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This has to be a wind up doesn't it? confused :? :?
The country hasn't gone that PC, has it?
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dunno :dunno: :dunno:
it must be april 1st
this is a bunch of bollocks pile up in a 366 page of abnoxious idiocy to criminalise innocent children at the tender age of 3,so what if a child does like chinise or indian food,not many kids eat vegetables what will they label them
one doesnt have to hate foreign food to be a racist!
Quote by Phuckers
one doesnt have to hate foreign food to be a racist!

or be a racist to hate foreign food!! confused :? lol :lol:
Quote by Sgt Bilko
one doesnt have to hate foreign food to be a racist!

or be a racist to hate foreign food!! confused :? lol :lol:
stop confusing me sgt not sure what to have for lunch now...errr :?
where does kebab come from!
Indeed they are racist little fluckers, I propose a good beating with an electric cattle prod to cleanse the heretical little gits of this abominable attitude.
Stormwalker: Lord high bollock talker of the Inquisition.
no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.
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no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: "Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships."
It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", "Pakis", "those people" or "they smell".
The guide goes on to warn that children might also "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuk'".
Staff are told: "No racist incident should be ignored. When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action."

The article is a bit of a ramble and isn't explicit enough in the message it's trying to get across. In fact it seems to me that the article is trying to create controversy where none exists.
confused
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no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: "Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships."
It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", "Pakis", "those people" or "they smell".
The guide goes on to warn that children might also "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuk'".
Staff are told: "No racist incident should be ignored. When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action."

The article is a bit of a ramble and isn't explicit enough in the message it's trying to get across. In fact it seems to me that the article is trying to create controversy where none exists.
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i think you might be right....
funnily enough, last night i was taken for a meal by a client of mine to show his appreciation for something i did for him. I suggested a curry.
The meal was fantastic.. really spicy and flavoursome.. however, early on in the meal he found it necessary to tell some jokes, many of which could be construed as racist.
After a few of these i told him to give it a rest as i wasnt impressed.
This morning he sent me a text saying how he was suffering internally from the curry and the more it exited his person, the more pain he was experiencing.
I told him it must have been the Chicken KARMA he had eaten last nite........ wink
wouldnt suprise me at all if it is genuine, this countries gone mad with all its political correction crap, if you don't like something you don't like it what country it comes from don't even come into it, daft t**ts lol
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actually the attitudes of children and what they eat come from their parents first and then their peer groups. my son has never had a problem trying new foods and was never made awear of what country the foods came from.
if the goverment really wants to tackle racist issues it's starting in the wrong place. it should start with the adults, but then again it has been trying to do that for many years and it's not working that way either. we were all told about how wrong it was to be racist at school but that didn't stop me being bullied because of my colour. quite frankly it's rediculous for them to think that any teacher is going to hear what most children are going to say at meal times anyway. seeing other children eat is usually what gets the reluctent ones to try, as has been proven with veg. at the end of the day racisum is never going to be stopped and i doubt that most 3 year olds are going to be able to comment on what they are eatting other than to say whether they like it or not. if they say yuk then so what?
there comes a point where racisum is concentrated on so much that rather than stopping it it only highlights it more.
all bullying needs to be stopped but i think racisum is a losing battle. it's not just the 'whites' (and i use the term loosely) of this country that need teaching about racisum. the asian population are sadly just as bad if not worse in some cases. i know this from personal experience. worrying about how a child reacts to food is the least of there worries.
whips

Pure genius Whips! I couldn't agree with you more. :thumbup:
The other thing to remember is that racism isn't just something that happens to black people. Black people can be racist against white people too :shock:
We all do it against each other and we should be more aware of what we say and do when it's unintentional. However we must be mindful of not making something a bigger problem than it really is.
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Yet another tax-payer funded quango, this time to the tune of £12m trying to justify it's position by issuing something that is fuzzy but a bit controversial and as a result gets its name in the papers.
What a total waste of money - we have pensioners who cannot afford to heat their homes, NICE are denying treatment to Alzheimers sufferers for the sake of a couple of quid a day and unclean hospitals and I am pissed off to see OUR money (the Government don't have any money of their own to throw around) continually wasted on rubbish like this.
This country is sadly becoming an international joke, the only problem is the total lack of any decent politcical opposition who should be having a field day with material like this yet are too scared to raise their head above the parapet. If they did they would soon see just how fed up the vast majority are.
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actually the attitudes of children and what they eat come from their parents first and then their peer groups. my son has never had a problem trying new foods and was never made awear of what country the foods came from.
if the goverment really wants to tackle racist issues it's starting in the wrong place. it should start with the adults, but then again it has been trying to do that for many years and it's not working that way either. we were all told about how wrong it was to be racist at school but that didn't stop me being bullied because of my colour. quite frankly it's rediculous for them to think that any teacher is going to hear what most children are going to say at meal times anyway. seeing other children eat is usually what gets the reluctent ones to try, as has been proven with veg. at the end of the day racisum is never going to be stopped and i doubt that most 3 year olds are going to be able to comment on what they are eatting other than to say whether they like it or not. if they say yuk then so what?
there comes a point where racisum is concentrated on so much that rather than stopping it it only highlights it more.
all bullying needs to be stopped but i think racisum is a losing battle. it's not just the 'whites' (and i use the term loosely) of this country that need teaching about racisum. the asian population are sadly just as bad if not worse in some cases. i know this from personal experience. worrying about how a child reacts to food is the least of there worries.
whips

Pure genius Whips! I couldn't agree with you more. :thumbup:
The other thing to remember is that racism isn't just something that happens to black people. Black people can be racist against white people too :shock:
We all do it against each other and we should be more aware of what we say and do when it's unintentional. However we must be mindful of not making something a bigger problem than it really is.
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I am with you on this one bbw_lover... I experience this first hand when I'm in London sometimes.. and in Oxford.. it happens everywhere. But I try and keep my cool as it doesn't help to pour petrol on the fire if you get my drift.
One thing I said to you is that we're all the same underneath.. we should all remember that.
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FFS whatever next....prob isn't a wind up and it'll be right. The thing is and I'm not being funny but if you had a child sitting down from an ethnic minority who said 'yuk' to fish and chips.... would that get into the Telegraph?
I'm sick of it all now to be honest. evil
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wouldnt suprise me at all if it is genuine, this countries gone mad with all its political correction crap, if you don't like something you don't like it what country it comes from don't even come into it, daft t**ts lol

Commissar Brown's Britain is almost bankrupt but the political class still insist on spending tax receipts on crap like this.
I haven't read it (nor would I bother tbh) but I bet it's full of spelling mistakes and poor grammar..
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...
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no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

Sorry but is that comment a wind up? lol :shock:
The artical probably is a wind up..it's from the telegraph fgs.
How can anyone possibly think a child of 3 can be racist? What has gone so terribly wrong with this really do need to get out more.
When are people going to stop the racist card at every little thing. The funny thing is it is not black people that see this kind of thing as racist at all, it seems to be white people. I just cannot imagine how any black person would think that artical was based on any kind of racism.
My 5 year old came home from school the other day and I asked him "had he had a nice day?" and who he played with. He told me I played with xxxx my Indiany friend lol he's quite fond of his Indiany friend smile
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When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.

:thumbup: Couldn't agree more anais. Working with kids, I find that food is a great way to introduce ideas about culture, diversity, traditions etc. It gets them talking and discussing bigger 'issues' in quite a non-threatening, easily-accessible way. (Oh, and we all get to learn some great new recipes and eat some really tasty food!!)
And, I know I have snipped your post, but I also agree that am sure the article is out of context and not nearly as inflammatory as it may sound.
oh Hitler was a vegeterian!
My son talks about his coloured neighbour as the "brown boy" no menace meant at all just a way of him describing the boy
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no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

Sorry but is that comment a wind up? lol :shock:

what do you mean by "wind up?"
I didnt mean it as such,but it has definately wound you up a bit. im not sure because of your use of emoticons.
The short answer is that its not a wind up.
the long answer is as follows:
i think i took the time to look at this matter deeply and rationally as a matter of fact based on the limited info available.
its my answer to the question that directly proceeds the nicest way possibly, I meant what i you should read it again, in the context in which it was meant.
for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.
i clearly used the words "could be". We dont know if things like this happen or whether a teacher would intervene is a hypothesis. a guide is being offered to help prevent things getting out of hand.
the term "Narrow minded" obviously doesnt need explaining to you as your post is a clear example of narrow mindedness.
i think its clear to see i am anti-discrimination.
your way of thinking has a flavour of bigotry im afraid... otherwise you would clearly that those seeking to acheive a non-discriminatory society are doing a good thing... as opposed to being threatened by it. What does it matter what colour/ethnicity/race those seeking to achieve racial harmony and integration are? we all might have our own stories of discrimination to tell.
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for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.

The one problem I can see from your absolutism "it is racism" is that it is based on an adult's rationale and understanding. What it doesn't do is understand the "cos its what brown people eat" from a child's perspective. Children are not inherently or naturally racist, neither are they experts at explaining themselves or expressing thoughts that are in their heads.
Rather than look at it as a racist comment, try looking it as a comment from someone who doesn't know how else to explain why he or she doesn't like something, especially when they are being probed as to why they don't like it.
As someone with a communication disorder I've spent my whole life being misunderstood and take it from me that when you don't know how to express yourself in a language as complicated as English when you haven't yet got the gist of it, it can come out wrong and not in the way one meant. I've spent 48 years trying to get it right and yet I still get it wrong a lot of the time, so how the hell can a kid as young as 3 stand a chance?
To read racism into children's comments like this is wrong and inherently dangerous. I do wish to fuck that adults would sometimes try and see things from a child's perspective before reading their own values into what a kid is actually saying.
:thumbup: what Peanut said
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no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

Sorry but is that comment a wind up? lol :shock:
The artical probably is a wind up..it's from the telegraph fgs.
How can anyone possibly think a child of 3 can be racist? What has gone so terribly wrong with this really do need to get out more.
When are people going to stop the racist card at every little thing. The funny thing is it is not black people that see this kind of thing as racist at all, it seems to be white people. I just cannot imagine how any black person would think that artical was based on any kind of racism.
Well spotted Kentswingers! :thumbup:
In truth most black people would be just as mystified by that article as everyone else seems to be.
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Quote by DeeCee
no offence, but has anyone actually read the article properly???
i think it says that children might well not like certain new/foreign foods, but the reasons WHY they might not like it is important.
If they say "yuk" i dont like it because of the taste then that is course it is.
If they say that they dont like it because its foreign then this could mean that they hold "racist" views. I think that is right and I think its important that children learn that if you dislike something/someone simply because its/they are foreign... then theres something wrong in that.
the article ends with the question "Is disliking spicy food a sign of racism?"... i think the answer is that it could be and im all for teachers/play leaders/parents working to stamp such narrow minded attitudes out at an early age.

Sorry but is that comment a wind up? lol :shock:

what do you mean by "wind up?"
I didnt mean it as such,but it has definately wound you up a bit. im not sure because of your use of emoticons.
The short answer is that its not a wind up.
the long answer is as follows:
i think i took the time to look at this matter deeply and rationally as a matter of fact based on the limited info available.
its my answer to the question that directly proceeds the nicest way possibly, I meant what i you should read it again, in the context in which it was meant.
for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.
i clearly used the words "could be". We dont know if things like this happen or whether a teacher would intervene is a hypothesis. a guide is being offered to help prevent things getting out of hand.
the term "Narrow minded" obviously doesnt need explaining to you as your post is a clear example of narrow mindedness.
i think its clear to see i am anti-discrimination.
your way of thinking has a flavour of bigotry im afraid... otherwise you would clearly that those seeking to acheive a non-discriminatory society are doing a good thing... as opposed to being threatened by it. What does it matter what colour/ethnicity/race those seeking to achieve racial harmony and integration are? we all might have our own stories of discrimination to tell.
Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.
Quote by Peanut
for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.

The one problem I can see from your absolutism "it is racism" is that it is based on an adult's rationale and understanding. What it doesn't do is understand the "cos its what brown people eat" from a child's perspective. Children are not inherently or naturally racist, neither are they experts at explaining themselves or expressing thoughts that are in their heads.
Rather than look at it as a racist comment, try looking it as a comment from someone who doesn't know how else to explain why he or she doesn't like something, especially when they are being probed as to why they don't like it.
As someone with a communication disorder I've spent my whole life being misunderstood and take it from me that when you don't know how to express yourself in a language as complicated as English when you haven't yet got the gist of it, it can come out wrong and not in the way one meant. I've spent 48 years trying to get it right and yet I still get it wrong a lot of the time, so how the hell can a kid as young as 3 stand a chance?
To read racism into children's comments like this is wrong and inherently dangerous. I do wish to fuck that adults would sometimes try and see things from a child's perspective before reading their own values into what a kid is actually saying.

Whilst we do not agree much peanut your comments above are spot on m8.
Now give me a hug. lol :lol:
We have had kids arrive and announce they wont eat certain things because their parents don't like the culture that the food originated from. It's fairly easy to eradicate poor thinking like this - don't be PC, just explain why they are wrong and their parents are wrong. Who needs friends who are not prepared to think and that are not prepared to see that all humans have faults?
If you are not part of the solution here, then you are part of the problem, surely? confused:
This is a blatant example of making a story out of nothing. What did the original report say? Nothing, that is why it was not accurately reported. It is just the newspaper putting a twist on it. Easily reported sound bites by people that do not care.mad
Just highlights a big problem - how many journalists are chasing too few stories. Have you aver considered how many reporters/ news programmes are about with the expansion of radio, 24hr TV News and the internet? Add to that the fact that every journalist wants to get the next big scoop to send their careers soaring and you have a recipe for making stories out of nothing.
It is no wonder that we have such a negative culture in Britain at the moment and where people are more suspicious that supportive of each other when we are bombarded every day by this kind of rubbish.
Sorry, end of rant!
Shay
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Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
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for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.

The one problem I can see from your absolutism "it is racism" is that it is based on an adult's rationale and understanding. What it doesn't do is understand the "cos its what brown people eat" from a child's perspective. Children are not inherently or naturally racist, neither are they experts at explaining themselves or expressing thoughts that are in their heads.
Rather than look at it as a racist comment, try looking it as a comment from someone who doesn't know how else to explain why he or she doesn't like something, especially when they are being probed as to why they don't like it.
As someone with a communication disorder I've spent my whole life being misunderstood and take it from me that when you don't know how to express yourself in a language as complicated as English when you haven't yet got the gist of it, it can come out wrong and not in the way one meant. I've spent 48 years trying to get it right and yet I still get it wrong a lot of the time, so how the hell can a kid as young as 3 stand a chance?
To read racism into children's comments like this is wrong and inherently dangerous. I do wish to fuck that adults would sometimes try and see things from a child's perspective before reading their own values into what a kid is actually saying.

Whilst we do not agree much peanut your comments above are spot on m8.
Now give me a hug. lol :lol:
Im worried about you Kent confused Your getting fluffy :lol2:
Peanut that was a great post and I agree with just about all of it.
It still is racism tho... and that I believe is an ideal time when children who don't understand what they are saying (because they are following adult talk) to start teaching them what is/isn't correct, by using child development methods and tools that the worker can use in play.
I think the keeping record part is used for statistical purposes that may be linked to funding. I don't work in play/child development so this all from the little knowledge I've picked up from my sister..so I might be way off mark :lol: