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As someone who has never been a teacher, and never would be a teacher however much they were paid, I also support the NUT members who are striking.
Sexlightened
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Quote by Unc
As someone who has never been a teacher, and never would be a teacher however much they were paid, I also support the NUT members who are striking.
You are not on your own there unc. I have worked with young people in a couple of my previous lives and it is a thankless task.
If negotitions between the teachers and their paymasters have run dry without finding some middle ground and the only recourse left available is to withdraw their services then they have my support too.
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Not sure about the industrial action Country wide but the Teachers strike has hit hard in Nottinghamshire...
Unnecessary.
Selfish.
Pointless.
Money-grabbing Whingers.
Intentionally disruptive.
Over-paid anyway...
Are just Some of the comments I have overheard today in my son's school's playground. :shock:
As an ex-teacher myself, I would just like to say to all swinging teachers out there (there aren't that many, just one or two :shock:
)...I'm behind you 100% ( :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: )and would certainly be one of those striking if I was still in the profession.
Good on you.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone else want to show some solidarity towards the teacher's action?
I'm also 100% behind the proposed oil refinery strike as well... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sorry but no support from me this end!
Of course teachers do not have an easy job, but then again nor do I. I do not get 13 weeks holiday a year as that is how many weeks the schools are shut, and before I get someone saying " but teachers go into school ", I know of a caretaker who says different. :shock:
I believe that teachers and others like firemen, doctors and emergency services should not be allowed to strike! Most of the schools around here have been shut today and strangely enough, Offsted says they are " failing schools ". My Grandaughter has just started a new infants school and I was shocked to see the school report saying that the teachers all teach different things from each other.I was under the impression they all taught the same things the same teachers were slated for that in the report!
I am not saying anything about other schools only the school that I saw the report of. I would not want to be a teacher in a state school for love nor money but.. if you can't stand the heat springs to but the teachers get no support from me at weeks and Baker days galore,sorry I meant " teacher training days " not a bad job really all things considered. :lol:
Financially I do not think they are paid that bad and I think that as teachers are people of responsibiliy, it stinks to hold the kids to ransom in this way. I wonder when they will announce their next strike? Right on top of exams too. Could not have chosen a better time. I wish I could strike for better conditions but I can't and nor can millions of others. If we dont like our jobs we get out!
Sex God
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They get my support a class romm full of mini male tan's and the rest of em all day is tough no matter what you say
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They get my support a class romm full of mini male tan's and the rest of em all day is tough no matter what you say
True but I dont like working in a smelly print unit all day, still cant strike though.
Sex God
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They get my support a class romm full of mini male tan's and the rest of em all day is tough no matter what you say
True but I dont like working in a smelly print unit all day, still cant strike though.
If you dont like your job look for another that you do like? Just because teachers are striking does not mean they do not like the job they are campaigning for better conditions
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Sorry but no support from me this end!
Of course teachers do not have an easy job, but then again nor do I. I do not get 13 weeks holiday a year as that is how many weeks the schools are shut, and before I get someone saying " but teachers go into school ", I know of a caretaker who says different. :shock:
You know of a caretaker who says different, and that is proof positive I suppose? I know several teachers, and every one of them goes into school for part of every holiday, and/or supervises holiday trips with children during the holidays, and/or takes revision classes during the holidays, and/or take courses to update and improve their abilities as teachers during the holidays.
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I believe that teachers and others like firemen, doctors and emergency services should not be allowed to strike!
It's very easy to be in favour of taking others rights from them. For that to be just, there would have to be a totally independent pay body to ensure that those who know that striking is likely to affect 'innocents', aren't treated as badly as this, and previous governments, have treated teachers, nurses, policemen and firemen.
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13 weeks and Baker days galore,sorry I meant " teacher training days " not a bad job really all things considered.
It wouldn't be a bad job if your description was even vaguely accurate. Unfortunately it isn't.
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Sorry but no support from me this end!
Of course teachers do not have an easy job, but then again nor do I. I do not get 13 weeks holiday a year as that is how many weeks the schools are shut, and before I get someone saying " but teachers go into school ", I know of a caretaker who says different. :shock:
You know of a caretaker who says different, and that is proof positive I suppose? I know several teachers, and every one of them goes into school for part of every holiday, and/or supervises holiday trips with children during the holidays, and/or takes revision classes during the holidays, and/or take courses to update and improve their abilities as teachers during the holidays.
Quote by kentswingers777
I believe that teachers and others like firemen, doctors and emergency services should not be allowed to strike!
It's very easy to be in favour of taking others rights from them. For that to be just, there would have to be a totally independent pay body to ensure that those who know that striking is likely to affect 'innocents', aren't treated as badly as this, and previous governments, have treated teachers, nurses, policemen and firemen.
Quote by kentswingers777
13 weeks and Baker days galore,sorry I meant " teacher training days " not a bad job really all things considered.
It wouldn't be a bad job if your description was even vaguely accurate. Unfortunately it isn't.
And of course yours is I suppose? It is MY opinion and that is what counts to me. I also have kids at secondary school at the moment, so I see first hand how things are done. There's is another " failing " school!! Sorry but you have your opinions and I have mine....period.
Sex God
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I'm going to go on strike to get a payrise, to get sick pay, holiday pay, a fair return for my NI conributions...........
seems little point though, I'd only be hurting myself I'm self-employed.
I heard one woman being interviewed on the radio this morning who was 'struggling to survive on £20k', and thought to myself, I'd like that kind of struggle. Don't get me wrong, I think teachers do a great job, I know I couldn't do it, but I do think sometimes people take for granted what they already have. Having been an employer, on a very small scale, I can see it from both sides. At the end of the day that money has to come from somewhere, for the average school with, say 15 teachers, that's, at a bare minimum, an additional £6,000 a year to be found on top of the pay increase they've already been given.
H.x
seems little point though, I'd only be hurting myself I'm self-employed.
I heard one woman being interviewed on the radio this morning who was 'struggling to survive on £20k', and thought to myself, I'd like that kind of struggle. Don't get me wrong, I think teachers do a great job, I know I couldn't do it, but I do think sometimes people take for granted what they already have. Having been an employer, on a very small scale, I can see it from both sides. At the end of the day that money has to come from somewhere, for the average school with, say 15 teachers, that's, at a bare minimum, an additional £6,000 a year to be found on top of the pay increase they've already been given.
H.x
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And of course yours is I suppose? It is MY opinion and that is what counts to me. I also have kids at secondary school at the moment, so I see first hand how things are done. There's is another " failing " school!! Sorry but you have your opinions and I have mine....period.
Perhaps you should try to understand the difference between an opinion and a fact. You seem to think they are the same thing.
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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I have a number of friend who happen to be teachers. They would love to have 13? weeks holiday.
Let me just take one of them. Half term holiday just gone. We booked to go for dinner twice. TWICE he had to cancel as he was called into the school for an emergency. At 7pm... yes, that is 1900 hours.
During the day he was reading through his staff's 'teaching plans' whatever that was, and in some new teacher's cases that involved him re-writing them. He was marking work he was writing his own teaching plans. He was organising and arranging the summer school that he runs annually for vulnerable children in the area. He was talking to his staff to procure 'volunteers' for said summer school. He was attempting to locate new members of staff as he is short staffed and teachers traditionally don't move mid year. He was dealing with parents who know where he lives and decide that they will visit him at home. He was dealing with child protection case conferences and the report writing after them. I could go on but it was annoying enough having the dinner taken up with it. I have no idea what all of that means as I aint no teacher. I can tell you that he gets 2 weeks holiday a year. When he has teacher training days he is training his staff or arranging for them to be trained and ensuring that he is supervising them correctly for their performance. I have known him 13 year and watched his career progress and what has happened is that he actually has less time not more to have a life.
I don't agree that there should be striking but only because such an important profession shouldn't be driven to it.
Sometimes people talk like a couple of teachers in the staff room decided they wanted a day off so called a strike
Let me just take one of them. Half term holiday just gone. We booked to go for dinner twice. TWICE he had to cancel as he was called into the school for an emergency. At 7pm... yes, that is 1900 hours.
During the day he was reading through his staff's 'teaching plans' whatever that was, and in some new teacher's cases that involved him re-writing them. He was marking work he was writing his own teaching plans. He was organising and arranging the summer school that he runs annually for vulnerable children in the area. He was talking to his staff to procure 'volunteers' for said summer school. He was attempting to locate new members of staff as he is short staffed and teachers traditionally don't move mid year. He was dealing with parents who know where he lives and decide that they will visit him at home. He was dealing with child protection case conferences and the report writing after them. I could go on but it was annoying enough having the dinner taken up with it. I have no idea what all of that means as I aint no teacher. I can tell you that he gets 2 weeks holiday a year. When he has teacher training days he is training his staff or arranging for them to be trained and ensuring that he is supervising them correctly for their performance. I have known him 13 year and watched his career progress and what has happened is that he actually has less time not more to have a life.
I don't agree that there should be striking but only because such an important profession shouldn't be driven to it.
Sometimes people talk like a couple of teachers in the staff room decided they wanted a day off so called a strike
Sex God
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It was only one of the unions that decided to strike, based on a ballot where only about 34% of the voters felt stronly enough to vote, and even then only a slight majority voted to strike. The other major teaching unions voted to accept the pay offer they'd been given.
H.x
H.x
Sex God
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The mythical 13 weeks.
Children go to school for 195 days. This means that children are off school for 13 weeks. However, teachers have 5 training days when the children are off, leaving 12 weeks. 5 bank holidays fall within school holiday periods - Christmas day, Boxing Day, Good Friday, Whit Monday and August bank holiday - the general population will have those off work as additional to their holiday entitlement.
Most equivalent professionals will have at least 25 days holiday per annum, plus those 5 bank holidays that teachers don't benefit from. The difference is now down to 6 weeks. Most teachers that I am acquainted with would work at least 25 days (or 5 working weeks) in a year doing school work outside of their contracted time - that's less than every Sunday marking and preparing during term time.
Teachers maybe should get out of the kitchen if it's too hot, but then again those who think teaching's an easy life and gives better conditions than they have could always train to be a teacher and get some of the gravy themselves.
Children go to school for 195 days. This means that children are off school for 13 weeks. However, teachers have 5 training days when the children are off, leaving 12 weeks. 5 bank holidays fall within school holiday periods - Christmas day, Boxing Day, Good Friday, Whit Monday and August bank holiday - the general population will have those off work as additional to their holiday entitlement.
Most equivalent professionals will have at least 25 days holiday per annum, plus those 5 bank holidays that teachers don't benefit from. The difference is now down to 6 weeks. Most teachers that I am acquainted with would work at least 25 days (or 5 working weeks) in a year doing school work outside of their contracted time - that's less than every Sunday marking and preparing during term time.
Teachers maybe should get out of the kitchen if it's too hot, but then again those who think teaching's an easy life and gives better conditions than they have could always train to be a teacher and get some of the gravy themselves.
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Not sure about the industrial action Country wide but the Teachers strike has hit hard in Nottinghamshire...
Unnecessary.
Selfish.
Pointless.
Money-grabbing Whingers.
Intentionally disruptive.
Over-paid anyway...
Are just Some of the comments I have overheard today in my son's school's playground. :shock:
As an ex-teacher myself, I would just like to say to all swinging teachers out there (there aren't that many, just one or two :shock:
Good on you.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone else want to show some solidarity towards the teacher's action?
I'm also 100% behind the proposed oil refinery strike as well... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sorry but no support from me this end!
Of course teachers do not have an easy job, but then again nor do I. I do not get 13 weeks holiday a year as that is how many weeks the schools are shut, and before I get someone saying " but teachers go into school ", I know of a caretaker who says different. :shock:
I believe that teachers and others like firemen, doctors and emergency services should not be allowed to strike! Most of the schools around here have been shut today and strangely enough, Offsted says they are " failing schools ". My Grandaughter has just started a new infants school and I was shocked to see the school report saying that the teachers all teach different things from each other.I was under the impression they all taught the same things the same teachers were slated for that in the report!
I am not saying anything about other schools only the school that I saw the report of. I would not want to be a teacher in a state school for love nor money but.. if you can't stand the heat springs to but the teachers get no support from me at weeks and Baker days galore,sorry I meant " teacher training days " not a bad job really all things considered. :lol:
Financially I do not think they are paid that bad and I think that as teachers are people of responsibiliy, it stinks to hold the kids to ransom in this way. I wonder when they will announce their next strike? Right on top of exams too. Could not have chosen a better time. I wish I could strike for better conditions but I can't and nor can millions of others. If we dont like our jobs we get out!
Sorry to quote the whole thing - couldn't work out the editing. Mr F is one of the above in black bold, and believe me striking is only even considered when circumstances are at their bleakest. Teachers have a hell of a hard job, and when nobody listens strike action is the only option that's feasible. Let's face it - we're all aware of their plight now, aren't we?
This post was brought to you courtesy of one of the most important people in my life - the teacher who taught me to read and write.
Sex God
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no suport from me .... sorry
i dont agree with striking at all
i do work for the education dept tho but wouldnt get a pay rise thu this action anyway
i dont agree with striking at all
i do work for the education dept tho but wouldnt get a pay rise thu this action anyway
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The mythical 13 weeks.
Children go to school for 195 days. This means that children are off school for 13 weeks. However, teachers have 5 training days when the children are off, leaving 12 weeks. 5 bank holidays fall within school holiday periods - Christmas day, Boxing Day, Good Friday, Whit Monday and August bank holiday - the general population will have those off work as additional to their holiday entitlement.
Most equivalent professionals will have at least 25 days holiday per annum, plus those 5 bank holidays that teachers don't benefit from. The difference is now down to 6 weeks. Most teachers that I am acquainted with would work at least 25 days (or 5 working weeks) in a year doing school work outside of their contracted time - that's less than every Sunday marking and preparing during term time.
Teachers maybe should get out of the kitchen if it's too hot, but then again those who think teaching's an easy life and gives better conditions than they have could always train to be a teacher and get some of the gravy themselves.
I did. Gravy train it is not.
Now out of the kitchen but ready to fight tooth and nail against this government especially in support of wage rises...Not just for teachers but nurses, firemen, soldiers, ambulance drivers...
Did I miss anyone out?
:shock: The police! :shock:
No!!!
Let them make their wages up out of the speed tickets and motoring "offence" fines they dish out like confetti...
Printers?
:lol: A bit of an unfair assumption of the police I feel. They have targets and sorry to say the motorist is the easy target, its called meeting the Governments figures, which is hardly the fault of mr bobby on the beat.
If I have any sympathy at all it lies with the nurses. Underpaid? oh yes they are. Worth more money? Yes double what they get for sure. I think pay and working conditions for nurses are far worse than anything a teacher faces. A nurses job is def a vocation and the Governments over many years have taken the right piss out of the nurses. I would rather be a teacher than a nurse any day of the year. :lol:
Sex God
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Are they fighting for a pay-rise for the teaching assistants too? They are payed far worse than teachers and in my sister's case spend half the time babysitting the pre-teen asbos and the rest of the time 'helping' in class which often means bailing the teacher out when they get something wrong.
Don't get me wrong there are thousands of fantastic teachers out there but there are also far too many lazy, uneducated or inexperienced (in life) teachers. Teaching assistants are often older, are regularly left in charge of classes and get the worst kids and jobs going - and they are paid peanuts.
Don't get me wrong there are thousands of fantastic teachers out there but there are also far too many lazy, uneducated or inexperienced (in life) teachers. Teaching assistants are often older, are regularly left in charge of classes and get the worst kids and jobs going - and they are paid peanuts.
Sex God
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Quote by de_sade
The mythical 13 weeks.
Children go to school for 195 days. This means that children are off school for 13 weeks. However, teachers have 5 training days when the children are off, leaving 12 weeks. 5 bank holidays fall within school holiday periods - Christmas day, Boxing Day, Good Friday, Whit Monday and August bank holiday - the general population will have those off work as additional to their holiday entitlement.
Most equivalent professionals will have at least 25 days holiday per annum, plus those 5 bank holidays that teachers don't benefit from. The difference is now down to 6 weeks. Most teachers that I am acquainted with would work at least 25 days (or 5 working weeks) in a year doing school work outside of their contracted time - that's less than every Sunday marking and preparing during term time.
Teachers maybe should get out of the kitchen if it's too hot, but then again those who think teaching's an easy life and gives better conditions than they have could always train to be a teacher and get some of the gravy themselves.
I did. Gravy train it is not.
Now out of the kitchen but ready to fight tooth and nail against this government especially in support of wage rises...Not just for teachers but nurses, firemen, soldiers, ambulance drivers...
Did I miss anyone out?
:shock: The police! :shock:
No!!!
Let them make their wages up out of the speed tickets and motoring "offence" fines they dish out like confetti...
:doh:
I am forced to agree with you on this one.... :shock:
The strike action would cause havoc for us if it were not for the fact that I work odd hours and am at home during the day but if it has to be done then it has to be done....
Sex God
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Not sure about the industrial action Country wide but the Teachers strike has hit hard in Nottinghamshire...
Unnecessary.
Selfish.
Pointless.
Money-grabbing Whingers.
Intentionally disruptive.
Over-paid anyway...
Are just Some of the comments I have overheard today in my son's school's playground. :shock:
As an ex-teacher myself, I would just like to say to all swinging teachers out there (there aren't that many, just one or two :shock:
Good on you.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone else want to show some solidarity towards the teacher's action?
I'm also 100% behind the proposed oil refinery strike as well... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sorry but no support from me this end!
Well theres a suprise.
How much do you actually know about the profession to qualify you to make comments like you have made?
We live in a democratic society and everyone should have the right to protest.
If you dont like your holiday package and conditions at work then make a stand and if you cant do that then leave!
You are entitled to your opinions and I respect everyones right to an opinion. It is my opinion that your opinion is complete bollox
Sex God
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It is my opinion that your opinion is complete bollox
Let's stick to the subject and not make this personal!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Sex God
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It is my opinion that your opinion is complete bollox
Let's stick to the subject and not make this personal!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
are you going to give me a
Sex God
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Quote by kentswingers777
A nurses job is def a vocation
In my opinion, so is a teacher's.
Sure, there are people in teaching who perhaps have lost that - just like there are plenty of nurses who are no longer full of their original vocational zeal. But I do think that the majority of people who go into both professions do so because they want to teach or nurse. Hell, if it was money they were after... they'd go do something else, right?!
And yes, nurses probably should be paid more. Ditto for teaching assistants as mentioned earlier in the thread. Everyone is suffering from the cost of living increases and the rate of inflation.
There's no easy answer. The money for pay increases has to come from somewhere. Do some public services deserve more of a rise than others? I don't know. Should teachers strike? Well, I think I would prefer we lived in a society in which people had the right to protest and express their opinions rather than in one where all forms of protest were outlawed.
But to imply that nurses have more of a vocation than teachers is, in my opinion, unfair.Nola x
p.s. have a family full of teachers and nurses - I think they'd all agree with me over the vocation issue too
Warming the Bed
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I am not a teacher but i have a PGCE (teacher training) and it nearly killed me. LIterally, i was rushed into hospital and kept in intensive care on a central line for a week because my body started to metabalise itself to get the energy to survive.
When on teaching practice, I got 4 hours sleep a night, never got all the work done that i felt i should do, and was constantly aware that young lives were being directly impacted upon by my words and actions.
Yes, kids are in school for a short time but the rest of the time a teacher is marking, assessing, planning lessons, setting appropraite work, creating resources, creating a stimulating and interactive learning environment, the list goes on and on.
Just because a teacher is not in school does not mean that he or she is not working. Much work is done at home, as the teacher tries to achieve some sort of work/life balance.
Many teachers retire early, before 60, simply from burn out. Maintaining this level of work along with the intensity and passion to motivate children to learn is incredibly demanding. You give all day.
Teaching assistant should not be used as babysitter or given the difficult children. This is incredibly bad classroom management, and does not use the TA efficiently as a rescource to earn learning. If anything, the "difficult" children should be with the teacher, who has the most training to faciliatate their learning.
People who doubt that good teaching is an intensly demanding job cannot have tried it. People have commented on particular schools or teachers that are poor and noted as failing - well these schools clearly are not the norm and so should not be used to berate staff in successful schools.
Teachers have the legal right to strike. It has been 20 years since the last teacher strike, so it is clearly not an option that they use willy-nilly. Teachers are not demanding a huge pay rise, simply that their pay keeps inline with inflation.
Yes it can be argued that teachers earn a lot. However, to become a teacher i studied at university for 5 years. During this time i did not earn a wage but i did take on a lot of debt to fund my studies. Why should a teacher's wage not reflect this level of commitment and investment?
Rant over. Thanks for reading
Trix xx
When on teaching practice, I got 4 hours sleep a night, never got all the work done that i felt i should do, and was constantly aware that young lives were being directly impacted upon by my words and actions.
Yes, kids are in school for a short time but the rest of the time a teacher is marking, assessing, planning lessons, setting appropraite work, creating resources, creating a stimulating and interactive learning environment, the list goes on and on.
Just because a teacher is not in school does not mean that he or she is not working. Much work is done at home, as the teacher tries to achieve some sort of work/life balance.
Many teachers retire early, before 60, simply from burn out. Maintaining this level of work along with the intensity and passion to motivate children to learn is incredibly demanding. You give all day.
Teaching assistant should not be used as babysitter or given the difficult children. This is incredibly bad classroom management, and does not use the TA efficiently as a rescource to earn learning. If anything, the "difficult" children should be with the teacher, who has the most training to faciliatate their learning.
People who doubt that good teaching is an intensly demanding job cannot have tried it. People have commented on particular schools or teachers that are poor and noted as failing - well these schools clearly are not the norm and so should not be used to berate staff in successful schools.
Teachers have the legal right to strike. It has been 20 years since the last teacher strike, so it is clearly not an option that they use willy-nilly. Teachers are not demanding a huge pay rise, simply that their pay keeps inline with inflation.
Yes it can be argued that teachers earn a lot. However, to become a teacher i studied at university for 5 years. During this time i did not earn a wage but i did take on a lot of debt to fund my studies. Why should a teacher's wage not reflect this level of commitment and investment?
Rant over. Thanks for reading
Trix xx
Sex God
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Well, I was going to post but I think Trixie and Nola, amongst others, summed it up nicely.
FB - on PPA time and about to start work.
FB - on PPA time and about to start work.
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Quote by helnheaven
Not sure about the industrial action Country wide but the Teachers strike has hit hard in Nottinghamshire...
Unnecessary.
Selfish.
Pointless.
Money-grabbing Whingers.
Intentionally disruptive.
Over-paid anyway...
Are just Some of the comments I have overheard today in my son's school's playground. :shock:
As an ex-teacher myself, I would just like to say to all swinging teachers out there (there aren't that many, just one or two :shock:
Good on you.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone else want to show some solidarity towards the teacher's action?
I'm also 100% behind the proposed oil refinery strike as well... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sorry but no support from me this end!
Well theres a suprise.
How much do you actually know about the profession to qualify you to make comments like you have made?
We live in a democratic society and everyone should have the right to protest.
If you dont like your holiday package and conditions at work then make a stand and if you cant do that then leave!
You are entitled to your opinions and I respect everyones right to an opinion. It is my opinion that your opinion is complete bolloxquote]
Luckily that is ONLY your opinion, but bilko has said what needed to be said. :shock:
Lesson to learn : Teachers sometimes feel they get precious little thanks for the crucial job they do.
I admire the fine work of the vast majority of our teachers.
They do the best for our kids against a background of relentless Government interference. Careless tinkering with exams and the curriculum. Endless reports, targets and red tape.
The wages do not reflect the importance of the job, even though teachers have done pretty well in recent years. But striking will achieve nothing. Anyone who think Brown is vulnerable after the 10p tax climbdown is wrong! :shock: In these tough times the Government simply cannot afford to budge on its pay award. Nor can it up its offer to other public sector staff who walked out yesterday.
Yesterdays classroom protests which disrupted almost three million pupils in around 9,500 schools, are no way to improve teachers pay. The path to higher salaries is through the sort of radical public service reform that the hardline NUT opposes. Cutting wasteful Whitehall and town hall bureaucracy and giving schools control of their own budgets would boost wages Similar reforms are the only way forward for the rest of the public sector.
Leftie union hotheads who pressured many reluctant teachers into striking yesterday are doing them no favours. Teachers, and all other workers who walked out yesterday, must recognise the lesson of history: The days when striking got you a payrise are long gone. And they are NOT coming back.
Sex God
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Luckily that is ONLY your opinion, but bilko has said what needed to be said. :shock:
Correct and Im as entitled to mine as you are to yours. The fact that I stated my opinion in, what for me, were strong terms and got my dannies slapped for it, does not mean I will waiver on them
The rest of the comments in this thread speak for themselves.
How else are exploited workers supposed to get their 'fat cat' bosses to give them credit and wages in line with the jobs they do???? If stiking isnt the answer what is????
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Luckily that is ONLY your opinion, but bilko has said what needed to be said. :shock:
Correct and Im as entitled to mine as you are to yours. The fact that I stated my opinion in, what for me, were strong terms and got my dannies slapped for it, does not mean I will waiver on them
The rest of the comments in this thread speak for themselves.
How else are exploited workers supposed to get their 'fat cat' bosses to give them credit and wages in line with the jobs they do???? If stiking isnt the answer what is????
Thats fair enough!
As for your comment on " wages in line with the jobs they do ". Did you not read my thread above? Cut out the crap from Whitehall and local Government cos that is where REAL money is wasted on a massive scale.
The car industry and others learnt the hard way about strikes. In this case as I have stated, holding kids to ransom when GCSE exams are nearly on us is in poor taste. Now they talking about more even closer to exams. I understand they want better pay and conditions, dont we all but....letting a union loose on this will not solve things. Have the unions learnt nothing over the last 30 years? :shock: They dont hold the power they used too. With everything going up in price most people are feeling the pinch, me included. I just do not think teachers striking will win the popularity vote with the public.
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I think every working person has the right to withdraw their labour to secure better pay and conditions. In these post Thatcherite days many forget the contribution trade unions have made to welfare education and employment.
Teachers have been offered a poor pay deal. So have the police and nurses and every other public worker simply because thats a very easy way to cut costs for government. Some are unlucky enough not to be able protest because they have no rights to withdraw their labour.
The main problem is that if any political party promised a fair pay deal for these key vocational workers we the voter wouldn't vote for em because we wouldn't stomach the associated tax increases necessary.
Bear in mind that 20% of UK workers work in the public sector according to the NSO. Assuming an average salary of £25k pa thats what 5 million x £25k that means a total wage bill of £125,000,000,000. Which in words is £125 billion. So 10% across the board will cost £12.5 billion.
£12.5 billion divided by the total working population of about 25 million and thats £500 each.
Now I reckon that would cost about maybe a penny or two on the basic rate of tax. Anybody up for voting for that?
Teachers have been offered a poor pay deal. So have the police and nurses and every other public worker simply because thats a very easy way to cut costs for government. Some are unlucky enough not to be able protest because they have no rights to withdraw their labour.
The main problem is that if any political party promised a fair pay deal for these key vocational workers we the voter wouldn't vote for em because we wouldn't stomach the associated tax increases necessary.
Bear in mind that 20% of UK workers work in the public sector according to the NSO. Assuming an average salary of £25k pa thats what 5 million x £25k that means a total wage bill of £125,000,000,000. Which in words is £125 billion. So 10% across the board will cost £12.5 billion.
£12.5 billion divided by the total working population of about 25 million and thats £500 each.
Now I reckon that would cost about maybe a penny or two on the basic rate of tax. Anybody up for voting for that?
