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well funny this one i have posted very similar a couple of times before yet not as well worded admitedly but yet whilst looking back through the vaults for them they seem to of been removed rather odd
i have been using the forums for a good few years now and i have always felt its been a case of if your in with the in crowd which i most certainly ain't and thats no secret i don't like the group mentality and refuse to join in with it its not my bag i prefer to take every person on their own merits and even those i feel take advantage of their in crowd status i still take on board their views and opinions but do feel that they get away with much more than the rest of us
was just about to delete and not post as i way too often do
i'm fed up with starting to type my opinion then think oh whats the point and delete it
surely my opinion is just as important as evryone elses is
then why do i feel all the eyes rolling as they read mine then and see it in the replys
just for once i am going to click submit and to hell with it
just wish i had the eloquance to put things better
Quote by bouncy332
surely my opinion is just as important as evryone elses is

It sure it sweetcheeks wink
Quote by Sassy-Seren

surely my opinion is just as important as evryone elses is

It sure it sweetcheeks wink
sorry have i got chocolate all over them again hang on n i'll get a cloth :giggle:
Quote by bouncy332

surely my opinion is just as important as evryone elses is

It sure it sweetcheeks wink
sorry have i got chocolate all over them again hang on n i'll get a cloth :giggle:
Oh my......now I'm having very dirty thoughts :twisted:
Quote by Sassy-Seren

surely my opinion is just as important as evryone elses is

It sure it sweetcheeks wink
sorry have i got chocolate all over them again hang on n i'll get a cloth :giggle:
Oh my......now I'm having very dirty thoughts :twisted:
oh i say redface do share lol
The main thing I notice about these introspective type threads is that it makes people write a lot; about how little they wish to write.
Also they can actually become quite interesting, in telling other people how uninterested they are in the forum.
As a long standing member of this site and the forums, I have seen this kind of thread a few times.
Then always the same kind of replies.
There are so many different personalities on this site, just like any other site. This forum is very successful and the main reason for that is the ammount people post. IF people did not post or MORE importantly did not start threads, no matter what the topic....this forum would die.
It takes all sorts to make a world, and all sorts to make this forum a success, a good idea to remember that.
Contentious threads are part of this site, as contentious arguements away from this site, are also part of life.
IF the site owners do not like those kinds of threads, they can always delete them. But people enjoy reading them even if they sometimes do not like the content....it is part of life of which you cannot shut your eyes to it, it happens.
My pennies worth of which I could say more, but what's the point at the end of the day?
Got the T Shirt. lol
Well I`m not in anyones clique, I look thru the forum everyday and if I feel like posting I do, sometimes like Bouncy I delete it and think whats the point, I don`t get replies to my twopennorth but I`m not all that bothered to be honest, I just say what I say when I say it.
Some threads started by certain people are very contentious and I have found them extremely offensive and even found myself drawn in to replying to them, I`ve learnt my lesson now and stay out of those threads as when quite a few voiced their opinions the circle closed and it was a "oh they are brightening up the forum with their extreme opinions we should leave them alone", well I think we all can have extreme opinions but personally I would word it differently, a little tact wouldnt kill them I`m sure.
I want to read the forum and enjoy it at the end of the day
Like Bouncy I`ve read thru it and was going to delete it, my opinion doesn`t count anyway but there it is.
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Well I`m not in anyones clique, I look thru the forum everyday and if I feel like posting I do, sometimes like Bouncy I delete it and think whats the point, I don`t get replies to my twopennorth but I`m not all that bothered to be honest, I just say what I say when I say it.
Some threads started by certain people are very contentious and I have found them extremely offensive and even found myself drawn in to replying to them, I`ve learnt my lesson now and stay out of those threads as when quite a few voiced their opinions the circle closed and it was a "oh they are brightening up the forum with their extreme opinions we should leave them alone", well I think we all can have extreme opinions but personally I would word it differently, a little tact wouldnt kill them I`m sure.
I want to read the forum and enjoy it at the end of the day
Like Bouncy I`ve read thru it and was going to delete it, my opinion doesn`t count anyway but there it is.

it does count hunny trust me it may not be approved of by those that think they are the only ones that matter but trust me there are many more like me that do take on board every single opinion wether i agree with it or not and in this case i do
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As a long standing member of this site and the forums, I have seen this kind of thread a few times.
Then always the same kind of replies.
There are so many different personalities on this site, just like any other site. This forum is very successful and the main reason for that is the ammount people post. IF people did not post or MORE importantly did not start threads, no matter what the topic....this forum would die.
It takes all sorts to make a world, and all sorts to make this forum a success, a good idea to remember that.
Contentious threads are part of this site, as contentious arguements away from this site, are also part of life.
IF the site owners do not like those kinds of threads, they can always delete them. But people enjoy reading them even if they sometimes do not like the content....it is part of life of which you cannot shut your eyes to it, it happens.
My pennies worth of which I could say more, but what's the point at the end of the day?
Got the T Shirt. lol

I'll disagree to an extent.
I dont think this forum is particularly successful. Compared to the amount of people on the website its particularly unsuccessful in attracting members to use it. The % of members to forum users compared to other websites of a similar size is probably rubbish. Even with that said there are a lot of posts that make this forum but the forum members that post them change quite frequently. From when I started here I would say less than 10% of the posters have remained. In comparison on another site I belong to around 90% of the posters are the same as five years ago.
The main thing that keeps this interesting for me is that people who would consider swinging in their lifestyle I find quite entertaining. Good job the websites large enough that a few trickle through to the forum.
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Like Bouncy I`ve read thru it and was going to delete it, my opinion doesn`t count anyway but there it is.

Your opinions do count. If you post and nobody bothers to reply it's probably because they agree with you. The whole point of discussion is exactly that - to discuss. If every thread started with a single post followed by a load of :thumbup:s then it would make things very boring. I often skip over posting because someone else has already stated the point I wanted to make - and usually more eloquently too! ;-)
And there's certainly nothing wrong with seeing your avatars more often! :twisted:
Quote by tweeky
I dont think this forum is particularly successful. Compared to the amount of people on the website its particularly unsuccessful in attracting members to use it. The % of members to forum users compared to other websites of a similar size is probably rubbish.

You're not wrong. The forum take-up is disappointingly small compared to the number of people using the site at any moment in time. However, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say that the site Admins are aware of that, and they're keen to get more people using it. That said, there are a significant number of people who only browse and never post so I guess that tends to skew the figures a bit.
So, if you're reading this but don't post, pull up a chair and start typing! We want to hear what you have to say! :thumbup:
Quote by tweeky
As a long standing member of this site and the forums, I have seen this kind of thread a few times.
Then always the same kind of replies.
There are so many different personalities on this site, just like any other site. This forum is very successful and the main reason for that is the ammount people post. IF people did not post or MORE importantly did not start threads, no matter what the topic....this forum would die.
It takes all sorts to make a world, and all sorts to make this forum a success, a good idea to remember that.
Contentious threads are part of this site, as contentious arguements away from this site, are also part of life.
IF the site owners do not like those kinds of threads, they can always delete them. But people enjoy reading them even if they sometimes do not like the content....it is part of life of which you cannot shut your eyes to it, it happens.
My pennies worth of which I could say more, but what's the point at the end of the day?
Got the T Shirt. lol

I'll disagree to an extent.
I dont think this forum is particularly successful. Compared to the amount of people on the website its particularly unsuccessful in attracting members to use it. The % of members to forum users compared to other websites of a similar size is probably rubbish. Even with that said there are a lot of posts that make this forum but the forum members that post them change quite frequently. From when I started here I would say less than 10% of the posters have remained. In comparison on another site I belong to around 90% of the posters are the same as five years ago.
The main thing that keeps this interesting for me is that people who would consider swinging in their lifestyle I find quite entertaining. Good job the websites large enough that a few trickle through to the forum.
Yes good points tweeky but....
The same could be said for the chat rooms.
How many members does it say over there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now check at anytime how many are actually on line. IF those figures are correct then just like the forum, the chat rooms are also quite pathetic in numbers but....we all know the figures are not all they seem. wink
Hmmm, yeah, I'd agree with the numbers thing. If admin are looking to increase people using the forums they might want to consider the associated cost to use that part of the site?
I'd ask who was in the clique, but I bet fingers would be pointed in my direction for being in one. I don't really care. lol Although I don't feel like I am in 'the in crowd' from my perspective and sometimes I definitely feel like an outsider when I'm not replied to.... But I don't take it personally, it's an internet forum, so sometimes you're flavour of the month, other times you're the muck on the shoe. Swings and roundabouts. If it was 'all about me' I'd start a blog or a twitter page and save you all the ins and outs of my toenail clippings. :lol:
I use the site as I want, which means I come and go as I please, I know where the log out button is and use it! :lol:
I'm almost immune to the bun fights now, I've seen so many, been involved in a fair old few, been party to two or three splinter sites with fellow disgruntles and nearly always gravitated back here for the range of people there are here. Takes all sorts.
Being too nice to each other all the time is boring. As is too much navel gazing or retrospective or undercurrent snipes. It's all about balance. A bit of something for everyone.
I do think some of the older posters do need to stop making a thing of how long they've been here and what they remember etc... The 'good old times' are gone, don't pine for them, it won't bring them back. Time to make new good times, bad times, debates and discussions.
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Hmmm, yeah, I'd agree with the numbers thing. If admin are looking to increase people using the forums they might want to consider the associated cost to use that part of the site?
I'd ask who was in the clique, but I bet fingers would be pointed in my direction for being in one. I don't really care. lol Although I don't feel like I am in 'the in crowd' from my perspective and sometimes I definitely feel like an outsider when I'm not replied to.... But I don't take it personally, it's an internet forum, so sometimes you're flavour of the month, other times you're the muck on the shoe. Swings and roundabouts. If it was 'all about me' I'd start a blog or a twitter page and save you all the ins and outs of my toenail clippings. :lol:
I use the site as I want, which means I come and go as I please, I know where the log out button is and use it! :lol:
I'm almost immune to the bun fights now, I've seen so many, been involved in a fair old few, been party to two or three splinter sites with fellow disgruntles and nearly always gravitated back here for the range of people there are here. Takes all sorts.
Being too nice to each other all the time is boring. As is too much navel gazing or retrospective or undercurrent snipes. It's all about balance. A bit of something for everyone.
I do think some of the older posters do need to stop making a thing of how long they've been here and what they remember etc... The 'good old times' are gone, don't pine for them, it won't bring them back. Time to make new good times, bad times, debates and discussions.

Hoooray to that. :lol:
Quote by Kaznkev
well i know my frequent posting has annoyed some but i feel this is quite an easy forum for newcomers to be accepted into,and people worry too much about the cliques
About the lack of people who use the forum ermmmmmmmm this is a shagging site!Most people use it to arrange sex,now im wierd i like to get on with the people i shag,but it takes all sorts lol

There are none on here that I can see.
People agree with some and not others, that is what happens in life.
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well i know my frequent posting has annoyed some but i feel this is quite an easy forum for newcomers to be accepted into,and people worry too much about the cliques
About the lack of people who use the forum ermmmmmmmm this is a shagging site!Most people use it to arrange sex,now im wierd i like to get on with the people i shag,but it takes all sorts lol

You hit the nail on the head there Kaz. The forums have a lot of off topic subject matter i.e. the Current affairs forum etc etc. When you have these available you dont loose members who are no longer swinging. There are quite a few members on her who are not looking, not swinging or some by there own admission have never swung never will and just watch and read. When you consider that its not that surprising that the swinging community does not use them that much.
I belong to another set of websites that are non swinging related. On those websites about 5 years ago there was an off topic forum general chat forum blah blah. One day I arrived and signed in and they were all gone :shock: Only the forum directly related to the web sites purpose was remaining. The site coordinator took the off topic forums down so the website would actually be used for its intended purpose. We all thought it was total madness but I must say it has worked very well. Ok the site membership is down probably 80% but I now know every time I go to that site the only conversations I will engage in will be strictly on topic. I now get a lot more done and more quickly in that field.
Do you think I am going to suggest that course of action for here? NOOOO :lol: but it does explain why in the forum you might get a lot of the non swinging or non currently swinging crowd (Cough hangers on Cough) :haha: .
Quote by Kaznkev
all attacks of the i swing variety to be directed at tweeky,not me ! lol

In reality we dont ourselves. At one point it was not through a lack of trying but at the current moment in time I just cant be arsed to waste time looking anymore. We are still open to the idea but we dont really seek it out anymore. So I guess I am an hanger on wink
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all attacks of the i swing variety to be directed at tweeky,not me ! lol

In reality we dont ourselves. At one point it was not through a lack of trying but at the current moment in time I just cant be arsed to waste time looking anymore. We are still open to the idea but we dont really seek it out anymore. So I guess I am an hanger on wink
i couldn't hang on if i tried too bottom heavy rotflmao
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..but really i haven't said everything i would have liked to. why? because i am not free to say how i feel. how do i know? because that is what i have been told...

So I'd argue that you don't actually know that you can't say it then and that you've assumed you can't based on second hand information you've likely had via RO after his ban?
Again, it's not what you say, it's how you say it.
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actually BIoke, your assumptions are as off as admin's in thinking i knew things i didn' it's come direct from admin. this you see is exactly the point of what i have been trying to say. people make assumptions on how other people feel and react without knowing the facts first.

OK, well good point in case then, I assumed as I wasn't privy to the facts as you weren't prepared to share them earlier but your last post obviously is a little bit more honest and open.
Like I said in my very first post, it will continue to happen as long as people are implicit on here and don't say what they are really feeling/thinking. We assume, we react and so the monster grows.
Thanks for clarifying and I don't think you've said or done anything that breaks the AUP.
The AUP is the responsibility of the site management. Its them that makes the final decision. we the punters will use the site, have debates etc. but we only come up against the AUP if we deliberately push to cause offence. in the normal course of the debates, one can safely assume that the AUP is being applied simply because a thread remains open.
There have been several threads which were shut down as they appeared to be likely to arouse the wrong kind of behaviour, although nothing up to that point had actually breached the AUP; it just looked like it had the potential to happen.
Equally, a variety of potential offences have slipped through unnoticed because they were contained in a more subtle conversation, and the thread just rolled off the page; once everyone had tired of it.
So I am not sure the AUP is that effective and therefore I don't think it can be employed as a tool by the punters.
Maybe we should have another forum where you can say anything you like?
Please................oh please.......... lol
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Maybe we should have another forum where you can say anything you like?
Please................oh please.......... lol

another site im on the Anarchist group are in a twist cos they booted someone ,even anarchy has mods :lol:
How did that happen? Was he trying to establish some order? :lol2:
however, you have tried.
Why not post? You most certainly have not been told not to.
Therefore it would not be a wrong'un surely?
At least, that's how the logic would run.
"logic"
lp
I could post it for you...
or a "group conscience" could post it?
hmmm indeeed.
see, this is a demonstration of the very thing that some have stated thier fears of.
lp
Quote by varca
I have received a response from the Mods regarding what I would like to post on this thread in regard to whether or not I could post it and if so, would the content of my post break the AUP?
Disappointingly I did not receive a straight forward 'yes it would' or 'no, it would not' response.
dunno
And so I guess I have a decision to make as trying to qualify whether or not I will break the AUP if I post something did not elicit a yes/no answer means that if I do post, I run the risk of being banned.
Despite my disappointment, I would like to thank the Mod who has acted as my voice in this matter kiss

I can understand the mods reaction to that request. They can't see into the future, and they can't predict how people will react to the way a thread develops. They can only react when they see something which looks like its going astray.
Also it would be rather tedious to establish the mods as a vetting process for each individual's contribution. That would make each debate follow exactly the same pattern and the mods would be knackered.
Quote by Kaznkev
Maybe we should have another forum where you can say anything you like?
Please................oh please.......... lol

another site im on the Anarchist group are in a twist cos they booted someone ,even anarchy has mods :lol:
oh that has made my day modersted anarchy laughed so hard my face aches :giggle:
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i ran a thread similar to this a couple of weeks ago, some replied with good opinion while others just said if you don't like it ignore it, and then those who missed the point entirely either through reading with an incorrect context or by choice. that seems to be the general consensus of the site, if you don't like it ignore it or leave. so what's the point of trying to encourage open debate? i think enough people in the forum have said they feel they can't say what they want openly. that in itself should speak volumes but instead is brushed over and ignored, moderatored or banned.
personally i like the bebates, i've enjoyed the fox hunting one of flower's immencely and at some point i shall also post in there. it's good when they flow and people don't get aggressive or abusive. it's harsh though when others feel as though they can't post incase of ridicule of some form or another. i'm with bouncy and others who go to reply and then press the delete button as i also think 'what's the point?' not because it's a bad thread or that others have already said certain points, but because the feeling of freedom to my opinion is nolonger there. it's been mentioned about followers in this thread and my name has even been mentioned in relation to that. not that i have a problem with that. what i do have a problem with is that one person can say something and others first,second and third it and so on. however, if someone else writes something they would like to see changed and others agree with that post and say so it's seen as hounding, pointless, tiresome, critisium and having a dig. people feel the way they do for a reason and even if one person feels that way it's doesn't make them wrong. nore is it wrong to speak of it openly, or at least it shouldn't be but we are told that it is. when people are brushed over, ignored, told to like it or lump it, it causes resentment, frustration, disquiet, and lack of incentive. this then shows in posting style which other people then have a go about.
the talk of cliques and groups is very evident in the site whether people admit to it or not. there are also those who do appear to be above moderation but again when it's mentioned people are disregarded. other people's actions and reaction in the site are also spoken about with regard to 'face-to-face'. personally there are some people in here who i would have alot more to say to face-to-face should the inflection of their words come over in r/l as they do in here. that way they can't hide behind anything, it's right there for you to hear exactly how it was meant be it good or bad. there is also alot of talk about 'the good old days', i'm sorry but i don't see what was so different about the past. when i've looked through old threads i've seen just as much bickering, backbiting and digs going on as i do now. in actual fact some of the recent resurected posts show exactly the double edge some of us have been talking about. so that has always been there too.
BIoke you talk of staying in the AUP and respecting others, but that should work all ways and there are quite a few who feel that it doesn't. again people can't say that they are wrong in what they feel as they have been made to feel that way by situations.
i'm sure that most of my post will be read as me having a dig and so be it even though it's not. but really i haven't said everything i would have liked to. why? because i am not free to say how i feel. how do i know? because that is what i have been told.
it is sometimes a joy to be in this forum and there are times when i laugh so much my cheeks hurt. but at other times it's just hard work.
whips

put so much better than i could ever do :thumbup:
Quote by varca
I have received a response from the Mods regarding what I would like to post on this thread in regard to whether or not I could post it and if so, would the content of my post break the AUP?
Disappointingly I did not receive a straight forward 'yes it would' or 'no, it would not' response.
dunno
And so I guess I have a decision to make as trying to qualify whether or not I will break the AUP if I post something did not elicit a yes/no answer means that if I do post, I run the risk of being banned.
Despite my disappointment, I would like to thank the Mod who has acted as my voice in this matter kiss

Then that is a sad situation.
Post and be damned. IF your comments do not meet with the AUP's boundaries then am sure it can be " cleaned " like a few others have.
I do hope its good after ALL this build up Varca... I feel like an expectant Father wink
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I do hope its good after ALL this build up Varca... I feel like an expectant Father wink

Have you tried hanging round the loos near a maternity ward? :giggle: