Sort the freakin parents?

16 Aug 2007

I've had a window broken in the front of my house twice now in the past two months. A few others in the hood have suffered this crap aswell. We all know who the culprit is and unfortunately it's an 8 year old lad. Now i have approached the Parents of this child in a pissed off but calm manner just to be told to f*ck off and leave them alone.
Ok so i would be dis-chuffed as a parent to get this sort of attention from other people but i dont think i would treat any adult coming to me with this sort of attitude.
The police have been informed of these happenings by a few people but they just send out the tired and bullshit response that, and i quote:-
'To date our investigations have failed to identify the offender. Nevertheless, we shall continue to review the matter. In the event of further developements we shall contact you again. If you learn of anything you may consider to be useful in the enquiry please contact us'.
Not of course that there are upwards of a dozen eye witnesses and the little sh*t chanting it outside peoples houses. But no the police cant identify the offender rolleyes

best off the guys sit in a squad car at the side of a road waiting for something profitable to the local authority to pass by.
Whatever. I think the parents should be made to do something i dont know what but something (maybe a public flogging in stocks on market day) I understand that at 8 that nothing can be done about the kid as yet really.

16 Aug 2007

"employ" the local hoodlums to give the little sh*t a good kicking.
sorry but having worked with kids of this ilk for several years all the charitable thoughts like 'aww the poor lamb is disturbed' have been kicked out of me mad

16 Aug 2007

A fisherman's catapult can toss a pebble a long way..
Maybe the kids parents might do something about it if the same happened to them innocent

Shaz x

16 Aug 2007

nice one Shaz, but I think you'll find that these type of people will be the first to go running to the law rolleyes

to quantify my original reply, if you want to be humane about it, lethal injection is a permanent cure, then hit the cause of the problem by sterilising the parents, two house bricks will do the job quite nicely :thumbup:

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
A fisherman's catapult can toss a pebble a long way..
Maybe the kids parents might do something about it if the same happened to them
Shaz x

Very true - and if the police can't identify one offender from lots of eyewitness accounts, they're hardly likely to be able to identify one from a distance, who nobody has seen - are they?
If they have to replace one of their own windows every time their offspring breaks one of somebody else's, maybe they'd reconsider their approach and have a little word in his ear.

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Pete_sw
nice one Shaz, but I think you'll find that these type of people will be the first to go running to the law
to quantify my original reply, if you want to be humane about it, lethal injection is a permanent cure, then hit the cause of the problem by sterilising the parents, two house bricks will do the job quite nicely :thumbup:

You'd have to ensure that said housebricks were sterile too, to prevent any possibility of infection and cause for them to make a claim against you.

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
A fisherman's catapult can toss a pebble a long way..
Maybe the kids parents might do something about it if the same happened to them
Shaz x

Very true - and if the police can't identify one offender from lots of eyewitness accounts, they're hardly likely to be able to identify one from a distance, who nobody has seen - are they?
If they have to replace one of their own windows every time their offspring breaks one of somebody else's, maybe they'd reconsider their approach and have a little word in his ear.
Spot on :thumbup:

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Pete_sw
nice one Shaz, but I think you'll find that these type of people will be the first to go running to the law

thats where the catapult comes in :twisted:
I am all for sorting an adult solution but some parents just don't want to know these days and they really piss you of, i meen an 8 year old and his parents don't want to know, just imagine what that 8yo will be like when he's in his teens mad

Shaz x

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
A fisherman's catapult can toss a pebble a long way..
Maybe the kids parents might do something about it if the same happened to them
Shaz x

Very true - and if the police can't identify one offender from lots of eyewitness accounts, they're hardly likely to be able to identify one from a distance, who nobody has seen - are they?
If they have to replace one of their own windows every time their offspring breaks one of somebody else's, maybe they'd reconsider their approach and have a little word in his ear.
Exactly :thumbup:
The parents don't want to know
The Law don't want to know
so who else is there?
Shaz x

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
A fisherman's catapult can toss a pebble a long way..
Maybe the kids parents might do something about it if the same happened to them
Shaz x

Very true - and if the police can't identify one offender from lots of eyewitness accounts, they're hardly likely to be able to identify one from a distance, who nobody has seen - are they?
If they have to replace one of their own windows every time their offspring breaks one of somebody else's, maybe they'd reconsider their approach and have a little word in his ear.
Exactly :thumbup:
The parents don't want to know
The Law don't want to know
so who else is there?
Shaz x
hit them where it hurts...their wallets...and if its a council house(more than likely get their windows replaced free)...go for their car instead...sometimes its the only way of sending a message to this kind of scum!

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
You'd have to ensure that said housebricks were sterile too, to prevent any possibility of infection and cause for them to make a claim against you.

They'd have to catch me first wink

16 Aug 2007

Being that I live on a council estate in a rough(ish) part of bristol I have quite an opinion about the little f**kers oh I mean darlings rolleyes

that roam about till silly o'clock in the morning causing meyhem and upset to everyone around them. Luckily we haven`t had to much bother from them but Mr Lyns is a big bloke and will not stand for any nonsence and I will have my say. We REFUSE to hide behind the front door to scared to say anything for fear of retribution. Once you do that you have lost and they will have won. I just wish there were more parents around here who actually gave a shit about what their offspring are up to at 2am, then when they find out their little darling has just broken into someones house/car/shed whatever they take approaite action ie break their legs/arms whatever till they learn their lesson (I am joking about that bit). But parents have to start dishing out the disapline, and the government has to strip (some of) the kids rights and give parents back the right to disapline.
The problem round here is that to many children are having children and they just don`t know how to be a parent.

16 Aug 2007

What I don't understand is how the hell can they relax when their children are roaming the streets at stupid o'clock at night. My eldest is 19 and does'nt even live with me anymore and I still worry if I know he's out, but if my 11 year old pulled that stunt she would be grounded...FOREVER!!!!!!

16 Aug 2007

Quote by firelizard
What I don't understand is how the hell can they relax when their children are roaming the streets at stupid o'clock at night. My eldest is 19 and does'nt even live with me anymore and I still worry if I know he's out, but if my 11 year old pulled that stunt she would be grounded...FOREVER!!!!!!

Because some parents actually give a fuck!
some parents just want to kick the kids out till nightime...just for the fact they don't want to fuck all with them!

16 Aug 2007

Quote by lyns
Being that I live on a council estate in a rough(ish) part of bristol I have quite an opinion about the little f**kers oh I mean darlings that roam about till silly o'clock in the morning causing meyhem and upset to everyone around them. Luckily we haven`t had to much bother from them but Mr Lyns is a big bloke and will not stand for any nonsence and I will have my say. We REFUSE to hide behind the front door to scared to say anything for fear of retribution. Once you do that you have lost and they will have won. I just wish there were more parents around here who actually gave a shit about what their offspring are up to at 2am, then when they find out their little darling has just broken into someones house/car/shed whatever they take approaite action ie break their legs/arms whatever till they learn their lesson (I am joking about that bit). But parents have to start dishing out the disapline, and the government has to strip (some of) the kids rights and give parents back the right to disapline.
The problem round here is that to many children are having children and they just don`t know how to be a parent.

Hey there I couldn't of put it better girl! Only one thing to add
Lyns for P.M

16 Aug 2007

Unforuntately for a certain type of moron, they have the baby, get the house and every benefit they can squeeze out the system - the actual raising of said child isn't in their lifeplan at all blink

Then 5 years later, once the kid reaches school age, they'll have another one so they 'can't work' rolleyes

Then of course, the bigger house once the brood gets to a size where, god forbid, they might have to share a bedroom!!!
Not generalising there, just talking about a couple of people I know who've timed their pregnancies.
The kids are then left to their own devices while the parents carry on with their lives like they're childless, giving them nothing apart from the same/worse mentality than they have mad

They then call themselves 'good caring parents' because they defend the kids to the hilt with the imortal line "noone touches/shouts at my kid" <with a couple of effs n jeffs peppered in the sentence to make them look more caring/moronic :roll: > - codswallop!!! They can't be arsed to discipline, which involves acutal interraction with their child, not to mention maybe a grounding, which would involve having the kids around them for any length of time!!!
Makes my blood boil - more so because these total morons have ruined the genuine cases, the many people who use/have used the system as a safety net, while they get themselves back up and running as soon as they can, regardless if it makes them 50p a week worse off for working!!! :x
Grrrrrrrrrrr!!! :x

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
some parents just want to kick the kids out till nightime...just for the fact they don't want to fuck all with them!

That pretty much sums it up for me.
I'm generalising here and will be shot at for it but so what.
Many parents on my estate allow their children to roam the streets while they sit in peace n quiet to drink up their cans and bottles of booze. Some even give their kids a can or to to keep them out the way.

16 Aug 2007

Quote by firelizard
My eldest is 19 and does'nt even live with me anymore and I still worry if I know he's out, but if my 11 year old pulled that stunt she would be grounded...FOREVER!!!!!!

:shock: You have a 19-year old son? Wow! :twisted:

16 Aug 2007

We had exactely the same problem.
Here's what we did;
Buy a packet of "itching powder" from a joke shop or eBay.
Whilst unobserved sprinkle it on a surface you know he, the little shit, will touch.
Took us just two attempts.
Poor kid ended up at the doctors with some kind of unexplained rash all over him. Parents were advised to keep him in till it cleared up.
We'rer waiting to repeat the action.
biggrin

:D

16 Aug 2007

Theres a lot of very valid comments, some I agree with, some I dont.. its a hard one and Im not sure *anyone* has the answer to a growing problem.
When your the victim, it does make you feel evil and want some justice in whats seen as repeated offences and noboy doing anything about it.
Taking matters into your own hands doesn't always work... it can create even more community conflict.
I am not condoning any offending and yes they should definately be punished in some way... but: I do have sympathy for *some* of these kids...... they dont get the proper care and attention from parents. Other adults get cheesed off with them because of their behaviour. They wonder around there local estate al day long, bored out of their head. No money, no food during the day.
So, who does look out for them? Who does care about what they get up to in the street? Who loves and gives them affection that all children need?
Nobody, until its too late for them and then we have little monsters on our hands. Some of them only want a hug and some affection but that is understandably not allowed nowadays! confused

:?
Not enough funding and activities for this age group either... majority stopped years ago!
Yet, the 8 - 11 yr old age group is so important... this is the time when bad habits start to form within the family, pier group influence, copying etc... hard for an 8yr old when all their piers are doing much worse and getting away with it?
Yes, its the parents responsiblity, for various reasons they cant cope or dont want to know. Punishing the parent isn't going to help that child tho, is it?
So who is going to give an 8 yr old the care and support they *may* need that they arent getting from home?
What does the future hold for them? dunno

I feel sad saying this, but Ive always spotted the kids at that age who will end up in a youth offenders institution at some point in their lives. An some of these did have parents who care and did all they can for them..
So is it lack of part parenting skills and social envirnoment we live in thats to blame?
I still believe in Community Restoritive Justice, where the offender (under 16) pays back to the community by working that offence off.
In this case, for example... that child saving up to pay for the glass and helping to install a new pane etc. under supervision.
Interesting thread Lost kiss

Nice to see you posting :smile:
xanaisx

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
My eldest is 19 and does'nt even live with me anymore and I still worry if I know he's out, but if my 11 year old pulled that stunt she would be grounded...FOREVER!!!!!!

:shock: You have a 19-year old son? Wow! :twisted:
redface

When was the last time you looked at my profile Mrs Freckles rolleyes

and thank you!!

16 Aug 2007

Quote by Lost
'To date our investigations have failed to identify the offender. Nevertheless, we shall continue to review the matter. In the event of further developements we shall contact you again. If you learn of anything you may consider to be useful in the enquiry please contact us'.

Maybe one of would provide the required proof? ;-)
I have every sympathy with you. We had a little flucker (about 10 y/o) who took it upon himself to single-handedly destroy every car wing mirror in our road. He always did it after dark, with no witnesses, so the police weren't able to do anything. dunno

However, one day he had the audacity to rip my mirror off in the middle of the afternoon, apparently to show his mates how it was done. I wasn't quick enough to grab him, but I did catch up with one of his mates, who immediately denied all knowledge of the little bastard. I let him know - in no uncertain terms - that I wasn't going to get the police involved any longer and I would be taking action myself.... and it would involve some very special 'knee surgery'. For some reason he hasn't been seen in our road for the past two years.
Good luck!

16 Aug 2007

Quote by firelizard
When was the last time you looked at my profile Mrs Freckles and thank you!!

Tsk - best go and have a look then, I suppose :twisted:
The things I have to do :roll: :giggle:

16 Aug 2007

We have similar problems with local little sh*ts, especially during the summer hols when they're bored. Here's one idea - take as good a photo as you can of the aforementioned little sh*t, and print it on posters with text like "Warning - this child has been witnessed breaking windows (and whatever other crimes he's committed) - If you see this child please phone police immediately, or Crimestoppers" and include the relevant telephone numbers. Then, (discreetly) post them through all local shop doors and pubs, paste them on bus-shelters etc - anywhere that they'll be seen. Cause him and his parents as much public embarressment as possible. I agree with you that the parents should be punished, but so should the child - severely, or he will grow up believing he can get away with anything.

17 Aug 2007

Not of course that there are upwards of a dozen eye witnesses and the little sh*t chanting it outside peoples houses. But no the police cant identify the offender.

problem is, how many of those witnesses are prepared to make formal statements and give evidence against this kid, that would stand up in court, given that they would then become targets themselves for the rest of his family? even if they could get him ASBO'd, i dunno exactly what kind of sanctions would be available against an 8 year old, below the age of criminal responsibility, when he breaches it? a crime and punishment approach to little bits of kids who know no better, don't understand the concept of consequences, and have no moral compass ((( and let's not forget, that's exactly what an 8 year old is! ))) is doomed to failure. indeed, it is failing already!
Anais made a very good point! smile

(((

))) like it or not, where parents are failing their kids as role models, pro-social alternatives that foster personal responsibility to the local community need to be in place, and funded properly. however, schools fight with one hand tied behind their back with red tape, youth and community work has always been underfunded, and youth programs designed to help are often abandoned as unworkable thanks to the yobbish minority's efforts to trash and trash again anything decent until the funding dries up, at which point you lose the half-decent kids who now find they have nothing else but local street / youth culture available to them.
it needs to be adequately funded by central government, and local communities, with a real investment of time and energy by local people. sadly, the will is often times simply not there, as it's always someone else's problem, until such time as it affects us directly. the consequences of that approach are plain to see, especially in light of the three horrendous, senseless, casual murders in the news this week. something has to change, before anything can change.
neil x x x ;)

18 Aug 2007

Though I agree with some of the sentiments brought up ny Anais and neil in the main - As for adequately funding. Well ok, i see your point but lets face it if everything that ought to be adequately funded was then we would all be paying out double in taxation with the never ending list of things that need to be adequately funded increasing and so to, the tax burden. Can't see it. (someone may put in - but if you cut the cash on trident ya de ya........... bollox)
Maybe the time though for blaming society and not the kids is here, But i have this little bell ringing in the back of my head that says hmmmmm 8 or not 8 there must be a fundamental knowledge of what is right and wrong. It's not all nurture i'm sure. Lets call little shits little shits sometimes and then bollock em not say awwwwwwww but its the way you live n the way your brought up. There are problems but c'mon lets just go with gut feeling sometimes and not strain for a social reason for it.
Any middle class do gooding social workers with their heads stuck firmly where the sun dont shine wanna add anything - go on you getting a good pension what yougot to lose!

18 Aug 2007

It all starts in the home
Then out on the streets, next thing you know, 15 year olds are giving 10 year olds baseball caps, who then promptly put them on backwards
It's a downward spiral
(Sorry Lost, I couldnt help myself)

18 Aug 2007

Lost? yep, sadly, it does all come down to profit and loss, and balance sheets. such is the way of the world. sad

however, i strongly suspect that a comparison of what it costs us all to do nothing, as opposed to what it would cost us to do something, would be enlightening? no figures on that, and it might cost us all in the short term, to make things better in the long term, but that's my gut instinct on this? ;)
i'm on a shit wage, i can tell you. i can't afford to live on 14 grand a year, but i would gladly, voluntarily, pay a penny in the pound, to a locally taxed scheme, that meant local authorities could afford to pay for youth provision, so long as i was convinced that that 1p or so was ring-fenced, was in any way constructive, and would in any way help to minimise the damage that parental / social / economic / moral neglect causes to children, and by extension, wider society. i'm skint, but even i can live without a week. as it is, i don't pay owt to 'em, which probably makes me a complete hypocrite, but like most people, i'm too busy / knackered to be arsed with positive solutions, unless it's made dead easy for me? ;)
if central / local government put a voluntary scheme in place, to see how much they get out of it, and if it then becomes financially viable to run youth and community programs, all well and good. if it doesn't, tough shit! ;) we in the community then have to live with the consequences of our combined failures to make sure the resources are there, that enable a bit of community spirit.
IMO, it's very much a case of, if we ain't prepared to pay for it, well, on our own heads be it, cos you just can't have a deliberately created and maintained underclass, unless you make proper provision for those who would try to escape it, given a small helping hand.
neil x x x ;)

18 Aug 2007

Quote by essex34m
Then out on the streets, next thing you know, 15 year olds are giving 10 year olds baseball caps, who then promptly put them on backwards
It's a downward spiral

Sorry if I'm being dim - I don't have kids (thank Buddha, God, Shivra, Santa etc) - is the above a bad thing??

18 Aug 2007

Quote by ForestFunsters

Then out on the streets, next thing you know, 15 year olds are giving 10 year olds baseball caps, who then promptly put them on backwards
It's a downward spiral

Sorry if I'm being dim - I don't have kids (thank Buddha, God, Shivra, Santa etc) - is the above a bad thing??
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/185791.html
m xx