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Women's sense of direction. What happened to it?

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Well, for me, this is another one of life's little mysteries. :confused: :confused:
Women are so good at many things and I wouldn't have them any other way, bless 'emsmile wink
But.............................(and here's the rub):
Why are they so feckin' useless when it comes to directions? dunno :undecided:
For example, when you're travelling South, why does she need to turn the road atlas upside down so that your progress on the map follows the direction you're going in? :dunno:
Why can't they read the map the right way up (top of the page is North) so that when you need to make a left turn (ie to the East, remember we're going in a southerly direction), you look for a road on the map, as you're viewing the page, which goes off to the right? Simple, isn't it? You KNOW East is to the right of the page, so when you're travelling South, and you're viewing the map from the South looking North, as it were, you know that a left turn will ostensibly appear to be a right turn! :dunno:
Another thing. Why, when they're so crap at orientating themselves with the map, are they so good at reading the place and street names and road numbers upside down? :shock: :shock:
Has it got something to do with the left and the right sides of the brain? :undecided:
When I used to ask women for directions (I don't any longer) invariably they used to gesture with their left hand when they were talking about "on the right", and vice versa. using the right hand to indicate to the left! :doh:
I don't ask teenagers for directions any longer either, as in my experience, you might as well save your breath. :huh:
One final thought:
Maybe they were designed like this so that it would boost the male ego? :dunno:
Hmmmmmmmmm..................... :sticky:
I know that dee (formerly satin) is an exception to this and is as hopeless as the girls in this respect! lol :lol: :lol:
:grin: :grin: innocent :uhoh:
Eeeeeeeeeeeeek! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Women's sense of direction. What happened to it?
Went that away!! :arrow:
I'll have you know that I am a most useful and proficient map reader ES , I have successfully navigated Kat out of and through all types of terrain, without even so much as a raised voice from eother of us evil
and for once - I am sure that Kat will agree with my every word wink :wink:
Women's Map reading skills has nothing to do with left and right sides of the brain, but I do believe it is somewhat reflective of men's aptitude towards housework :twisted: :twisted: (eat your words ES lol :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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I'll have you know that I am a most useful and proficient map reader ES , I have successfully navigated Kat out of and through all types of terrain, without even so much as a raised voice from eother of us evil
and for once - I am sure that Kat will agree with my every word wink :wink:
Women's Map reading skills has nothing to do with left and right sides of the brain, but I do believe it is somewhat reflective of men's aptitude towards housework :twisted: :twisted: (eat your words ES lol :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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Ooooooooooooooh! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: redface surprisedops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Shall I bend over now to get my smack? :P
'Course, forgot to say that Kitty's an exception! passionkiss
He heeeeeeeeeeeeee :grin: :grin:
LOL...hate to be informed on this but it is apparently to do with the links between left and right brain. Seems according to the pros that women's brains have many more connections between the left and the right side which in fact gives them better potential at communication. However a downside is that it seems to affect their spatial awareness. Though women can have good spatial awareness the genetic tendency is for a males to be better (Note I said tendency not always). Some have argued that this is linked to the males hunting past but that point is not really accepted by anyone who has been chased the a bunch of lioness' from a local pride! Actually know some great female map readers but it is just less likely that women will have picked up map reading as something they enjoy and so got better at. Also explains (with the communication bit) why they are so much keener to ask someone.
In one study it was found that when asked most men actually knew where North was even when in unfamiliar settings (ie they hadn't neen told before which was North) without having to work it out, where as women had to work it out. Someone tried this on me before they told me about this and I was amazed to find that actually I did know even though I would bet money on not having a clue!
Also interestingly women have a wider field of view which than us men. Men tend to have quite a narrow view which is irritating on two fronts. 1. We can be hunting for hours in a cupboard and the woman will just glance at it and see what we were looking for. (Guys if you've lost something it is worth asking women to have a look for you. As we get more stressed, ie where the hell are the car keys?, our field of view actually narrows!!) 2. Women can eye up a person without having to turn their head where as we tend to turn the whole head to improve our field of view thus giving ourselves away and at least earning a poke in the ribs. which also now means when you walk passed an attractive person you'll be wondering if she did eye them but and be irritated as hell that she might have done even though she didn't move her head. But at least that explains why women are so much better at reading the street signs.
There's a couple of good books on this...Men are from mars and women are from venus and Why Men don't Listen and Women can't Read Maps.
Recently read on the bbc news web site that SATNAV systems are improving family holidays as more familys go out to new places with SATNAV because they don't end up having a steaming row when lost!!
Ok this is the point where I realise I'm going on too much....just love all this psychology stuff!
Too late for that ES, so bend over now smackbottom :smackbottom: :smackbottom:
and if you are making exceptions for Kitty - where the bloomin hell are mine :kick: :kick: :kick:
So poke .........how do you explain a woman navigating you around your run on friday (which ever way the map was up!! :shock: ) so that you finished about an hour earlier that you would have done, had you had to work out your routes yourself dunno :huh: and without one wrong turn!??
RED CARD!!!! Mr Slut rolleyes :roll:

smackbottom :smackbottom:
i am absolutely crap at directions sad but brill at driving and riding rotflmao :rotflmao:
I...................er...................... dunno
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I know some of you are ok at it, but I'm talking as a general rule and from past experience! :grin: :grin:
Am I off the hook now? worship
Ouch! Yip, yip.................. bolt
Women's sense of direction got lost when they were handing it out. Last seen going up the M1.
It's all about evolution (I know, again rolleyes ) and how our brains are wired, as someone's undoubtedly said before, but I'm gonna repeat anyway.
Women's brains are programmed for close observations such as immediate surroundings or facial expressions, hence why women always ask "What's wrong?" or "Are you ok?" when you're fine. Men's brains are wired for spatial awareness and navigation, hence why we can navigate by landmarks and can read things back to front, backwards or even upside down.
Jez is spot on , I read a facinating article about it in The Mail , basically ( although like anything its a generalisation) the parts of the brain that relate to spatial awareness ( direction , space and our position relative to other objects) are genetically more likely to be better developed in men than in women . Effectively this means that women find it more difficult to visualise abstract representations of direction and space ( ie maps) for example when travelling along a road which runs from top of the page to the bottom they get confused when visualising turning left , as on the page it appears to be turning right ( thats why they turn the AtoZ upside down sometimes. )
Its not a sexist remark , its just how it is , and one of the glorious things that make the sexes different and so mutually attractive .
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Women's sense of direction got lost when they were handing it out. Last seen going up the M1.
It's all about evolution (I know, again rolleyes ) and how our brains are wired, as someone's undoubtedly said before, but I'm gonna repeat anyway.
Women's brains are programmed for close observations such as immediate surroundings or facial expressions, hence why women always ask "What's wrong?" or "Are you ok?" when you're fine. Men's brains are wired for spatial awareness and navigation, hence why we can navigate by landmarks and can read things back to front, backwards or even upside down.

and yet they can always find a shoe shop :shock:
Generalisations, generalisations......
I have had some real trouble with girls trying to read a map in a car, BUT what about Ellen McArthur who got herself round the world single handed on a boat or the many other women who are pilots or senior officers in the merchant navy?
Met the Australian Captain of an LNG tanker in Singapopre last year in the shipyard and SHE was very nice!!!
McC
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Generalisations, generalisations......
I have had some real trouble with girls trying to read a map in a car, BUT what about Ellen McArthur who got herself round the world single handed on a boat or the many other women who are pilots or senior officers in the merchant navy?
Met the Australian Captain of an LNG tanker in Singapopre last year in the shipyard and SHE was very nice!!!
McC

Ah yes, but they all had sat nav and all sorts of gadgets and gizmos. Don't know of any famous female explorers lol
This has recently entered Rogers Profanisaurus:
Twat Nav n Motoring terminology; the wife with a road atlas
Not my personal opinion, be if it's in such a distinguished publication theres got to be some truth behind it wink
Dewi:
I thought EVERYONE had sat nav in their cars these days - but maybe I am wrong!
Female explorers? Hmm will have to think - hold on though what about Amelia Erharht the female pilot in the 1930s or Shiela Scott (?) first woman to fly around the world in the 1960s?
Apart from that though I am strugling I must admit!
McC
Its all about " selective abilities" Cloggie . Women cant read maps like men cant iron wink
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In one study it was found that when asked most men actually knew where North was

That's easy. Get on a busy road and look at what people are wearing. The people with the most clothes on are heading south cos it's cold where they've come from.
Maybe. biggrin
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Dewi:
I thought EVERYONE had sat nav in their cars these days - but maybe I am wrong!
Female explorers? Hmm will have to think - hold on though what about Amelia Erharht the female pilot in the 1930s or Shiela Scott (?) first woman to fly around the world in the 1960s?
Apart from that though I am strugling I must admit!
McC

Just to be pedantic, neither were really explorers as they were already going places that others knew about, or the majority knew about.
Although it might be a bit unfair as before everywhere'd been explored on land, women were still in the kitchen doing what they do best biggrin :D :uhoh: innocent bolt
Lets not be unfair to the girls . After all their vision when driving is often impaired , a scientific study at CalTech in the states showed that most women see the road similar to the picture below.
Eagerslut
You should be grateful, I have a good sense of direction even without my GPS, or you wouldn't have got any beer a few months back lol :P
Also the one that needed picking up from a trucker stop, for a shower stop in the snow, back in Jan and a munch, should also be grateful. :twisted:
Although someone has been known to argue with the 'Jane' the female voice of my GPS, when he thinks she is sending us in the wrong direction, but we always get within a few feet of where we should be!
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Lets not be unfair to the girls . After all their vision when driving is often impaired , a scientific study at CalTech in the states showed that most women see the road similar to the picture below.

Yip, that's the sort of sign posting needed for me.
I don't drive at the moment so I have a driver and he twists and turns the A-Z around in his lap in the direction we are going. So, not only the girlies do that!
And at least us stupid woman have the good sense to stop and ask for directions if we're lost. What part of the brain is responsible I wonder? lol
As for the perephrehial vision thing, bull! You blokes just have to catch sight of a short skirt out the corner of your eye and your head's spinning around so damn fast you're giving yourself whip-lash!
Maybe us women do this just to annoy men. :twisted: :twisted:
Or have you forgotten that we can always find expensive clothes shops when a man is paying.................. :evil2:
We have to have our fun as well........ so don't underestimate a womans sense of direction........it comes down to choice!!! :crazy: :silly: :grin:
I can iron fairly well. And here's my tips...........
Take most garments and trun them inside out.
You can see the stitching and you can flatten it all out, more or less as good as the day it was made. Depending on the quality of the garment and its design. French stitches like you get in shirts and bespoke clothing don't really work with this technique.
Then iron out the garment from the seams and it all flattens out very nicely.
That will do most of the garment excluding, pleatings and attachmnents. Overlocked clothes work very well as do most knitted garments.
So there you have it. Inside out first then finish with the fiddly bits.
I think I have a good sense of direction.............. I know my head is north and my toes are south !!!
The one with the watch is left or west and the one with the bracelet is right or east !!!
And I can always manage to find the designer dress outlet !!!! everytime
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Jez is spot on , I read a facinating article about it in The Mail , basically ( although like anything its a generalisation) the parts of the brain that relate to spatial awareness ( direction , space and our position relative to other objects) are genetically more likely to be better developed in men than in women . Effectively this means that women find it more difficult to visualise abstract representations of direction and space ( ie maps) for example when travelling along a road which runs from top of the page to the bottom they get confused when visualising turning left , as on the page it appears to be turning right ( thats why they turn the AtoZ upside down sometimes. )
Its not a sexist remark , its just how it is , and one of the glorious things that make the sexes different and so mutually attractive .

The left/right brain activity is only part of the story...
the story begins in the 1000's of years when the human race was either hunter (going off on long journeys) or gatherer (rummaging around for nuts and berries).
I would expand on this - but to be honest I just can't be arsed with all that typing today. I have had my nails cut and it has thrown my keyboard navigation right off track rolleyes
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Why can't they read the map the right way up (top of the page is North) so that when you need to make a left turn (ie to the East, remember we're going in a southerly direction), you look for a road on the map, as you're viewing the page, which goes off to the right? Simple, isn't it? You KNOW East is to the right of the page, so when you're travelling South, and you're viewing the map from the South looking North, as it were, you know that a left turn will ostensibly appear to be a right turn! dunno

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Nope, I can't do directions AT ALL :shock:
I can get lost in a car park, large shop or even turning the wrong way when coming out of a small restaurant........... bolt
As for actually let loose on the roads..............don't even go there !! lol
Fee
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Why can't they read the map the right way up (top of the page is North) so that when you need to make a left turn (ie to the East, remember we're going in a southerly direction), you look for a road on the map, as you're viewing the page, which goes off to the right? Simple, isn't it? You KNOW East is to the right of the page, so when you're travelling South, and you're viewing the map from the South looking North, as it were, you know that a left turn will ostensibly appear to be a right turn! dunno

erm have to say here as a bloke who went through both scouts and militry map reading ... you do need to turn the map coz it should allways face north:P the north arrows there for a reason ...to show u which way to point the map .. so tho it may look annoying and is a bit of a pain to turn it ..the ppl who turn it are reading it right , just coz leaving the map facing one way so we can read the road names is easier doesnt mean its right
matthew
Jez_Notts is right.
It all originates from our beginigs. Men had to provide they food so they are better in hearing and seeing long distance but can only focus on one thing at the tiem (not that thing you fools, I mean hunting)
Women hat to protect the immediate surroundings, that is (and we men have probably alwyas wondered about this) because they hear everything in their near surroundings even if it is 5 conversations at once, which we men can not do. They also see everything going on in the immediate surroundings. That is why we men get caught out so often.
The essence is that women do not need the sense of long distance navigation to survive but we men do.