Racist Children?

9 Jul 2008

Quote by DeeCee

Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
Saying my views had a " flavour of bigotry ", means my views are bigoted. You can paint the picture whatever way you like, that is what you meant.
My views will always be that the vast majority of racist comments come from white liberals. Once again I say ask any black person if they find such things racist, I am sure most will say no. On that note how can they be racist if the very person you aim that kind of comment too, does not think they are racist? :shock:
I still cannot see for the life of me how you can label a 3 year old racist fgs. They need to concentrate a bit more on teaching the 3 r's in schools so they leave being able to read and write properly, not to be taught sex and drugs and racist points at 3 or 4 years of age. The worlds gone stark raving bonkers....plus the weathers rubbish. lol

9 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
for example, If a child doesnt like a food " cos its what brown people eat" it is racism. it is narrow minded, It is is not the end of the world as far as racism goes, but it is nontheless wrong.

The one problem I can see from your absolutism "it is racism" is that it is based on an adult's rationale and understanding. What it doesn't do is understand the "cos its what brown people eat" from a child's perspective. Children are not inherently or naturally racist, neither are they experts at explaining themselves or expressing thoughts that are in their heads.
Rather than look at it as a racist comment, try looking it as a comment from someone who doesn't know how else to explain why he or she doesn't like something, especially when they are being probed as to why they don't like it.
As someone with a communication disorder I've spent my whole life being misunderstood and take it from me that when you don't know how to express yourself in a language as complicated as English when you haven't yet got the gist of it, it can come out wrong and not in the way one meant. I've spent 48 years trying to get it right and yet I still get it wrong a lot of the time, so how the hell can a kid as young as 3 stand a chance?
To read racism into children's comments like this is wrong and inherently dangerous. I do wish to fuck that adults would sometimes try and see things from a child's perspective before reading their own values into what a kid is actually saying.
Whilst we do not agree much peanut your comments above are spot on m8.
Now give me a hug. lol

:lol:
Im worried about you Kent confused

Your getting fluffy :lol2:
Peanut that was a great post and I agree with just about all of it.
It still is racism tho... and that I believe is an ideal time when children who don't understand what they are saying (because they are following adult talk) to start teaching them what is/isn't correct, by using child development methods and tools that the worker can use in play.
I think the keeping record part is used for statistical purposes that may be linked to funding. I don't work in play/child development so this all from the little knowledge I've picked up from my sister..so I might be way off mark :lol:
Fluffy? :lol:
Sometimes it is nice to be nice. :lol:
Now I see your a moderator, does that mean I have to watch my p's and q's ? :lol:

9 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
plus the weathers rubbish.

At least we can all agree on something :-)

9 Jul 2008

Quote by Steve
plus the weathers rubbish.

At least we can all agree on something :-)
we need to go back to our fighting mode am getting bored being nice plus the place is turning to be a personal diary.
is this the steamroom?

9 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...

I disagree completely there Anais. Numbers don't come into it. And if they did, what would be the situation in the areas where white people are now in the minority? Racism is not about minorities, majorities or colour. In fact, I used to walk through a subway on my way home from work with the following daubed on it "Keep Wales tidy, kill the English." According to your theory that couldn't be racist.

9 Jul 2008

Quote by Peanut
I do wish to fuck that adults would sometimes try and see things from a child's perspective before reading their own values into what a kid is actually saying.

i thats why i said " could be racist", because i considered the possibility from this angle.
what children say and what they mean are sometimes completely different things. I studied Child language aquisition and language for a number of years.
could be is the operative word that shows i am open to it being either racist or not, therefore tolerant of other peoples viewpoints. It actually shows that in this matter im somewhere in the middle.
:small-print: :small-print: :small-print:
:jagsatwork:
nice rant and snip though!!! even if a little wide of the mark.

9 Jul 2008

Quote by winchwench
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...

I disagree completely there Anais. Numbers don't come into it. And if they did, what would be the situation in the areas where white people are now in the minority? Racism is not about minorities, majorities or colour. In fact, I used to walk through a subway on my way home from work with the following daubed on it "Keep Wales tidy, kill the English." According to your theory that couldn't be racist.
Its not my theory (although that's what I believe), its what I was taught at Uni and included in internal Equality training.
I would say what was written on the wall is being prejudiced towards the English (sp?)
I don't feel it would matter if the majority in a community are black or white... the city as whole is probably predominately white.
Racism has so many elements to it though and this is only touching on some it...

9 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
Saying my views had a " flavour of bigotry ", means my views are bigoted. You can paint the picture whatever way you like, that is what you meant.
My views will always be that the vast majority of racist comments come from white liberals. Once again I say ask any black person if they find such things racist, I am sure most will say no. On that note how can they be racist if the very person you aim that kind of comment too, does not think they are racist? :shock:
I still cannot see for the life of me how you can label a 3 year old racist fgs. They need to concentrate a bit more on teaching the 3 r's in schools so they leave being able to read and write properly, not to be taught sex and drugs and racist points at 3 or 4 years of age. The worlds gone stark raving bonkers....plus the weathers rubbish. lol

well i cant be clearer than i already am.. my signature clearly states i say what i mean. If you want to feel offended then that's your baggage.
you might want to read my posts again tooo. At what point did i ever say or agree that a 3 year old could be racist? doh, Kent... you are way tooooooo angry.
where have i ever discussed or said anything age specific.
is there any need to rant????

9 Jul 2008

Quote by Whipsnspurs
anais let me paint you a picture and see who you think is being racist to whom.
i'm at a muslim pakistani wedding, i'm dressed in traditional clothing. my hair is long and black and my skin is dark. i'm down stairs with all the other women, few of whom i actually know. a white man tries to enter the room and all hell is let loose. the cousin of the chap who's wedding it is is in the room and explains to the other women that this white man is actually looking for me as he's my partner. may be you would think that they would think this is fine. but no i was insulted for being with a white man. now you may think that this is just part of their culture and their protectiveness of their girls. except for the fact that they have assumed i am asian when actually i'm greek. was this racism? if so who was it aimed at, me or spurs?
i get it all the time, they assume that i'm asian and make assumptions about my lifestyle based on that. i don't like it but i'm not about to shout that they are being racist.
it happens all the time that sooner or later everyone asks me where i come from. most of the time i'm going to say doncaster even though i know that's not what they mean. it's curiostity, i just like to toy with them a little before i answer.
whips

Sounds an unpleasant experience for you and based on assumption, especially if you were dressed in traditional Muslim dress and you have dark skin.
But I still don't believe its racism as I understand it.
I've been at a party as the only blonde white looking woman present and one man refused to shake my hand because I'm white...that was based on his prejudices and beliefs he has of white people (long story that I wont go into).
They are some who believe in reverse racism and might categorize your, mine and others experience as that dunno

9 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...

I disagree completely there Anais. Numbers don't come into it. And if they did, what would be the situation in the areas where white people are now in the minority? Racism is not about minorities, majorities or colour. In fact, I used to walk through a subway on my way home from work with the following daubed on it "Keep Wales tidy, kill the English." According to your theory that couldn't be racist.
Its not my theory (although that's what I believe), its what I was taught at Uni and included in internal Equality training.
I've just randomly looked at ten (ish) online definitions of the word racism. They all roughly define it as
rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
The warping of the words literal meaning is, IMHO, an example of political correctness gone wrong.
I would say what was written on the wall is being prejudiced towards the English (sp?)
Then it would be saying "do nice things to English people, they rock!" Or perhaps you meant prejudiced against? To be prejudiced against me (or anyone else) upon grounds of race is racism, surely?
I don't feel it would matter if the majority in a community are black or white... the city as whole is probably predominately white.
So if I were in Jamaica, and a black person was to shout "F*** off, you white whatever" at me, that would still not be racist? 91% of the Jamaican population is black.
Racism has so many elements to it though and this is only touching on some it...
Agreed.

9 Jul 2008

Quote by DeeCee

Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
Saying my views had a " flavour of bigotry ", means my views are bigoted. You can paint the picture whatever way you like, that is what you meant.
My views will always be that the vast majority of racist comments come from white liberals. Once again I say ask any black person if they find such things racist, I am sure most will say no. On that note how can they be racist if the very person you aim that kind of comment too, does not think they are racist? :shock:
I still cannot see for the life of me how you can label a 3 year old racist fgs. They need to concentrate a bit more on teaching the 3 r's in schools so they leave being able to read and write properly, not to be taught sex and drugs and racist points at 3 or 4 years of age. The worlds gone stark raving bonkers....plus the weathers rubbish. lol

well i cant be clearer than i already am.. my signature clearly states i say what i mean. If you want to feel offended then that's your baggage.
you might want to read my posts again tooo. At what point did i ever say or agree that a 3 year old could be racist? doh, Kent... you are way tooooooo angry.
where have i ever discussed or said anything age specific.
is there any need to rant????
Firstly I am NOT particularily bothered, and for what its worth, I carry no baggage.
Second the thread itself was about a 3 year old, so I was using that age as that is what I thought we was all refering too. :shock: " This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food ".
As you can see if you read the original Telegraph artical, that is what it says so...that is why I have used that age a number of times and not because you or anybody else did. :shock:
As for being angry, I am not angry at all, just bloody confused by peoples silly outlook on things. A 3 year old that can be called racist is in my view just down right irritating. Lets take the word black out of the English dictionary. I have a black bike, better change that one. :lol: How far do you want to take this silly nonsense?
If you read MY signature it should sum things up nicely, and for whats its worth, I did agree with some of the things you said, Now I really don't see that as being angry? :shock:

9 Jul 2008

Quote by winchwench
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...

I disagree completely there Anais. Numbers don't come into it. And if they did, what would be the situation in the areas where white people are now in the minority? Racism is not about minorities, majorities or colour. In fact, I used to walk through a subway on my way home from work with the following daubed on it "Keep Wales tidy, kill the English." According to your theory that couldn't be racist.
Its not my theory (although that's what I believe), its what I was taught at Uni and included in internal Equality training.
I've just randomly looked at ten (ish) online definitions of the word racism. They all roughly define it as
rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
The warping of the words literal meaning is, IMHO, an example of political correctness gone wrong.
I would say what was written on the wall is being prejudiced towards the English (sp?)
Then it would be saying "do nice things to English people, they rock!" Or perhaps you meant prejudiced against? To be prejudiced against me (or anyone else) upon grounds of race is racism, surely?
I don't feel it would matter if the majority in a community are black or white... the city as whole is probably predominately white.
So if I were in Jamaica, and a black person was to shout "F*** off, you white whatever" at me, that would still not be racist? 91% of the Jamaican population is black.
Racism has so many elements to it though and this is only touching on some it...
Agreed.
An that does happen for some mixed parentage women in Jamaica!
In Barbados, they call white people *red legs* and they are the poorest of the population...
I'm no expert but I believe I have a reasonable awareness and understanding of racism. I live by what I was taught for my job and learnt from family experiences its stood in me good stead so far...
The official (Gov) definition of racism has changed a few years ago I believe... its something along the lines of *racism is something that the victim feels is racist* Cant remember it all word for word dunno

Been a great thread this!! Really interesting and Ive learnt a few things too.. smile

9 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
quote="anais"]The official (Gov) definition of racism has changed a few years ago I believe... its something along the lines of *racism is something that the victim feels is racist* Cant remember it all word for word

Im sure you are right, I wont go into details as it is long and complicated but after an incident with a russian lady a orginsation called SARI got involved and told me if a person persieves (sp) it as racist then it is racist!.

9 Jul 2008

A couple of weeks ago I got a joke text from someone with the word in it.. and I showed it to my other half. We were both offended by it, and I texted back and asked for no more jokes, though jokes with "black" in were ok.. its just that word. He replied back in a not so nice manner when I replied to his question why. I told him my other half was black....
Haven't heard a dicky bird since. It's a shame, as I used to get some funny jokes.. and ones my other half liked too...
I am from Yorkshire and live in Oxford now, and am discriminated because of my accent..I don't sound posh..and been told I'm common.. is that bigotry?
You don't have to be black, white, yellow, brown, sky blue pink with yellow dots on... WE ARE ALL THE SAME UNDERNEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please calm down everyone....

9 Jul 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
Saying my views had a " flavour of bigotry ", means my views are bigoted. You can paint the picture whatever way you like, that is what you meant.
My views will always be that the vast majority of racist comments come from white liberals. Once again I say ask any black person if they find such things racist, I am sure most will say no. On that note how can they be racist if the very person you aim that kind of comment too, does not think they are racist? :shock:
I still cannot see for the life of me how you can label a 3 year old racist fgs. They need to concentrate a bit more on teaching the 3 r's in schools so they leave being able to read and write properly, not to be taught sex and drugs and racist points at 3 or 4 years of age. The worlds gone stark raving bonkers....plus the weathers rubbish. lol

well i cant be clearer than i already am.. my signature clearly states i say what i mean. If you want to feel offended then that's your baggage.
you might want to read my posts again tooo. At what point did i ever say or agree that a 3 year old could be racist? doh, Kent... you are way tooooooo angry.
where have i ever discussed or said anything age specific.
is there any need to rant????
Firstly I am NOT particularily bothered, and for what its worth, I carry no baggage.
Second the thread itself was about a 3 year old, so I was using that age as that is what I thought we was all refering too. :shock: " This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food ".
As you can see if you read the original Telegraph artical, that is what it says so...that is why I have used that age a number of times and not because you or anybody else did. :shock:
As for being angry, I am not angry at all, just bloody confused by peoples silly outlook on things. A 3 year old that can be called racist is in my view just down right irritating. Lets take the word black out of the English dictionary. I have a black bike, better change that one. :lol: How far do you want to take this silly nonsense?
If you read MY signature it should sum things up nicely, and for whats its worth, I did agree with some of the things you said, Now I really don't see that as being angry? :shock:
ok... youre confused, intollerant to my opinions and difficult to understand...
thanks for spelling it out..i see it now.... wink

9 Jul 2008

Quote by anais
When I've worked with families and young people, one of the things we did (and many others do it) when we held events was to use food to introduce new tastes (I worked in a community where you couldn't buy brown bread, peppers, spice mix etc etc for example). I believe it works to an extent.
They can still walk away and be racist bigots for the rest of the day/week//year etc BUT it is a start in changing strong held family views especially around what some I've worked with call *foreign food*. It may also help in introducing new foods to family life. It is the beginning of change....as with everything, it wont and doesn't happen overnight!!
Introducing new foods to children is a good way of doing it. They are the ones who will educate their parents as they grow older. I'm not saying its too late for adults but it is harder work... and children are more open to learning and trying new things.
12 million isn't that much money to be honest for an organisation that works nationwide to receive and Im sure all that money isn't going on the guidelines.. I do think that article has taken it all out of context.
As for racism I believe that goes one way only, towards black people (or towards whomever calls/defines themselves as black). You cant be racist towards a white person because they are in the majority not the minority. Black people can be prejudice towards white people only I thought.
Whips, here in Brizzle there is conflict (in some parts) between the Asian and Afro Caribbean, Afro Caribbean and Somalian communities. I'm not sure why its happening but its got quite scary in some places now...

I disagree completely there Anais. Numbers don't come into it. And if they did, what would be the situation in the areas where white people are now in the minority? Racism is not about minorities, majorities or colour. In fact, I used to walk through a subway on my way home from work with the following daubed on it "Keep Wales tidy, kill the English." According to your theory that couldn't be racist.
Its not my theory (although that's what I believe), its what I was taught at Uni and included in internal Equality training.
I've just randomly looked at ten (ish) online definitions of the word racism. They all roughly define it as
rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
The warping of the words literal meaning is, IMHO, an example of political correctness gone wrong.
I would say what was written on the wall is being prejudiced towards the English (sp?)
Then it would be saying "do nice things to English people, they rock!" Or perhaps you meant prejudiced against? To be prejudiced against me (or anyone else) upon grounds of race is racism, surely?
I don't feel it would matter if the majority in a community are black or white... the city as whole is probably predominately white.
So if I were in Jamaica, and a black person was to shout "F*** off, you white whatever" at me, that would still not be racist? 91% of the Jamaican population is black.
Racism has so many elements to it though and this is only touching on some it...
Agreed.
An that does happen for some mixed parentage women in Jamaica!
In Barbados, they call white people *red legs* and they are the poorest of the population...
I'm no expert but I believe I have a reasonable awareness and understanding of racism. I live by what I was taught for my job and learnt from family experiences its stood in me good stead so far...
The official (Gov) definition of racism has changed a few years ago I believe... its something along the lines of *racism is something that the victim feels is racist* Cant remember it all word for word dunno

Been a great thread this!! Really interesting and Ive learnt a few things too.. smile

Anais, we may have to agree to differ on this one as IMO your points back up my standpoint confused

I blame Earthy and the Tequila biggrin

10 Jul 2008

Quote by DeeCee

Sorry but I take a great offence to that comment!!
I am not going to go into my views here suffice to say I am NOT a bigot or a racist! But unless people agree with your views, then you chuck either the racist or bigot card at people.
The artical is rubbish in my opinion, and I could never imagine a child of three stating I am not eating that because a black person eats it. What planet are these people on? Cos it certainly aint on planet Earth.
As I have already stated, black people think this kind of artical is rubbish and all it does is inflame things even further. Its funny that the very people who spout this rubbish always seem to be white liberals with nothing better to do with their time. Why don't they spend their money more wisely and ASK black people if they find this kind of thing racist. I bet virtually all would just laugh at it, as what we should all do because it is writing an artical just for the sake of stirring things up, when there is not an issue to stir.
Deecee I am not having a go at you at all, and apart from your bigot comment you make good points indeed.

I dont see it as having a go... i see it as you disagreeing with me. that it is your choice to say what you feel.
I note though that you take " great offence" to the suggestion that something has a "flavour" of bigotry ( note i didnt say Racism) I apologise, but i clearly only suggested your comments, by defenition, might fall into a category.
call me liberal,challenge my motives, patronise me all you want and stereotype me if you like... (You dont see me getting offended) but be aware that your standpoint can also fit into a few stereotypes it'self.
I just want to make clear that i didnt call you a racist or a bigot, i suggested that your views had a flavour of bigotry. You arent the only poster to have such views and i dont condemn you or them for those views.
by defenition,A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Clearly by using the word "flavour" i put the term into context.
Saying my views had a " flavour of bigotry ", means my views are bigoted. You can paint the picture whatever way you like, that is what you meant.
My views will always be that the vast majority of racist comments come from white liberals. Once again I say ask any black person if they find such things racist, I am sure most will say no. On that note how can they be racist if the very person you aim that kind of comment too, does not think they are racist? :shock:
I still cannot see for the life of me how you can label a 3 year old racist fgs. They need to concentrate a bit more on teaching the 3 r's in schools so they leave being able to read and write properly, not to be taught sex and drugs and racist points at 3 or 4 years of age. The worlds gone stark raving bonkers....plus the weathers rubbish. lol

well i cant be clearer than i already am.. my signature clearly states i say what i mean. If you want to feel offended then that's your baggage.
you might want to read my posts again tooo. At what point did i ever say or agree that a 3 year old could be racist? doh, Kent... you are way tooooooo angry.
where have i ever discussed or said anything age specific.
is there any need to rant????
Firstly I am NOT particularily bothered, and for what its worth, I carry no baggage.
Second the thread itself was about a 3 year old, so I was using that age as that is what I thought we was all refering too. :shock: " This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food ".
As you can see if you read the original Telegraph artical, that is what it says so...that is why I have used that age a number of times and not because you or anybody else did. :shock:
As for being angry, I am not angry at all, just bloody confused by peoples silly outlook on things. A 3 year old that can be called racist is in my view just down right irritating. Lets take the word black out of the English dictionary. I have a black bike, better change that one. :lol: How far do you want to take this silly nonsense?
If you read MY signature it should sum things up nicely, and for whats its worth, I did agree with some of the things you said, Now I really don't see that as being angry? :shock:
ok... youre confused, intollerant to my opinions and difficult to understand... thanks for spelling it out..i see it now.... wink

Something like that, but am sure neither one of us will lose a seconds sleep over it. cool