surely giving a child lines will make them think twice about their behaviour as opposed to having their mobile confiscated til home time! :shock:
I think that if a phone is being used in class, take away the phone. It is not a punishment, it is removing temptation.
Of course. These days they are playing on the human rights bit where kids should have contact with their parents at all times. When I was a kid we didn't have mobiles and the school would simply pick up the office phone and ring my parents if needed, simple as.

2 Apr 2007

Where Mrs Kiss works if a pupil is seen with their mobile phone in class, it's taken away and not returned until the end of the day.

2 Apr 2007

Quote by Kiss
Where Mrs Kiss works if a pupil is seen with their mobile phone in class, it's taken away and not returned until the end of the day.

I seem to be following you round this morning :rascal:
This is a dig at the authorities not you here kiss.... what punishment is that tho? the kids just pick it up at the end of day and back to normal. Grrrrr.. when I was a kid anything confiscated went into a box and wasn't returned til end of term not end of day!
The way I'm seeing all this is that parents/authorities have had their autonomy taken away with reference to chastising of children. I used to be a believer of tapping the back of a child's hands if they nipped or hit someone, this is now frowned upon. There's a world of difference between a tap on the hand and a full blown whack on the head.
Teachers are not sometimes in fear of the children, years ago the kids were in fear of teachers. I went through school without one detention, my daughter has had regular detentions throughout her 5 years at high school (make up usage, uniform wear, no homework handed in - even when she said she had done it :shock: ) Detention now is par for the course, years ago it was an embarassment, something you were scared to tell your parents about.
I'm sorry but it's all going wrong and I'm thinking confiscation of mobile phones is not the answer, but whom am I to challenge laws, I'm just a simple parent. smile

2 Apr 2007

Parents have their role to play in the bringing up and teaching of morals ect and is something that shouldnt be shirked but society also has a responsibilty.
I feel sad for the children of today as they dont have alot of what was avalible to us at that age. Youth centers/play schemes are few and far between,freedom and inocence are no longer freely avalible and alot of children thro no fault of their own or there parents are now latch key children as both parents have to work for financial reasons.
In times past communitys worked together to shape children..we all must remember being told off by a adult if they saw us doing something that was dangerous or naughty? but now alot of people dont do this some because its not their problem and others from fear of it backfireing on them!
I fear for the future of my grandchildren if what i have seen happen over the last 20 years or so continues in its downward spiral.
Or maybe i am seeing things that are not there dunno

Nicky