Question about verification or quikies

23 Nov 2008

Quote by Suede-head
They wouldn`t have logged in to see the offending messages and probably dont use the forum ! Our point is the system is there that can be abused ... why do you need evidence ?

I have cut the rest out only because it makes the thread so damn long.
Not using the forums makes no difference because you get a green flashy envelope when you get a quickie a red one for a pm.
Any system no matter if its the royal mail, or here is open to abuse, all I'm saying is so far we have only heard about a precived threat and nothing else. That means we have only one side of an argument, to make a fully informed decision on any subject you need both sides, I have only seen one and I'm asking for the other one, theres nothing wrong in that is there?

23 Nov 2008

Quote by __random_orbit__

which brings me straight back to my original question, so far everyone is assuming that people will be harmed, so has anyone

there are many attempts to 'harm' 'reputations' here in the open forum... it happens anyway.
lp
so if it happens anyway......

23 Nov 2008

Quote by Ukwineman

which brings me straight back to my original question, so far everyone is assuming that people will be harmed, so has anyone

there are many attempts to 'harm' 'reputations' here in the open forum... it happens anyway.
lp
so if it happens anyway......
oh believe mr wine... I have no strong feelings for or against at present... as long as any features brought in have a level of control and disclosure given to the end users (you & I...and that lot!)
lp

23 Nov 2008

Have I missed something? Surely the AUP still applies...to all parts of the site? Including this part:
Non Acceptable Behaviour.
Abusive, aggressive, hateful or racist behaviour towards fellow members, Ops/Mods or Administration staff.
Surely this policy also covers quickie messages posted on anyone's profile, so anything abusive will be removed by the mods, and could result in a ban for the perpetrator. And the term "abusive" surely covers any message which reveals anything about another person which they want kept private, just as it has always done in the forums.
If anything has changed regarding the AUP, could admin please let us know?

23 Nov 2008

what if some vindictive git posted a phone no. for arguments sake and you didnt see it for a week or so it could cause someone a whole lot of grief

23 Nov 2008

Quote by dorkandwindy
what if some vindictive git posted a phone no. for arguments sake and you didnt see it for a week or so it could cause someone a whole lot of grief

funny you should saw that.. because I have so far seen telephone numbers left in them... and people trying to hide e-mail address's.... so just waiting for someone to put up an address for the triple crown.....
can i ask a serious question though....
if something is put up and it is against the AUP.... who is going to held accountable? the person who sent it, the person who left it up..... or both???

23 Nov 2008

Quote by fabio
what if some vindictive git posted a phone no. for arguments sake and you didnt see it for a week or so it could cause someone a whole lot of grief

funny you should saw that.. because I have so far seen telephone numbers left in them... and people trying to hide e-mail address's.... so just waiting for someone to put up an address for the triple crown.....
can i ask a serious question though....
if something is put up and it is against the AUP.... who is going to held accountable? the person who sent it, the person who left it up..... or both???
Hopefully you reported them, as should anyone else.
I'd have thought that the person who posted anything in breach of the AUP would be accountable. Then again, if a person's been logged in and could have removed it, maybe they are partly responsible for leaving it?

23 Nov 2008

Quote by Ukwineman
We have tested the quickies and think i am right in saying they do not appear until you have clicked on the flashy envelope. If this isn`t the case then it is a case for concern as many have said, messages can be left without being first monitored.

No this is not correct, they appear as soon as someone has sent them. If you don't log on for a week, they'll be there for everyone else to see for a week.

Would be happier if this was thought out and someone was listening to posters .... not everyone wants the quickies from random people and we need some means of stopping them, just as we have the automatic wink disbabler function.

We have been promised a means of deleting them before they go on public view, when the gliches are ironed out.
You are right Cherrytree ... can still see them. Thanks Mr Cube for the "test" How long till the gliches are ironed out and how many reputations may be harmed until they are ?
which brings me straight back to my original question, so far everyone is assuming that people will be harmed, so has anyone dunno

Well I didn't for a start and quite a few others haven't as well.
UKW I really can't see the point of starting this thread because it is sure as hell not a way to find out that there isn't abuse and if anything it'll either raise unwarranted fears over nothing or give some people bad ideas.
Sorry I'm just a bit perplexed that's all.
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23 Nov 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
what if some vindictive git posted a phone no. for arguments sake and you didnt see it for a week or so it could cause someone a whole lot of grief

funny you should saw that.. because I have so far seen telephone numbers left in them... and people trying to hide e-mail address's.... so just waiting for someone to put up an address for the triple crown.....
can i ask a serious question though....
if something is put up and it is against the AUP.... who is going to held accountable? the person who sent it, the person who left it up..... or both???
Hopefully you reported them, as should anyone else.
I'd have thought that the person who posted anything in breach of the AUP would be accountable. Then again, if a person's been logged in and could have removed it, maybe they are partly responsible for leaving it?
assuming the person has logged in and actually realised that something has been posted on their profile.
Whe the changed first came in I learned alot from coming on the forum but alot of people dont use the forum so I can imagine they could be having a difficult time getting round the changes.
Also when it first changed someone posted a quickie on my profile naming a dogging location, I actually had to come back onto the forum and sift through pages just to find out how to delete it from my profile!!!!
I dread to think what other personal information has been left on other profiles that have yet to be deleted.

24 Nov 2008

The reason I started this thread was because I had seen verification used on other sites, and seeing as people see quicikes as a form of it I would actually dare to bring up a subject that IMO needed to be discussed so that people care air thier views and whilst glitches are ironed out those changes if need be can be put right.
We seem to be able to debate and discuss some very subjects in here, but this seems not to be one so
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24 Nov 2008

depends what you call hurt.
i had a message left form a guy i had met. i wont go into detail about hwat it said but it made it clear we had met sexually.
at that time i couldnt even delete it, it was there and the reprocussions are people know i played with him, peopleare dick heads and i get pms asking me to do the same to them.
i think said guy thought he was doing me a favour.
until the quickies are sorted so that ppl cant leave crap without my permission then i am on edge ,checking my profile to see if any thing has appeared.
not every one realises that quickies are available for ALL to read, some will post thinking it is private.
i know the AUP still works here, but its upto each memeber to keep checking their own profile.
ok when the system is sorted who will be to blame when matey people allow others to use their quickies board to post their email address tel numbers etc ??
the one whoposte dit or the one wholet it be there??
who is moding this? or is it down to us to report every quickie we see that we think is wrong?
sorry ive rambled on
in rely on another site about 2 years ago a member on here who was miffed that i did not want to see him a second time posted on another site my home address, much in a quickie method.
it was a site i didnt use much any more,a member there who knew me called me and said if i didnt reply in 1 hour he was calling the police as the post on profilegave my name, my home address said i was such a slag my 12 year old daughter was probally fair game aswell.
i logged in and deleted it, and thank fully i was able to ,ie not stuck in work for the next 4 hours.
if this glitch isnt sorted damm fast then i think it should be disabled NOW.
xxx fem xxx

24 Nov 2008

managed to disable ours now fem go to acc. settings

24 Nov 2008

Quote by dorkandwindy
managed to disable ours now fem go to acc. settings

Me to D&W. At last we have a choice whether we want people to send and see messages posted by others !

24 Nov 2008

Quote by dorkandwindy
managed to disable ours now fem go to acc. settings

So have I

24 Nov 2008

thank you ,ive disabed mine.
might add a profile note that i will not consider meeting any one who uses them either.
i dont mind someone saying someone really a male,female etc ,but it makes my stomak turn reading about whos fucked who, ewghh

24 Nov 2008

im with you on that fem.
I dont like to say who ive met etc.
But if someones going to say something im not, stuff its shit stiring they want to do then fuck aint worth wiping off my shoes!
and better off without them

24 Nov 2008

Quote by Ukwineman
The reason I started this thread was because I had seen verification used on other sites, and seeing as people see quicikes as a form of it I would actually dare to bring up a subject that IMO needed to be discussed so that people care air thier views and whilst glitches are ironed out those changes if need be can be put right.
We seem to be able to debate and discuss some very subjects in here, but this seems not to be one so
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I'm sorry my friend. I wasn't having a go. I just honestly couldn't see how the absence of abuse as you were asking for evidence of would prove anything either way. That's all.
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24 Nov 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
managed to disable ours now fem go to acc. settings

So have I

That's a shame - I've lost a quickie - I was quite proud o' me first one.
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24 Nov 2008

Quote by westerross
The reason I started this thread was because I had seen verification used on other sites, and seeing as people see quicikes as a form of it I would actually dare to bring up a subject that IMO needed to be discussed so that people care air thier views and whilst glitches are ironed out those changes if need be can be put right.
We seem to be able to debate and discuss some very subjects in here, but this seems not to be one so
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I'm sorry my friend. I wasn't having a go. I just honestly couldn't see how the absence of abuse as you were asking for evidence of would prove anything either way. That's all.
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To be honest I should apologise to you for using your reply to emphasise my point, and I realise you were not having a go :thumbup:
But I will say how can you prove a negative dunno

fem4taboo makes a very good point and my heart goes out you you in that instance.
mikenorth also makes a good point on the AUP
From what I have read in this thread and the other one the main issues about privacy have been sorted, in otherwords the people have spoken, certain things have been changed and the world keeps turning.

24 Nov 2008

I saw these as a fun thing - like leaving messages on Facebook - hadn't even thought about them being used to verify or abuse - shows how daft I am!

24 Nov 2008

So we can now disable quickies, that will put a lot of people's minds at rest.
Genuine question - did I miss the announcement telling people this?

25 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
Well done wineman :thumbup:
I started a thread to discuss the quickies and it got locked within about three and a half seconds :shock:
You musta got the wording right !!
But ....the "locker" tells me that it wasn`t her that cast the vote in me poll ...and it wasn`t me :shock:
So who the hell got in there quick enough to vote before it got locked ???
Sorry for hijack
I don`t see why anybody has to prove that they have been abused through a verification system .... the fact that it is open to abuse because it is impossible for mods to police every profile 24/7 is enough for me .....and of course the fact that we have been told in no uncertain terms over and over again that SH will never have one ...
Quickies provide nothing at all that the pm system doesn`t already provide....except for the ability to post stuff on a persons profile in a "less moderated" enviroment, that is also open for everybody to see.
Rather than ask people when they have been abused under such a system shouldn`t we be asking what extra advantages it provides.....other than the obvious ability to verify ???
AND !!!
What really pisses me off is that none of the people that have met me have verified me in a quickie yet !!! :lol:

Your thread has to go down as one of the quickest to get locked in Sh history! :lol:
Do you get a prize for that :dunno:

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25 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
Rather than ask people when they have been abused under such a system shouldn`t we be asking what extra advantages it provides.....other than the obvious ability to verify ???

I'm not picking on you Flower, that was a good quote to reply to like the other thread.
Any feedback system can be abused, any website that allows people to post things can be abused, thats web 2.0 and the moment people using the Internet got the option to start posting its wide open to abuse.
Anything can be abused if you have the will to do it, the photo ads, chat, forum and members profiles regularly get abused with all sorts of stuff, thats web 2.0, its a fine line between freedom and censorship, we are incredibly lucky here in that a number of the members take exception to the site being abused and put in reports, we also have the mods and ops proactively looking for abuse, so all in all I think its better to have the option than not.
What extra advantage does the quickie provide, for me a bit of fun and interaction outside the forum, for others somewhere to say something nice about someone they like, some people like that and those that don't can opt out.
Myself I think its better to have the choice and option to do it, there are risks as people don't always tell the truth, I know that and I'm pretty sure that nobody here believes that every word or option set on someones profile is 100% true.
Here we have accountability if people do abuse the system, they pay the price.