Would You.....

16 Jun 2007

would you pay money to attend an event? :idea:
I'm interested to see people's oppinions on this...so...i'll explain what I mean (now's your chance to go get a cuppa) biggrin

I'm not saying this is accross the board, but there does appear to be a shift toward privately organised 'doos' (be that social events or parties - I'm not talking about Munches really, although they're still relevant to this discussion) where we're moving away from the pub-function-room-and-voluntary-contribution/ couple-of-quid door-charge to dividing the hire charge of a new venue between guests in order to attend something 'different'
possible examples of what I mean:
an organiser hiring an entire swingers club for the evening for private use of their guests
an organiser booking 20 places at an event, for which guests pay for the tickets
a private house party event
hiring a limo to ferry guests to and from the event and each guest contributes toward the cost
hiring a venue generally, be that club, pub, campsite, hotel, resaurant, party bus, boat, coach to go somewhere on, the list is endless....where the organiser pays out for the booking and those attending pay an equal share of this.
etc etc
I guess what I mean is, additional costings over and above the usual travel/ hotel and entrance costs.
What would you pay for...and how much? - and in all cases I mean where the amount you pay is not for profit, but to share the costs of the event itself between those attending.
would you trust an organiser of such an event with your cash upfront? would you accept the risk of losing your money if you couldnt attend?
and, if you have any oppinion on 'for profit' events such as exclusive swingers parties (Fever, Belle Baise etc) where you know in advance that the organiser is making a profit on your ticket price...feel free to post lol

would you? dunno

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Darkfire
an organiser hiring an entire swingers club for the evening for private use of their guests

Possibly, but it would depend on who else was going.
an organiser booking 20 places at an event, for which guests pay for the tickets
Yes if it was an event I/we would be interested in.
a private house party event
Yes, again dependent on the guest list though.
hiring a limo to ferry guests to and from the event and each guest contributes toward the cost
Probably not.
hiring a venue generally, be that club, pub, campsite, hotel, resaurant, party bus, boat, coach to go somewhere on, the list is endless....where the organiser pays out for the booking and those attending pay an equal share of this.
Yes.
etc etc
I guess what I mean is, additional costings over and above the usual travel/ hotel and entrance costs.
What would you pay for...and how much? - and in all cases I mean where the amount you pay is not for profit, but to share the costs of the event itself between those attending.
I think it would really depend on the type of event; each one would have to be considered independently - I wouldn't say I'd pay X amount of money for any 'thing'.
would you trust an organiser of such an event with your cash upfront? would you accept the risk of losing your money if you couldnt attend?
I'd trust some people, yes. I think you'd have to look at their history and what else they've organised and assess each person's trustworthiness based on that.
There's always a risk of losing your money but you'd have to weigh up each event wouldn't you, taking into account: the actual amount; who's organising; what factors would risk in cancellation/loss of money.

16 Jun 2007

God, why do i make things so complicated lol

Ok, let's say.....someone hires a swingers club for a few hours of our exclusive use, the cost per person is more than what it would cost to go on a 'normal' open night....but you're effectively paying to be there for this particular event and the exclusivity of the venue....
would you?

16 Jun 2007

yep,
but sadely i probally couldnt attend as there are no swinging clubs in cornwall. but with enough notice and cash id try and get to a event out of county.
sounds like a excellent idea.
xx femxx

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Darkfire
God, why do i make things so complicated
Ok, let's say.....someone hires a swingers club for a few hours of our exclusive use, the cost per person is more than what it would cost to go on a 'normal' open night....but you're effectively paying to be there for this particular event and the exclusivity of the venue....
would you?

More than likely yes smile

16 Jun 2007

Yes, we would and have done.
You are paying for the exclusivity for just the few of you.
We hired a yacht once which would take 8, but paid for all 8 places just for ourselves, again to have the exclusivity.
We dont feel there is anything wrong in paying for venues, parties etc. and if someone makes a profit well good luck to them as it means its more than likely to be held again!

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Devon_desires
We dont feel there is anything wrong in paying for venues, parties etc. and if someone makes a profit well good luck to them as it means its more than likely to be held again!

As long as it is not the organiser who is making the profit otherwise it would be against the site AUP for any member to organise something on here for profit.
DF, I wont go through all your post as mine would say exactly the same thing as FB has said. The main thing for me would be who was organising the event and that would help me make my decision.
If it was a new member, then I would not want to take the risk, it if was a member who had organised events previously, then I would feel much more comfortable.
However, my PERSONAL opinion is that I dont like the idea of having to pay for events. I feel it is discriminating against members who may not have the spare cash for these things, and therefore, prefer the 'voluntary donation' type event. I know there is always the risk that the organiser could be a bit out of pocket, but that is the risk you take when you organise anything.

16 Jun 2007

I just wanted to say that of course 'for profit' parties etc go on....but, you wouldnt find them advertised on the site in LMU etc - and in that itself I see a risk.
There are no site 'sanctions' etc to help if it goes tits up, no public explanation or investigation over costings etc...on on your own head be it kinda thing.
Me personally I dont like the 'for profit' thing. I dont think anyone should make a profit from their activities or friendships here as a result of inviting them to stuff. (little debate in my head says 'but dont we do that each time we pay to get in a club anyway ???) Contributing to actual costs though, I think is different. dunno

16 Jun 2007

Fully agree with the contributing to costs, and I dont think any organiser should be out of pocket, but sometimes, I wish we could get back to the old way of doing socials, where the outlay was less and it allowed more people to attend for minimal outlay. What with hotels and traveling, it can work out expensive, and then you always have to buy something new to wear lol

16 Jun 2007

If it was something "out of the ordinary" such as hiring a yacht (wow), then would have no problem with splitting the cost.
For a social type meet, we'd expect the costs to be kept to a minimum, but enough so that the organiser does not lose money, ie by all means have a disco, but don't need Fat Boy Slim to do it!
Hiring a swingers club? Would have thought that a group going to a big club like Xtasia could stick by themselves rather than hiring the whole place. Some of the small clubs would probably hire you the place for less than normal entrance fees if the group was big enough.
John & Shel

16 Jun 2007

Good post. I think FB,NWC,DF,DD,F4T,RSPCA,DVLC,PS & RSVP lol

All have good points that i could only reiterate. I wont though (it spares the pain of reading me smile

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Variety as they say....! as long as it's as many people having as much fun as they can at no others expense. Then that's got to be cool.
I personally dislike like the idea of exclusivity (though i have been guilty of it) as In the end its just a form of people dividision, though I understand why it happens.
We may be on this mortal coil but once........may as well live it! biggrin

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
If it was something "out of the ordinary" such as hiring a yacht (wow), then would have no problem with splitting the cost.

I remember quite a while ago, someone was going to hire a yacht/ small cruise ship type boaty thing, and although I cant remember the actual costs, it was something like £3000?? (i'll go find the thread in a minute a look lol

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ok, been to check and i think we can safely omit this example from this discussion - redface

. This is not the type of event/ costs I'm talking about at all...total cost was £33 grand for a holiday party of 11 people, before flights etc etc etc :shock:
but, a yatch is a good example of what I'm talking about :thumbup:

16 Jun 2007

If it was an 'event' then I would have no problems with paying for it. For instance, a bowling night, or a medieval banquet which loads of us went on a couple of years ago. If it's an event that you would pay for anyway, then yeh, I think it's fun when people organise it and I can go along.
I do have problems tho, when people start organising what they call events, charge about a tenner per person and all it is is going to a pub function room with a buffet layed on confused

If I'm going to a social, I don't go to eat, otherwise I would be more inclined to go to a restaurant social. I don't want to have to pay for food I'm not going to eat. Personally I would've thought it far easier to just cut out the expense bit and arrange a social in a pub so people can meet others, have a couple of drinks and a laugh - just as much fun even without the trouble of a buffet, which lets face it, people won't suddenly pull out of cos there's no buffet layed on :?
To pay more to have the exclusive use of a swinging club for a few hours - nope, I wouldn't go. I would rather pay the normal price and just arrange to meet people there. Not because of a price issue, more a principle one. It feels to me that for the exclusive use thing you're being taken advantage of :? I would be just as happy with other club members there alongside an SH meet biggrin

Socials that are organised as charity events, another no from me I'm afraid :? I do give to charity, as and when I can afford it - and I give it more than willingly. But I don't want to be told I have to donate to a certain charity to be able to attend a social event, possibly a charity, that for my own reasons, I begrudge donating to.

16 Jun 2007

the answer to this one comes down to who was organising such events...and who i believe will see the event through to the end!

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
the answer to this one comes down to who was organising such events...and who i believe will see the event through to the end!

Without making changes?

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
the answer to this one comes down to who was organising such events...and who i believe will see the event through to the end!

Without making changes?
or starting another one for the same day without dealing with the original first!

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
the answer to this one comes down to who was organising such events...and who i believe will see the event through to the end!

Without making changes?
or starting another one for the same day without dealing with the original first!
A point being made somewhere here i would hazard a guess :!: confused

:?:

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Lost
A point being made somewhere here i would hazard a guess :!: :?:

A point being made here that belongs elsewhere I would hazard a guess.

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Lost
A point being made somewhere here i would hazard a guess :!: :?:

Yes, mainly about knowing that some people are better at organising than others.

16 Jun 2007

Quote by northwest-cpl
A point being made somewhere here i would hazard a guess :!: :?:

A point being made here that belongs elsewhere I would hazard a guess.
if that is the case then shouldn't that point not be made where it belongs (i have no idea and to be perfectly honest i'd rather not know....) :? :? :?
anyway.... I was going to make the same point as missy who put it a mile better than I ever could....
me personally, I wouldn't want anyone to be out of pocket for something they organised for my benefit....
but this is where I am going to sound like a hypocrite though smile

When I organised events and there were overheads I was more than happy enough to cover them as I treated it for example the same way I would to any other type of party (for example a birthday) I wouldn't ask people to make a payment to them, so why would I for a bunch of people of which a lot I would call friends..... after all they have spent enough money already and we know that crossing the country going to events costs... and the totals do add up...
which is why I was happy for any collection anyone decided to have, for that money to go to charity
I think for me it is a profit issue..... If I got the feeling people were making money would I go near it... hell no!!!

16 Jun 2007

As said before we would and have done..
One that springs to mind is where we hired a narrow boat for a weekend 8 of us having fun in a tight space was worth every penny hump

If its all shared between the group and all are as happy then why not.. Makes sense though we have done the odd do ourselves and footed the cost as such too but then we get invited to others with no cost so its all swings and roundabouts lol...
Mike xxx

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Missy
To pay more to have the exclusive use of a swinging club for a few hours - nope, I wouldn't go. I would rather pay the normal price and just arrange to meet people there. Not because of a price issue, more a principle one. It feels to me that for the exclusive use thing you're being taken advantage of I would be just as happy with other club members there alongside an SH meet

Missy I agree on your points about buffets and charity to be honest, but then I guess we make the choice whether to attend such functions anyway :thumbup: ...but I'm not sure I understand what you mean in the bit about 'being taken advantage of' above?...and its particularly poeple's thoughts like yours that I'm interested in ..so, can you expand on that?

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Darkfire
God, why do i make things so complicated
Ok, let's say.....someone hires a swingers club for a few hours of our exclusive use, the cost per person is more than what it would cost to go on a 'normal' open night....but you're effectively paying to be there for this particular event and the exclusivity of the venue....
would you?

yep, don't have a problem with it at all. if the club disbars it's usual, regular members so we can organise a 'social' ((( for want of a better word ))) exclusively for members here who generally know eachother in some way, i really don't have a problem with it, and would gladly pay, even if it is over and above the usual entrance fee. if it was something i was actually interested in attending that is? you're offsetting the loss to the owners, so we can have free run of the place. we can't hardly expect summat for nowt? ;)
i don't have a problem with shared costs so long as it offers members something they might not otherwise have had the option of attending. it's when people advertise events where they clearly have an interest in the profit margin where it get's very murky? that is an absolute no-no IMO.
neil x x x ;)

16 Jun 2007

We'd be happy to pay to attend something like fever or belle baise, because of the kind of night they are advertising, and I think in that case, you get what you pay for.
I'd also be happy to pay for a club to have exclusive use, so I could be comfortable with the people there, and know I would fancy them...
If someone was to organise something through here to make a profit (on the sly obviously seeing as it's not allowed) then I definately wouldn't go- thats the sort of thing they should have their own website and advertising for, they shouldn't be able to do it the lazy way!
As for socials etc and entry fee, buffet etc, I'm not so keen on the idea of the whole event being a bit 'phoenix nights', at the first mention of buffet and dj, all i can think of is peter kay saying 'garlic bread, chicken kiev' and the guy on his keyboard thing! Not my idea of a good night I'm afraid!
M xx

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Freckledbird

A point being made somewhere here i would hazard a guess :!: :?:

Yes, mainly about knowing that some people are better at organising than others.
well the threads here....so can't see why it shouldn't be answered here.

16 Jun 2007

Mr Powers, put your wooden spoon away luv :thumbup:

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Darkfire
Mr Powers, put your wooden spoon away luv :thumbup:

if i must! rolleyes

16 Jun 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
Mr Powers, put your wooden spoon away luv :thumbup:

if i must! rolleyes

Twice in one night eh?

16 Jun 2007

Quote by the_Laird
Mr Powers, put your wooden spoon away luv :thumbup:

if i must! rolleyes

Twice in one night eh?
Looks like your stalking him as well :roll:

16 Jun 2007

The question was : would you be happy to pay for exclusive venue use/ contributory costs toward venue hire if it meant experiencing something different but non-profit making? ...or is the traditional function room and couple of quid door charge sufficient for your needs?
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